Discussion Mihawk's Power Level

[7pac]

u should start reading the manga
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2114-12/one-piece/chapter-52.html

I was looking for that, great point.
Anyways, we'll just have to see, indeed arguing is useless, I mean Mihawk is sais to be the world strongest so that should be enough proof, but ok, let's wait 2014 I'm sure we will get to see more of shanks and mihawk.

 

[Schabrak]

The world strongest what!? Strongest pure swordman. Does he accept Shanks as a rival anymore because he lost an arm? Maybe not. Does that mean Shanks is weaker? Hell No! It says absolutely nothing about that.

You don't even seem to think one step ahead. What about the end? What about Shiryu contesting the #1 spot? What about thinking ahead of a comment from fifteen years ago, neart he beginning of the series?

 

[HereNThere]

@DutchPhoenix and 7pac

Yeah, I looked at that page yesterday as a matter of fact while I was writing my post, so telling me to read the manga was unnecessary and quite a rude assumption to make. I did the research on the slight possibility I could be wrong and and guess what? I wasn't and I still stand by what I said. Mihawk said nothing about being the Greatest. He said he will always be at the top of the world, something that echoes what both Ace and Shanks have said to Luffy, and that he wants Zoro to work hard to surpass him. Doesn't mean he's the strongest at all. He is one of the strongest. Just like Yonkou who are at the top, just like the Admirals who are at the top, and just like a few of his fellow Shichibukai who are at the top. They are the World's Elite and it isn't just Mihawk who at the summit.

As a pure Swordsman, he's probably the strongest. In terms of technique his swordsmanship probably perfected, but that doesn't mean no one can go against him.

Vista was doing well and even got a hit in on him, so, as I said in the Yonkou discussion topic, if Vista can go toe to toe with Mihawk and fight evenly with him, why is so hard to believe that Shanks is equal to him? Especially when it has been said that Shanks was Mihawk's rival before he lost his arm and that losing his arm didn't weaken him in anyway. Which, again, points to them being equal in strength rather than one being superior to the other.

The world strongest what!? Strongest pure swordman. Does he accept Shanks as a rival anymore because he lost an arm? Maybe not. Does that mean Shanks is weaker? Hell No! It says absolutely nothing about that.

You don't even seem to think one step ahead. What about the end? What about Shiryu contesting the #1 spot? What about thinking ahead of a comment from fifteen years ago, neart he beginning of the series?

Pretty much this as well.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Too bad shanks doesnt have the title ''worlds strongest swordsman'' giving by oda.
Too bad readers like shanks more then mihawk, so they try to make him a stronger swordsman then the one with the actual title.

lol people even wanted to make shanks just as strong/stronger then whitebeard.

 

[REN KOUEN]

I doubt mihawk would let go of the title of the strongest without a fight... He is a swordsman who we know for a fact challenged shanks solely to test and prove his skills, he cares about being the strongest. I'd argue there is no reason for mihawk to not be zoro's final enemy even after the admirals.

i agree, there is no way someone with pride like mihawks would concede the title of greatest swordsman without settling it with the blade

 

[Schabrak]

Too bad shanks doesnt have the title ''worlds strongest swordsman'' giving by oda.
Too bad readers like shanks more then mihawk, so they try to make him a stronger swordsman then the one with the actual title.

lol people even wanted to make shanks just as strong/stronger then whitebeard.

Do you fucking even read!? Piss off if you have no intention to argue, that's the most important part here, using your mind and think this through formulate more than "Oda said", read the arguments and counter them, some, a single one of those? How about that.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

Just gonna express my humble opinion here. I Believe that Mihawk and Shanks are about equal in swordsmanship, but Mihawk has perfected his swordsmanship and style to a greater extent than his "former" rival. I still feel that Shanks is the stronger of the two, due to having an extremely powerful Haki, and conquerors at that. But since we have yet to see the two of them go all out against any opponent, this is just my opinion from what I've picked up so far in the manga and what Oda sensei himself has stated.

My two cents:
Mihawk: Around admiral level.
Shanks: Around admiral level, slightly stronger.

 

[ish3]

My qualm here is it's inconceivable to think either party was vastly superior to the other. One is Yonkou with Kings Haki who stopped whitebeard and when they clashed they cut though clouds and pretty much purged the sky. Mihawk on the other hand since the beginning has been known as the worlds strongest swordsman.

Similar to Luffy and Zoro's relationship in my opinion. Pretty equal one slightly stronger then the other. But who knows we haven't even seen either party in a serious one one or use full strength so any comparison with lack of information besides titles at the moment is disgusting. WB was known as the strongest being on the planet but guess what he was still killed. They're all still human so it doesn't really matter who's stronger. Some of you guys really need to use common sense. What matters is how strong and what abilities they use against other strong opponents that's what I want to know not pure speculation.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

well oda is the writer of the mange one piece, and he said mihawk is the most strongest swordman, not shanks, so i go with mihawk being stronger then shanks.

 

[Schabrak]

Do you not want to participate in this discussion or are you too obtuse to understand the problem with your arguments?

A yonkou pirate is rated higher than a shichibukai, so there is that. Sounds stupid? Because that's what it is, a stupid conclusion ignoring everything else in the manga. We know that most Shichibukai are likely weaker than the Yonkou, but for all we know Mihawk is seemingly of similar strength to the top characters, not enormously stronger/weaker, but somewhere around Shanks fighting capability.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Do you not want to participate in this discussion or are you too obtuse to understand the problem with your arguments?

A yonkou pirate is rated higher than a shichibukai, so there is that. Sounds stupid? Because that's what it is, a stupid conclusion ignoring everything else in the manga. We know that most Shichibukai are likely weaker than the Yonkou, but for all we know Mihawk is seemingly of similar strength to the top characters, not enormously stronger/weaker, but somewhere around Shanks fighting capability.

a younko is pirate captain of one of the four most powerfull pirate crews in the new world, they govern lots of islands and have many allies.
Mihawk doesnt have a crew, he doesnt govern islands.

this discussion is about his powerlevel, not about how strong hes non-excisting crew is, or how many island he ''controls''
Shanks IS a swordsman, and the fact oda didnt give him the title strongest swordsman should be enough to put a end to this discussion.
Sure till now we've seen impressive things from shanks, and aswell from mihawk.

However we havent seen their maximum fighting capability either.
Comparing shanks and mihawk , like luffy and zoro isnt good either, Luffy is using fists, unlike zoro, shanks and mihawk.
Is shanks damn powerfull? yes he is.
Is shanks stronger then Mihawk in a 1 on 1 confrontation now? no he isnt, simply because if he was, he would have been the strongest swordman.
Will mihawk have a easy win? nop, however we dont know how big that gap actually is yet.
is shanks more populair then mihawk? 100%

As for the future of one piece.
Zoro will surpass both shanks and mihawk eventually, and luffy will be as strong as whitebeard in his prime.
In terms of powerscale 1 too 100 , in the end luffy will be 100 and zoro 99

Also, i cant wait for coby to surpass garp ^^

 

[TheLuffySmile]

^ Just one thing, Shanks couldn't be labeled the strongest swordsman, because that would screw up the whole story. hence that makes pretty much all you're saying irrelevant. And how dare you state so many things like they're facts. I can't help but get to really annoyed at your ignorance and lack of information backing up what you're stating.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

^ Just one thing, Shanks couldn't be labeled the strongest swordsman, because that would screw up the whole story. hence that makes pretty much all you're saying irrelevant.

facepalm

 

[7pac]

^ Just one thing, Shanks couldn't be labeled the strongest swordsman, because that would screw up the whole story. hence that makes pretty much all you're saying irrelevant. And how dare you state so many things like they're facts. I can't help but get to really annoyed at your ignorance and lack of information backing up what you're stating.

lolwut

all he said is true 110%.

 

[ish3]

@Schabrak: Don't even waste your time. You can't even have a debate with people who have a clear cut ideal in their heads as facts when it's clearly not.

On topic though I want I know what lead Mihawk to be a loner at this point at time. Did he ever have a crew? No pirate is able to roam the seas alone. I feel he was either labeled a pirate for his destructive capabilities was on a pirate crew but decided to be on his own once he gained the title of warlord or his crew was killed. I doubt they offer the position to just regular any single handed being. I'm sure he had a following. But I could be wrong and that's what makes him more badass.

 

[HereNThere]

Yeeaaah, I'm going to follow ish3's advice as well.

He must have had a crew at some point. The Grand Line is harrowing enough for beginners, I can't imagine someone being able to take it on alone until they become strong enough. Hell, even Roger and Whitebeard needed a crew to get as far as they did. He might have a crew and just disbanded it after some point in time. If his dream was to become a great swordsman, then he accomplished it early and didn't need a crew any longer.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

mihawk having a crew is just speculation, nothing more.
Facts are hes shown to live alone, having a 1 man boat, and has a castle in a country withoud people and manga never mentioned or even hinted at him ever being in a crew. hes just that badass to go where he pleases, alone.

 

[ish3]

Dutch it's all speculation and theory as what these threads are for. As badass as that sounds no one not even former and current admirals move throughout the world without a crew. At least before they obtained their titles. Every strong man has a following even if he's a lone wolf the right people would follow regardless that's why it's odd especially in a story such as One Piece. That's why I feel at some point his origin and backstory will be necessary. He definitely wasn't the person he is today since birth. Something happen to make him believe in destiny and its turning gears. Whether it be gol d roger or another experience.

Until he was the level he is now there's no way in hell he traveled the grandline let alone the new world on his own. I know it won't be until near the end of the series but I can't wait till we delve more into his character. I could care less about his feats or powers as he already has the strongest swordsman title. At least until Zoro fights him.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

if u want 100% facts..

1. Mihawk is the worlds most powerfull swordman
2. shanks got his arm eaten by a fish
3. shanks got 3 scars on his eye by blackbeard.
4. shanks has a big crew/allies and controls many islands and is a younko
5. mihawk is alone, and is warlord title given by government
6. mihawk and shanks were rivals before who had legendary duells.
7. mihawk doesnt consider shanks a rival anymore, now that he lost an arm.

 

[Schabrak]

a younko is pirate captain of one of the four most powerfull pirate crews in the new world, they govern lots of islands and have many allies.
Mihawk doesnt have a crew, he doesnt govern islands.

this discussion is about his powerlevel, not about how strong hes non-excisting crew is, or how many island he ''controls''
Shanks IS a swordsman, and the fact oda didnt give him the title strongest swordsman should be enough to put a end to this discussion.
Sure till now we've seen impressive things from shanks, and aswell from mihawk.

However we havent seen their maximum fighting capability either.
Comparing shanks and mihawk , like luffy and zoro isnt good either, Luffy is using fists, unlike zoro, shanks and mihawk.
Is shanks damn powerfull? yes he is.
Is shanks stronger then Mihawk in a 1 on 1 confrontation now? no he isnt, simply because if he was, he would have been the strongest swordman.
Will mihawk have a easy win? nop, however we dont know how big that gap actually is yet.
is shanks more populair then mihawk? 100%

As for the future of one piece.
Zoro will surpass both shanks and mihawk eventually, and luffy will be as strong as whitebeard in his prime.
In terms of powerscale 1 too 100 , in the end luffy will be 100 and zoro 99

Also, i cant wait for coby to surpass garp ^^

What does governing islands have to do with this? Provide a connection between power levels and the reign of characters over territories please. For all we know Shanks just sails around every couple months and chills on an island, uninhabited or not.

But it's not enough, this manga has gone fourteen times as long as it has been at that chapter, fifteen years have gone by since that moment, the manga has increased in volume, characters, had added a huge amount of plot and world building.

Why should we not be capable of comparing characters if they aren't using the same weapons? What idiocy is this!?

The long bolded sentence is a false equivalence. The popularity of a character doesn't say anything about strength, keep this bullshit out of the discussion.

And considering that you just wrote that those two are not comparable like Shanks and Mihawk, Luffy or Zorro better stay out of this topic, unless you can provide a connection to it.

Coby surpassing Garp until Luffy reaches his PK titles would be really weird and not make sense considering it took Garp decades to reach his prime, just like it took the fighters of Strawats years of their life to reach their current strength.

if u want 100% facts..

1. Mihawk is the worlds most powerfull swordman
2. shanks got his arm eaten by a fish
3. shanks got 3 scars on his eye by blackbeard.
4. shanks has a big crew/allies and controls many islands and is a younko
5. mihawk is alone, and is warlord title given by government
6. mihawk and shanks were rivals before who had legendary duells.
7. mihawk doesnt consider shanks a rival anymore, now that he lost an arm.

1. Yeah we all know that, every single reader of OP knows that. What's the point of repeatedly posting this information!?

2.

Did you just admit that you have a huge lack of understanding of this manga? Because posting this says nothing about Shanks capability to rip that Sea Monster apart in the first chapter. It rather ignores that physical sacrifice of Shanks for the one person he though could follow in his captain's footsteps.

3. Shanks confirmed Blackbeard to be a tough fighter, even before he stole the DF. What's your point?

4/5. What does that have to do with anything? Rayleigh swam through the calm belt before rowing there, Shanks would likely be capable of the same. What's your point?

6. And?

7. What does that say about Shanks being a capable combatant to Mihawk considering he's officially one of the top 4 pirates on the planet? Nothing.

Fact #8: You do not understand how discussions/argumentations work.

Please leave if you have no intention to actually talk, reply or rebut the argumentations provided.

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"Greatest Swordsman in the World"

Greatest as in most skilled on earth and likely the strongest as well, but that's not 100% sure. If Blackbeard used swords now and was capable of beating Dracule with help of his powers and sword, he would be the strongest on earth, but not the greatest/magnificent/briliiant/terrific/excellent/admirable one.

And Since Shanks lost his sword hand, his skill in swordmanship will have decreased, yet he surely wouldn't be weak either, just weaker than with both hands or rather his sword hand. Therefore Mihawk doesn't accept him as a rival anymore, as he is not capable of fighting to 100% as he was before.