Discussion Mihawk's Power Level

[kkck]

Thing is, dehydrating him would mean " touching " him. If you just touch him, you're dead.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but say that he stretched his hand by turning it to sand, if you threw a liquid at that hand, would it turn normal ?
Or let's say for example Crocodile turns into sand or partially, someone throw a liquid at him, he will turn to his normal self right ?

In the case of Mihawk, he has long range attacks, and also, even in close range, it's his sword that will make direct contact, not Mihawk himself.

About Shiliu, well we don't know if they fought to begin with (unless I forgot), but it has probably happened, and taking into consideration that Magellan is in a closed place, which grants him quite the advantage, it is normal for him to win if there was ever a fight I guess.

Crocodile does not need to actually touch magellan to do that. His spada attacks have range and dehydrate the targets. Remember when he attacked the marines that were going to execute ace?

 

[Zehahaha]

Crocodile does not need to actually touch magellan to do that. His spada attacks have range and dehydrate the targets. Remember when he attacked the marines that were going to execute ace?

Yes that's what I'm talking about, even if he turns into sand, it is still his body right ?

 

[Lemonadez]

Who knows about his strength, maybe mihawk capable of using haki too? I mean u cant defeat a logia with out using a haki, considering mihawk been in New World already, we know New World have logia user.

Beside even white beard commander able to use haki. I say Mihawk would probably be in admiral level too, Haki can harm admiral :-). If mihawk really that weak then diamon jozu wont even block his attack.

 

[Schabrak]

Yes that's what I'm talking about, even if he turns into sand, it is still his body right ?

Don't think so, or else Ace attacks at BB or Kizarus laser spikes would have been their own body too. I believe they have control over the element once it's just a moving mass. Of course there's a difference to the extension of their bodies they have shown us at times, like Smoker catching people with his smoke hands. The water Aokiji turns into ice, isn't his body too obviously.

 

[bisha16]

Don't think so, or else Ace attacks at BB or Kizarus laser spikes would have been their own body too. I believe they have control over the element once it's just a moving mass. Of course there's a difference to the extension of their bodies they have shown us at times, like Smoker catching people with his smoke hands. The water Aokiji turns into ice, isn't his body too obviously.

If u remember the fight between crocodile and doflamingo crocodile got a injury from doflamingo and he got that while he was in his sand form so this means that the sand is part of his body and if u hit the its the same as hitting a part of his body

 

[Zehahaha]

Don't think so, or else Ace attacks at BB or Kizarus laser spikes would have been their own body too. I believe they have control over the element once it's just a moving mass. Of course there's a difference to the extension of their bodies they have shown us at times, like Smoker catching people with his smoke hands. The water Aokiji turns into ice, isn't his body too obviously.

Well, aren't Crocodile long range attacks an extension of his body ?

 

[Schabrak]

What I'm talking about is that if the logia user is 100% in human form and sends his element towards the enemy. The destruction of that object doesn't/shouldn't hurt the user, as seen with ... all characters? Could you pm me the scene of the CvsD fight? Only if the user uses the element as an extension of his body/extremities, it would of course hurt the user when the oponent has enough/more control over CoA.

 

[BlackHair]

In the SBS it was said that any elemental attacks of a logia are part of their body. I remember it clearly since it was one of my first discussions on this forum, I believe it was with Imitorar. But I couldn't find it in the SBS nor the discussion from back then.

Anyway jsut wanted to say this, hopefully someone else remembers it. Since tbh I lost interest in searching after 2 minutes, maybe tomorrow xD

If u remember the fight between crocodile and doflamingo crocodile got a injury from doflamingo and he got that while he was in his sand form so this means that the sand is part of his body and if u hit the its the same as hitting a part of his body

Don't remember Crocodile getting hurt by any other than Jozu.

 

[Jet Piston]

I think Mihawk is one of the strongest characters but to say he is stronger than Kizaru is ridiculous. Kizaru is by far one of the most powerful characters in OP with a really hax logia.

 

[Lemonadez]

Remember smoker, he's also a logia type.

Boa manage to kick smoker when he's not even solid himself. Haki can harm logia user wether their in solid form or not. we dont know if Don Flamingo can also use haki, we dont even know what his abilities exactly do.

And kizaru isn't the one with hax abilities. Heck u let him fight between Jimbei and kizaru in ocean. Jimbie wins -.- as devil fruit weakness would be sea it self.

If i were to choose between hax abilties, it would be Enel, his abilities can read mind and further more he can tap into unlimited lightning and his lightning alone can wipe out entire island into dust. 200,000,000 volts will hurt other logia user. only rubber was his weakness -.-, imagine if enel took part in whitebeard war, he can wipe out the entire sland where navy standing. His lightning alone is enough to melt a metal. He will just melt aokiji ice and they all sink into sea -.-

 

[kkck]

Yes that's what I'm talking about, even if he turns into sand, it is still his body right ?

Not necessarily. A bit part of being a logia is the innate ability to generate significant amounts of one element. The sand crocodile creates is not necessarily a part of his body in this particular regard.

 

[ocajavati]

Um.

If no one noticed, WB was beating back Akainu with relative ease up until he got a stroke or something.

Not to mention WB was nowhere near his prime; Mihawk's gauge of WB's strength could easily be from past memories. Both Marco and Jozu were fighting on par with Admirals until they were caught unaware.

I find it hard to believe Mihawk would be considered weaker than Marco and Jozu. At least on par.

Maybe Mihawk will pick up a few tricks before the end of the manga? Who says the Strawhats are the only one getting stronger as the story progress?

Remember how Roger's first mate was able to beat back Kizaru, despite his lack of practice and advance age? If Luffy does indeed become the Pirate King, I would hope Zoro, being the first mate, could at least match Rayleigh in power.

Otherwise... it would just be a very depressing generation.

 

[GomuGomu_Getsuga]

I wouldn't put Mihawk on par with the Yonkou or Admirals. He wasn't capable of defeating Vista and didn't show any extreme strength against an injured and tired Luffy. We also have no idea what new swordsmen might rise. Mihawk probably hasn't fought every swordsman in the world.

I think Mihawk can fight an Admiral or Yonkou to some extent but would lose. If Mihawk were that strong then Zoro would be strong enough to defeat Blackbeard, Kaidou, Sengoku or Akainu in the end. That would put Luffy on too high of a level for any villain to stand a chance against him.

 

[xeteboi]

I would put Mihawk equal to the Admirals,saying Mihawk losing to the Admirals is just like saying that Shanks will lose too. It is the dream of Zoro, next to Pirate Kings dream of Luffy, it is no joke.

 

[Drakrami]

I'm guessing with the plot twist that Mihawk trained Zoro, someone like Shiryu will eventually defeat or kill Mihawk (no one wants to see this) and Zoro in turn would have to defeat Shiryu to claim the throne of the strongest swordman. At least that is how a traditional manga would develop.

But then One Piece is always unpredictable, and that is why it is One Piece.

 

[BlackHair]

He wasn't capable of defeating Vista and didn't show any extreme strength against an injured and tired Luffy. We also have no idea what new swordsmen might rise. Mihawk probably hasn't fought every swordsman in the world.

I think Mihawk can fight an Admiral or Yonkou to some extent but would lose. If Mihawk were that strong then Zoro would be strong enough to defeat Blackbeard, Kaidou, Sengoku or Akainu in the end. That would put Luffy on too high of a level for any villain to stand a chance against him.

I strongly disagree with ur Bleach or Dragonball concept. Honestly I can't stand it. It doesn't work in OP. Luffy is always portrayed close to Zoro's lvl -> red datebook. One Piece isn't like: A beat B, so naturally A has to be stronger than C, who was beaten by B. Such theory simply doesn't work. There will be certainly opponents who Luffy jsut can't handle.

Just cause Mwk has the title of the strongest, doesn't make any other swordsman a fodder for his swords. Take AoKiji vs Akainu for example. They needed to fight 10 days to determine the stronger one. So now considering that how long did Mwk fight with Vista? couple of seconds maybe?! What makes u think Vista can be beaten in mere seconds, in minutes max? Why do u portray Vista as a fodder?

Anyway, Mwk played with Luffy and Vista is no fodder. Period.

I think Mihawk is one of the strongest characters but to say he is stronger than Kizaru is ridiculous. Kizaru is by far one of the most powerful characters in OP with a really hax logia.

Kiz hax? hm.. true some ability's of Kiz may hax, but that goes also for some of Croco's or any other df abilities. Guys with hax abilities are Kuma and Enel imo. Maybe Im forgetting someone xD


Oda is saving Mwk for future plot. Means he couldn't let him go wild in the war arc. Mwk along with just a few guys (Kizaru, Hancock..) left the marineford war with absolute zero damage line. No panting, no dirt, no wounds, no signs of battle altogether. Think about it for a second.

Mwk is Zoros goal, a endgame character. Saying that he will definitely lost to Admirals or Yonko is just a false statement imho.

 

[kkck]

So... isn't luffy's crew meant to mimic in some form roger's own to some degree? In this particular regard, we did see Rayleigh being a match for an admiral even though he was an old fart who had spent the last 20 something years boosing. It wouldn't be strange at all that zoro to end up being actually stronger than an admiral nearing the end of the manga which incidentally is, as I said before, the most likely time he will finally defeat the strongest swordsman in the world. Mihawk is a monster among monsters, heck, casually swinging his sword resulted in a several mile long cut of a huge iceberg (admittedly the iceberg was indeed created by an admiral but still).... Heck, mihawk is one of the few people who walked out of the war without so much as a scratch on him....

 

[elitefox]

Remember smoker, he's also a logia type.

Boa manage to kick smoker when he's not even solid himself. Haki can harm logia user wether their in solid form or not. we dont know if Don Flamingo can also use haki, we dont even know what his abilities exactly do.

And kizaru isn't the one with hax abilities. Heck u let him fight between Jimbei and kizaru in ocean. Jimbie wins -.- as devil fruit weakness would be sea it self.

If i were to choose between hax abilties, it would be Enel, his abilities can read mind and further more he can tap into unlimited lightning and his lightning alone can wipe out entire island into dust. 200,000,000 volts will hurt other logia user. only rubber was his weakness -.-, imagine if enel took part in whitebeard war, he can wipe out the entire sland where navy standing. His lightning alone is enough to melt a metal. He will just melt aokiji ice and they all sink into sea -.-

Well ground is infinite conductor of electrical energy so he cannot really destroy an island, that is why he like the floating piece of ground but all that is above land is going to be destroyed nevertheless... Enel's teleportation > Kisaru, that I think is his advantage but kisaru have haki so kisaru is going to kick his ass big time

 

[BlackHair]

I believe at the very end of the story the monster trio will be capable of fighting the Admirals/Yonko on par. They will be definitely high tier. Luffy will be without doubt the strongest man at the very end. Since Zoro has been imo always portrayed close to Luffy's lvl, I have every reason to believe that Mwk as his last game foe will be extremely strong. Oda is saving him for plot after all.

I think Mwk can definitely win against Shanks and Kizaru, individually. Not by a big margin, much like Luffy vs Lucci.

 

[kkck]

To be completely honest I don't think that even now the monster trio are that far off from the admirals... I mean, not one of them would actually win in a fight just yet against them however with the strength they have shown I do think they would indeed be able to put up a fight. The monster trio at least are by no means people who could be easily dealt with by admirals nowadays, without at the very least that much now there is no way they would be able to survive their impending fight against the full might of one of the yonko...