Discussion Mirajane Strauss thread

[kira]

Hiro himself said Mira is stronger but erza has more willpower(nakama and pis ). though erza might be stronger now with her new eileen like magic that neinheart felt.


and here's Seilah and Kyouka's boosted stats:

Seilah:
Atk: 5200
Def: 5000
Spd: 4800
Curse: 6000

Kyouka:
Atk: 5200
Def: 5000
Spd: 5500
Curse: 5200

 

[reesestl]

I don't agree with it but logically it does makes sense but this is fairy tail

keep in mind mira is two years behind erza. before that they were equal.
its kinda like BoS gray is equal to alvarez natsu. even though BoS gray should be two years behind current natsu
because time gap is almost same.

before the mop comes, I repeat I don't agree with this

I may be missing something obvious here, but why is Mira two years behind Erza?

 

[Rain Cloud]

Hiro himself said Mira is stronger but erza has more willpower(nakama and pis ). though erza might be stronger now with her new eileen like magic that neinheart felt.


and here's Seilah and Kyouka's boosted stats:

Seilah:
Atk: 5200
Def: 5000
Spd: 4800
Curse: 6000

Kyouka:
Atk: 5200
Def: 5000
Spd: 5500
Curse: 5200

Yes these were the correct stats. Taratarus was to show Erza and Mira are equal. Hiro really needs stronger people (especially at this point in the story), which is why people like Laxus, Jellal, and Mira need to be shown as on par with their MC counterparts.

I may be missing something obvious here, but why is Mira two years behind Erza?

Mira had a 2 year gap where she did not perform magic. The person is assuming that this caused Mira to be two years behind Erza. Unfortunately, looking at things like the GMG arc, where 7 years worth of training for the world = 3 months of training for Fairy Tail B team, I don't think 2 years makes any difference in the least lmao.

 

[Am Shegar]

Where are from boosted stats? Link plz. I know only one stats witch is in wiki and they are lower. Kyoka and Silver were aces of NDG and Seyla was not. By the way IMHO Mira can be stronger then Erza but have less time in this form. Also I doubt Mira can use macro like Seyla, Mira took over her ability but not magic power. Miras MP is impressive by her own of course but year ago her MP was lower then Seylas.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

Where are from boosted stats? Link plz. I know only one stats witch is in wiki and they are lower. Kyoka and Silver were aces of NDG and Seyla was not. By the way IMHO Mira can be stronger then Erza but have less time in this form. Also I doubt Mira can use macro like Seyla, Mira took over her ability but not magic power. Miras MP is impressive by her own of course but year ago her MP was lower then Seylas.

Mira managed to take over her macro prior the TS and Sayla runs on curse power,not magic power.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Hiro himself said Mira is stronger but erza has more willpower(nakama and pis ). though erza might be stronger now with her new eileen like magic that neinheart felt.


and here's Seilah and Kyouka's boosted stats:

Seilah:
Atk: 5200
Def: 5000
Spd: 4800
Curse: 6000

Kyouka:
Atk: 5200
Def: 5000
Spd: 5500
Curse: 5200

Sayla stats are super wrong.

attack: 1200
Defense: 1000
Speed: 800
Intelligence: 1800
Curse: 2000

Kyouka:

Attack: 2700
Defense: 2500
Speed: 3000
Intelligence: 2900
Curse: 2700



There is no official boosted stats. I know someone said that a translation gave some people boosted stats but not source was ever given.

 

[kkck]

Sayla stats are super wrong.
attack: 1200
Defense: 1000
Speed: 800
Intelligence: 1800
Curse: 2000

Kyouka:

Attack: 2700
Defense: 2500
Speed: 3000
Intelligence: 2900
Curse: 2700

There is no official boosted stats. I know someone said that a translation gave some people boosted stats but not source was ever given.

The boosted stats for either character would be from the transformations they showed. In sayla's case for macroing herself. However so far I have yet to confirm that is the right way to add the boost. Originally the implication was that the added number was added to a single stat rather than all of them. Of course, even if stats are added like that it does not necessarily bode well for mira. Mira was utterly outclassed by macro sayla and the presumably comparable enhanced kyoka did not outright outclass erza.

 

[Kiki]

This is gonna be confession post lol :P

I still can remember, the days I started this series, Mirajane is one of my big three favorite characters, and she always is. I was like, "Wow, this girl is beautiful and kind". Her past is heartbreaking. One of what I like from her is her modesty.

Spoiler: Mirajane's modesty

She never said to Lucy that she is one of Fairy Tail S-Class mages. She never swaggered, and will never.

Now that she has new Take-Over, I am so proud of her. Will there be another new Take-Over? Will she give us another surprise again? Crossed fingers to Mira vs Irene. At least I hope she doesn't get humiliated.

 

[kkck]

Mira getting humiliated against irene is a given. She has already used a good chunk of her stamina and that was merely to fight a couple of enchanted objects, not even actual enemies. As in, a minuscule amount of irene's magic was enough to warrant mira using a new more powerful takeover which has already depleted what little stamina she has. At the most mira will use alegria or perhaps even a stronger takeover for just a moment, which would be a miracle considering her already limited stamina, and land an actual scratch. Then irene will honor mira's skill that allowed mira to land an honest to god scratch on irene and sneeze in her direction (not in her general direction) thus decisively foderizing her. The only way I could see this not happening is that some other currently unknown factor comes into play.

 

[Ultimateasus]

It's possible that Irene will heal Mira and restore her stamina to commend her for defeating her subordinates and give her a chance to shine, either by fighting her and giving her trouble or leaving her alone where she will fight Larcade (or whatever the name) later on....we can dream right?

BTW, I think Mira's takeovers are much stronger than the demons themselves, otherwise even Mard Geer takeover will be a disappointment for me since that is lower than Spriggan level and I think Natsu passed that level in his base form.

 

[Kiki]

Mira getting humiliated against irene is a given. She has already used a good chunk of her stamina and that was merely to fight a couple of enchanted objects, not even actual enemies. As in, a minuscule amount of irene's magic was enough to warrant mira using a new more powerful takeover which has already depleted what little stamina she has. At the most mira will use alegria or perhaps even a stronger takeover for just a moment, which would be a miracle considering her already limited stamina, and land an actual scratch. Then irene will honor mira's skill that allowed mira to land an honest to god scratch on irene and sneeze in her direction (not in her general direction) thus decisively foderizing her. The only way I could see this not happening is that some other currently unknown factor comes into play.

Sorry Kaka that was just my bad phrasing. When I said "Mira vs Irene", I meant it doesn't necessarily need to happen, as there's a lot of possibilities that can come, like someone intervening, or whether that Irene is real or not, or anything else. Therefore I agree to your last sentence only.

 

[Jko]

Mira might have limited MP but she could resort to Curse Power or Macro herself, like Seilah did, to boost herself. I'm praying this isn't a oneshot and Mira get at least some more feats.

 

[kkck]

Mira might have limited MP but she could resort to Curse Power or Macro herself, like Seilah did, to boost herself. I'm praying this isn't a oneshot and Mira get at least some more feats.

I am not so sure whether mira would have curse power to use as fuel. She can use sayla's macro but it is entirely possible it runs on magic rather than curse power. Mira macroing herself is an interesting prospect however for her to do that she would probably need a bit of magic to transform anyways. I would think that transforming into an etherius demon would require more juice than transforming into a regular demon at least. With that in mind she might be in a situation where she can't transform into sayla... or she would be better of transforming into something else.

 

[Jko]

I am not so sure whether mira would have curse power to use as fuel. She can use sayla's macro but it is entirely possible it runs on magic rather than curse power. Mira macroing herself is an interesting prospect however for her to do that she would probably need a bit of magic to transform anyways. I would think that transforming into an etherius demon would require more juice than transforming into a regular demon at least. With that in mind she might be in a situation where she can't transform into sayla... or she would be better of transforming into something else.

She has shown the ability to use Macro w/o transforming into Seilah and I think turning into Seilah is relatively easy for her. When she used it before it looked as easy as going into her Satan Soul. For the CP she might've not wanted to use it due to it being a negative power. If she did, she might result to using as Irene might try an harm Lissanna or FT. She used to hate her Demon abilities bcs she thought they were evil but realized they can be used to protect her love ones so it might be the same case with CP.

 

[kkck]

On another note, I wonder why when transforming into sayla mira looks entirely like her but in turn with her other demon forms she sort of looks like she is wearing their.... skin so to speak. Perhaps this is related to her mastery over a given form and the nature of the demon she absorbed? So she transforms completely into sayla because she has yet to fully control her. Alegria perhaps was easier because it did not seem to have an actual personality and intelligence.

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She has shown the ability to use Macro w/o transforming into Seilah and I think turning into Seilah is relatively easy for her. When she used it before it looked as easy as going into her Satan Soul. For the CP she might've not wanted to use it due to it being a negative power. If she did, she might result to using as Irene might try an harm Lissanna or FT. She used to hate her Demon abilities bcs she thought they were evil but realized they can be used to protect her love ones so it might be the same case with CP.

Well, transforming in itself has never been shown as something inherently tiring. What she has issue with is staying in the forms she is in and later on transforming again if necessary. You could be right about the CP but to me it would still be weird. Mira has been using magic her entire life. Would switching be so easy? We are talking about a fundamentally different type of energy after all. Can a human even use curse power at all? For all we know a magic container does not work to hold curse power.

 

[Jko]

On another note, I wonder why when transforming into sayla mira looks entirely like her but in turn with her other demon forms she sort of looks like she is wearing their.... skin so to speak. Perhaps this is related to her mastery over a given form and the nature of the demon she absorbed? So she transforms completely into sayla because she has yet to fully control her. Alegria perhaps was easier because it did not seem to have an actual personality and intelligence.

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Well, transforming in itself has never been shown as something inherently tiring. What she has issue with is staying in the forms she is in and later on transforming again if necessary. You could be right about the CP but to me it would still be weird. Mira has been using magic her entire life. Would switching be so easy? We are talking about a fundamentally different type of energy after all. Can a human even use curse power at all? For all we know a magic container does not work to hold curse power.

I think the only consuming takeover she had was Algeria though bcs every other takeover she has done has never been tiresome. Well Mira is part demon since she has too have demon particles already inside her to use it. I can see her using Magical power and Curse power as equals so she has two sources of energy rather than one like Bradman does (he also use CP and MP). Maybe Mira is the middle man of these two powers as she part demon and part human so she could potentially combine the two or switch between the two powers so she doesn't run out of stamina quickly. It's like when you have an extra battery for your phone so in case it died you can just juice it up by using the Curse power. CP might also be greater to use then MP for demons as it a derivation of Magic created specifically for the demon race.

 

[kkck]

I think the only consuming takeover she had was Algeria though bcs every other takeover she has done has never been tiresome. Well Mira is part demon since she has too have demon particles already inside her to use it. I can see her using Magical power and Curse power as equals so she has two sources of energy rather than one like Bradman does (he also use CP and MP). Maybe Mira is the middle man of these two powers as she part demon and part human so she could potentially combine the two or switch between the two powers so she doesn't run out of stamina quickly. It's like when you have an extra battery for your phone so in case it died you can just juice it up by using the Curse power. CP might also be greater to use then MP for demons as it a derivation of Magic created specifically for the demon race.

Well, remember tenrou island and her confrontation with azuma? She ultimately couldn't keep fighting because she was tired from defeating her brother and evergreen earlier. Basically, over a year ago she could not even use her most basic takeover. Now it seems like that takeover is something she can use casually but in turn it does not have the power to take even irene's enchanted toys. Which is quite sad for someone who used to be a match for erza. And she used her alegria to easily beat them but in turn that immediately drained her, at least as far as she said. So she got strong enough to use weak demons easily but is still not strong enough to use the demons that would allow her to match a proper springan for a whole fight. I am not sure CP is really that specific. All we know is that CP is related to end but nothing else... At this point I even find it questionable that end is a demon. Why would zeref bring back his brother as a demon if he had the choice to bring him back as a human etherius?

 

[Jko]

Well, remember tenrou island and her confrontation with azuma? She ultimately couldn't keep fighting because she was tired from defeating her brother and evergreen earlier. Basically, over a year ago she could not even use her most basic takeover. Now it seems like that takeover is something she can use casually but in turn it does not have the power to take even irene's enchanted toys. Which is quite sad for someone who used to be a match for erza. And she used her alegria to easily beat them but in turn that immediately drained her, at least as far as she said. So she got strong enough to use weak demons easily but is still not strong enough to use the demons that would allow her to match a proper springan for a whole fight. I am not sure CP is really that specific. All we know is that CP is related to end but nothing else... At this point I even find it questionable that end is a demon. Why would zeref bring back his brother as a demon if he had the choice to bring him back as a human etherius?

Yeah but that issue was already solved when she did the three months of training. She had no trouble going Seilah or any other form besides Algeria. When she went that soul Juliet and Heine were scared af so it bring me to the question where her magic is at in forms like that? Bcs Heine and Juliet hangs around other S12 pretty casually. So I think it be cool that if she activates the form with her MP and sustains it with her CP. It would be a cool concept to combine the two powers and so Mira doesn't drain out that quickly. Actually CP has nothing to do with E.N.D. as Mard Geer made that part up. It's questionable that E.N.D. even has CP. Also I do think he is a demon when he becomes E.N.D.

 

[Ultimateasus]

Mira basically need second origin, it is an additional container for magic which will definitely help her keep her stamina longer.

 

[GodSerena]

Yeah but that issue was already solved when she did the three months of training. She had no trouble going Seilah or any other form besides Algeria. When she went that soul Juliet and Heine were scared af so it bring me to the question where her magic is at in forms like that? Bcs Heine and Juliet hangs around other S12 pretty casually. So I think it be cool that if she activates the form with her MP and sustains it with her CP. It would be a cool concept to combine the two powers and so Mira doesn't drain out that quickly. Actually CP has nothing to do with E.N.D. as Mard Geer made that part up. It's questionable that E.N.D. even has CP. Also I do think he is a demon when he becomes E.N.D.

You've got a point there. Juliet and Heine hang around Irene, the second strongest Spriggan. For them to be scared of Mira's power means she must be really powerful (I would think Spriggan level).
I honestly hope she ends up fighting bradman, and takes him over. That would be awesome and would make her unstoppable.