Discussion Mihawk's Power Level

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Yes, it can be highly important. But since Oda himself stated that it did not decrease Shanks' power even the slightest is proof enough for me. He is just as strong as he would have been with both arms.
he didnt become weaker, but theres no way losing ur dominant arm wouldnt affect a persons growth.
Its like if sanji would lose a leg at the beginning of his training, he would still be stronger then he was pre-time skip, but he'd be stronger if he didnt lose it.
 

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you can't compare losing an arm to losing a leg, though. If Sanji lost his leg, he'd weak because he can't move or fight. If he lost an arm, he'd still get stronger, but not as strong as he could become, probably. If anyone loses a leg, he loses tons of power. Just look at Zeff, and how he couldn't fight much against Krieg and his pirates. If Luffy or Zoro lost an arm, they can still fight and compensate for that, but not if they lose a leg.
 

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Let's look at four factors:

1. Admirals acknowledged his strength during the war.
2. Fought Shanks numerous times in the past.
3. Wrecked Jinbe.
4. Fought evenly against Vista.

Taking those four factors into consideration, I'll say Mihawk is more or less stronger than a marine admiral. Also, someone powerful enough to challenge a Yonko. That's it.
 

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you can't compare losing an arm to losing a leg, though. If Sanji lost his leg, he'd weak because he can't move or fight. If he lost an arm, he'd still get stronger, but not as strong as he could become, probably. If anyone loses a leg, he loses tons of power. Just look at Zeff, and how he couldn't fight much against Krieg and his pirates. If Luffy or Zoro lost an arm, they can still fight and compensate for that, but not if they lose a leg.
I don't know, Aokiji seems to be doing just fine without his leg. Zeff is an interesting case. Losing a leg didn't weaken him, losing his crew did. He was the first example of someone who lost his dream and ambition because of his crew's death. We eventually saw the same situation with Moriah, a man who had all his limbs intact. I'd say a lot of it has to deal with ambition and making sure you don't take any or can endure losses on the sea.
 

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I don't know, Aokiji seems to be doing just fine without his leg. Zeff is an interesting case. Losing a leg didn't weaken him, losing his crew did. He was the first example of someone who lost his dream and ambition because of his crew's death. We eventually saw the same situation with Moriah, a man who had all his limbs intact. I'd say a lot of it has to deal with ambition and making sure you don't take any or can endure losses on the sea.
Gin was able to get the drop on Zeff only because of the latters wooden leg. If he had two healthy legs, Gin would not have been much of a threat to him (yes, I can agree that it's a little assumptive but I stand by it). Zeff didn't lose his strength when he lost his crew, he just lost his reason to sail the seas. Because he felt that without his comrades, it would have been for naught.

Kuzan is able to handle his handicap so well because of his ingenuity and Devil fruit. He's made an ice prosthesis that works just like a regular leg would.

Moriah however is a whole other story. He was so psychologically damaged by the utter defeat and slaughter of his crew by the hands of Kaido. He started using his Devil fruit to make zombies because he was so afraid of losing his comrades all over again, he wanted an army of zombies that didn't feel pain.

But I agree to a certain degree with your last statement. A lot of people's psyches have been crushed by defeat and loss.
 

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Kuzan can also create feet from ice... Shanks is powered by ambition and his hope in Luffy, but is that enough to reach the potential he had with two hands?
 

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I don't understand why people latch on to Mihawk's "World's Strongest Swordsman" title so voraciously, but ignore Shanks "title" as a Yonkou. No one calls him that out of pity. If having one arm prevented Shanks from being strong, then it would have prevented him from being a Yonkou. He's silly strong. Sengoku-scared-to-fight-him strong. If you want to put Mihawk on the same level as Shanks, do so knowing you're also putting Mihawk on the same level as Whitebeard, Kaidou, and Big Mom.

3. Wrecked Jinbe.
Not a huge deal, but do note that Mihawk vs. Jinbei was anime-only filler.
 
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I very much doubt that the title of the strongest Swordsman would be handed to Mihawk if he didn't deserve it. Let alone him keeping it. He doesn't strike me as a fraud. However, I do consider the dilemma between him and Shanks like this:
Although he and Shanks still are on comparable levels, the title of the strongest remains with Mihawk for two reasons: First Shanks has no interest in fighting him or claiming the title (which I doubt would be a pure formality anyhow). Second, as Mihawk stated, he has no interest in fighting Shanks now that hes crippled. Even though it didn't handicap him strength-wise, its possible that Mihawk still would see it as an insult to his honor to fight a one-armed man. Possibly Shanks just accepts that, too.
 

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Gin was able to get the drop on Zeff only because of the latters wooden leg. If he had two healthy legs, Gin would not have been much of a threat to him (yes, I can agree that it's a little assumptive but I stand by it). Zeff didn't lose his strength when he lost his crew, he just lost his reason to sail the seas. Because he felt that without his comrades, it would have been for naught.
I personally believe he did lose strength, or at least the drive to keep growing in strength, when his crew died. To me it appears that he let his skills rust and he didn't continue to develop them despite his handicap, unlike Shanks who didn't let his loss of an arm deter his dreams of sailing the seas(it helps that his crew didn't die as well). Instead, he spent his time focusing on building and running the Baratie and only passing his technique to Sanji.

Had things turned out differently and Zeff loss his leg, but managed to keep his crew, I could see him simply finding a stronger material to replace his lost leg with so that his kicking strength wouldn't be halved.


Kuzan is able to handle his handicap so well because of his ingenuity and Devil fruit. He's made an ice prosthesis that works just like a regular leg would.
Zeff did as well though(granted one of poor quality), but his functions as a regular leg too. MJ3 mentioned that anyone who loses a leg, losses a ton of power, and I mentioned Aokiji as someone who lost a leg and kept his power. You can throw Shiki in that category as well.

Moriah however is a whole other story. He was so psychologically damaged by the utter defeat and slaughter of his crew by the hands of Kaido. He started using his Devil fruit to make zombies because he was so afraid of losing his comrades all over again, he wanted an army of zombies that didn't feel pain.
I used him as an example because it shows that a pirate losing his crew does have an effect on his psyche and that can extend to his strength. We saw the same thing happen to Luffy, although he was able to realize that his crew was alive and well, unlike Moriah, until he lost Ace, where, again, he realized he still had things to live for(his crew). Moriah switched his goal up and stopped focusing on his own power, instead relying on others.

Shanks still has things to do and reasons to live for. His crew and Luffy are alive and well and he is aiming to be the Pirate King(possibly). Zeff lost his crew, his ship, and his dream to find the All Blue himself. Shanks continued to grow. Zeff didn't.

Kuzan can also create feet from ice... Shanks is powered by ambition and his hope in Luffy, but is that enough to reach the potential he had with two hands?
I don't see why not. Just because one path is closed, doesn't mean all paths are closed. Would he have to work harder? Most definitely, but it can be done. Especially with his ambition being as high as it is.

Long story, short...losing a limb in One Piece doesn't appear to mean squat when it comes to certain folk, so Shanks can still potentially go toe to toe with Mihawk when it comes to sword technique.

Even though it didn't handicap him strength-wise, its possible that Mihawk still would see it as an insult to his honor to fight a one-armed man. Possibly Shanks just accepts that, too.
 
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Not a huge deal, but do note that Mihawk vs. Jinbei was anime-only filler.
True, but I don't think it takes too much away from my main points. Anyway, thanks for pointing that out.
 

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Sure shanks can still go toe to toe with mihawk in combat, but he wont win though.
 

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I don't know, Aokiji seems to be doing just fine without his leg. Zeff is an interesting case. Losing a leg didn't weaken him, losing his crew did. He was the first example of someone who lost his dream and ambition because of his crew's death. We eventually saw the same situation with Moriah, a man who had all his limbs intact. I'd say a lot of it has to deal with ambition and making sure you don't take any or can endure losses on the sea.
Aokiji was able to replace his leg by using an ice leg, which seems to act just like a real leg. But we don't know just how fine he's doing, all we saw was that he stopped Doflamingo from killing Smoker. Being a logia devil fruit user would help Aokiji here. If Shanks is a logia, then that might explain why he's a Yonkou despite not having an arm. However, Zeff being substantially weaker wasn't due to losing his crewmates, it was due to losing his leg. So yeah, can't compare losing a leg to losing an arm, because legs provide support. Without one, you won't have the same power as you did before. with arms though, it can be different as you can train and use one arm to fight.

We don't know how powerful Shanks was before he lost his arm... I don't think we even know whether he was established yet or not. If he was stronger back then than he is now, in terms of fighting, then that would put Mihawk at Yonkou level.

As for why he's not opposing a Yonkou or Marine if he truly is that strong... the only reason why the Yonkou, shichibukai, and the Marines aren't trying to wipe each other out is because they'd suffer losses due to the size of the crews. I doubt even Mihawk can take on an entire crew of a Yonkou by himself.
I don't understand why people latch on to Mihawk's "World's Strongest Swordsman" title so voraciously, but ignore Shanks "title" as a Yonkou. No one calls him that out of pity. If having one arm prevented Shanks from being strong, then it would have prevented him from being a Yonkou. He's silly strong. Sengoku-scared-to-fight-him strong. If you want to put Mihawk on the same level as Shanks, do so knowing you're also putting Mihawk on the same level as Whitebeard, Kaidou, and Big Mom.


Not a huge deal, but do note that Mihawk vs. Jinbei was anime-only filler.
I don't th ink Sengoku was scared to fight him, he just wanted to avoid any more losses. While Sengoku could have taken on Shanks, Shanks's crew would be too powerful for most Marines to beat, especially given how damaged and exhausted they were. Sengoku just made a wise decision, unlike Akainu.

I don't see what's wrong with putting Mihawk on the same level as Kaidou and Big Mom, given we dont' know how strong they are. We just know they're stronger than any opponent we've seen so far, given the status.
 

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Aokiji was able to replace his leg by using an ice leg, which seems to act just like a real leg. But we don't know just how fine he's doing, all we saw was that he stopped Doflamingo from killing Smoker. Being a logia devil fruit user would help Aokiji here. If Shanks is a logia, then that might explain why he's a Yonkou despite not having an arm. However, Zeff being substantially weaker wasn't due to losing his crewmates, it was due to losing his leg. So yeah, can't compare losing a leg to losing an arm, because legs provide support. Without one, you won't have the same power as you did before. with arms though, it can be different as you can train and use one arm to fight.

We don't know how powerful Shanks was before he lost his arm... I don't think we even know whether he was established yet or not. If he was stronger back then than he is now, in terms of fighting, then that would put Mihawk at Yonkou level.
There is no difference in function between Zeff and Aokiji's prosthesis though. Both act as support in place of their missing limb. Aokiji's is just more detailed. He still doesn't have muscles, joints, etc. that allows it to function like a leg. And Aokiji still has the muscles in the rest of his body. He should still be a physical monster. Losing one leg isn't going to make those muscles suffer, unless he just gave up and let those muscles atrophy. Zeff on the other hand gave up being a pirate because of his lost crew and probably hadn't fought in years. Again, had he not gave up, he would have been able to create a peg leg out of stronger material and keep trucking. Maybe even get a cybernetic leg sometime down the line. On that note, we should probably move this discussion elsewhere or just let it be since it's not really about Mihawk anymore.

As for Shanks and Mihawk, I think they were established well before that, seeing as how Whitebeard kept tabs on them on their duel. I'm sure he is stronger now than he was back then. He wasn't even in his prime at that time.

As for Mihawk not challenging Yonkou or Marines? Why should he? They leave him alone and he leaves them alone. No real reason to get in each others hair if we're minding our own business. Mihawk always struck me as neutral for the most part. Don't start none, won't be none.
 

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Being an ice-man he likely will be able to use his feet like normal feet too, he will just have to stay in that ice form. It's also as hard as any of his ice attacks, so no, it's definitely not the same as Zeff.
 

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There is no difference in function between Zeff and Aokiji's prosthesis though. Both act as support in place of their missing limb. Aokiji's is just more detailed. He still doesn't have muscles, joints, etc. that allows it to function like a leg.
In all fairness, Crocodile made sand into things the functioned how he wanted them too without much effort.
So did other Logias like Ace and Monet.
I think Aokiji can effortlessly make a foot that is efficient for running around quickly in.

Not the same as Zeff who has a peg leg. Whereas Aokiji's leg can do anything a human leg can with his Logia capabilities.
 

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You guys are killin' me, lol.

My point is, I don't believe losing a leg doesn't mean one loses power, as M3J had posted earlier. I know Aokiji has a foot for his ice prosthesis. I know that the quality and durability of his prosthesis is higher than that of Zeff's. When I was comparing the two, I meant that there is no difference in the main function of their prosthetics, which is to support their body. I know Aokiji's "leg" would work a lot better in battle than Zeff's, it just doesn't have the ability to completely control certain parts of it, like ankles, toes, calf muscles, etc (as far as I know). I'm just talking about support. Although, Zeff has shown the ability to jump (rather high) with it and is still strong enough to generate enough power to douse flames and stop attacks in mid air.
 
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Its simple for me

Mihawk is the worlds most powerfull swordsman, stated by oda himself, the writer of this manga.
Shanks is a swordsman, since he doesnt have the title, therefor loses by default in a 1 on 1 match, when both go all out.

Since whitebeards death, he might very well be the strongest person in OP currently.
 

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You seem to forget Blackbeard and his growth during the timeskip.
 

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Since whitebeards death, he might very well be the strongest person in OP currently.
You've gotta chill out.
You're reasoning was fine until now.

I'll tell you this now, due to the way the storyline has been written, there isn't a chance in hell Mihawk is strongest in the series.
Mihawk is Yonkou level. Sure.
We don't know the strength of all the other Yonkou's.
We don't know the strength of the Gorosei. We don't know the strength of Dragon. We don't know the strength of Kong.

I'm pretty confident he isn't the strongest in OP currently.
WB never even broke a single sweat on the thought of him.
Nobody referenced Mihawk being 2nd strongest in that war.
 

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You've gotta chill out.
You're reasoning was fine until now.

I'll tell you this now, due to the way the storyline has been written, there isn't a chance in hell Mihawk is strongest in the series.
Mihawk is Yonkou level. Sure.
We don't know the strength of all the other Yonkou's.
We don't know the strength of the Gorosei. We don't know the strength of Dragon. We don't know the strength of Kong.

I'm pretty confident he isn't the strongest in OP currently.
WB never even broke a single sweat on the thought of him.
Nobody referenced Mihawk being 2nd strongest in that war.
Mihawk wasnt even sure if WB was actually stronger then he was.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-22774-12/one-piece/chapter-553.html
 
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