Discussion Mirajane Strauss thread

[LighteningLord]

I think Macro has some limits of its own. Biggest of them being MP as I don't see her using Macro against Jacob and giving the order like " Go bring me Ajeel's head who is troubling my siblings so much." Also the number of participants on who Macro is used might also matter as Mirajane could easily turn Alverez's army against their own leaders.

 

[Takeover twin]

Here is the problem with Macro logically:

If someone has an once of intelligence and will power than they can resist it. If Mirajane say go to sleep, she never specified what time to go to sleep, then you can go to sleep when ever you feel like it. Meaning they have more then enough time to take out the user and make the command null.

So unless the command is very specific one should be able to ignore it long enough to take out the user and render the command void. It is like you asking a Genie for a million dollars and he robs a bank to get it.

So honestly Macro is overrated. I doubt it works on a mage that knows about it. Also more than likly it only works on Humans given Sayla couldn't Macro Mirajane because of the demon particles in her. Not to mention honestly an thing of ear muffs would render Macro absolutely useless given unless you hear the command, you can't follow the command.

But if you see in the anime seliah can also
Control dead people so.....

 

[BluePegasus]

That Macro won't work on others that have a higher MP rate than the user is just plainly wrong and nothing more than some random assumption brought into this world by some random guy, that apparently is being used by many of you as a counter argument.

The effects of Macro don't have to do anything with the power level of others, not would it only twist the whole portrayal of Seilah but it's just some stupid fictitious logic.

As long as it won't get clearly defined, the capabilities of Macro will be depending on the way it has been described. As long as no restrictions will be stated or shown it's a plainly fact that Macro gives the user the ability to have fully control over anything. Does this say Macro is absolute and should be seen as the ultimate power in the Fairy Tail universe? No. I think all of us can enumarate some mages that have a way to counter it.

But you all just need to stop saying stupid things like "Macro won't work on Natsu because he is just too powerful" because that's just nonsense.

 

[Plutogrim]

Let's how Mirajane's Macro would work on Jacob.
Jacob would probably use his Invisibilty and Mirajane would use his Macro to find him.

 

[Takeover twin]

To be honest I actually doubt she'll be using seliah form again because I think she is still drained of magic power also she did get pierced in the heart

 

[Boomburst]

That Macro won't work on others that have a higher MP rate than the user is just plainly wrong and nothing more than some random assumption brought into this world by some random guy, that apparently is being used by many of you as a counter argument.

The effects of Macro don't have to do anything with the power level of others, not would it only twist the whole portrayal of Seilah but it's just some stupid fictitious logic.

As long as it won't get clearly defined, the capabilities of Macro will be depending on the way it has been described. As long as no restrictions will be stated or shown it's a plainly fact that Macro gives the user the ability to have fully control over anything. Does this say Macro is absolute and should be seen as the ultimate power in the Fairy Tail universe? No. I think all of us can enumarate some mages that have a way to counter it.

But you all just need to stop saying stupid things like "Macro won't work on Natsu because he is just too powerful" because that's just nonsense.

So according to you Mirajane can solo all the Spriggan 12 bar Irene and August because she can just Macro them all

"Does this say that Macro is absolute and should be seen as the ultimate power in Fairy Tail?" OF COURSE IT DOES. It literally gives Mirajane the power to no-diff anyone in the entire FT universe bar like two people. How is that not a completely and utterly broken magic?

 

[Axiomus]

In this arc, Mirajane's macro was ineffective against Wall's proxy bot, and Mirajane had to resort to using Alegria against Juliet and Heine. I would say Macro in Mirajane's hands is limited to working against people at around the level of the Spriggan's bodyguards or lower. Spriggans, and people who can beat Spriggans, are out of its league.

 

[Takeover twin]

So according to you Mirajane can solo all the Spriggan 12 bar Irene and August because she can just Macro them all

"Does this say that Macro is absolute and should be seen as the ultimate power in Fairy Tail?" OF COURSE IT DOES. It literally gives Mirajane the power to no-diff anyone in the entire FT universe bar like two people. How is that not a completely and utterly broken magic?

Correction it's actually a curse

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

Didn't Jackal state that their curses run on curse power rather than MP?Also Mira affected more people at once than Sayla was shown to be able to.

Macro is something like a ˝cheat˝power that authors in general rather restrict themselves from using,because it leads to a boring fight ( Macro,Robin's Hana Hana no mi, Mary with her black magic Virus etc.) The mains characters all portrayed to be people who overcome things in their way through will,friendship,love even though the odds are against them.It's just more fitting for good guys to win through skill or willpower than something ˝cheap˝.

 

[BluePegasus]

So according to you Mirajane can solo all the Spriggan 12 bar Irene and August because she can just Macro them all

"Does this say that Macro is absolute and should be seen as the ultimate power in Fairy Tail?" OF COURSE IT DOES. It literally gives Mirajane the power to no-diff anyone in the entire FT universe bar like two people. How is that not a completely and utterly broken magic?

Oh my god DID YOU READ WHAT I SAID?!?!

I think all of us can enumarate some mages that have a way to counter it.

Read it. R e a d i t. Where tf did I said I was referring to August and Irene only. Stop putting words in my mouth and try to learn how to start an actual debate.

 

[Doughboy]

In this arc, Mirajane's macro was ineffective against Wall's proxy bot, and Mirajane had to resort to using Alegria against Juliet and Heine. I would say Macro in Mirajane's hands is limited to working against people at around the level of the Spriggan's bodyguards or lower. Spriggans, and people who can beat Spriggans, are out of its league.

I agree Macro is a based-on-user's curse power type of thing. Mira, who doesn't have much if anything, did all she could do with hers. Makes you wonder how effective Bloodman's Macro would of been if he used it.

 

[Boomburst]

Oh my god DID YOU READ WHAT I SAID?!?!



Read it. R e a d i t. Where tf did I said I was referring to August and Irene only. Stop putting words in my mouth and try to learn how to start an actual debate.

Of course I fucking read what you said, and what you said was that it will affect anyone who doesn't have a direct counter to it. So tell me, what counter does Brandish have? Or God Serena? Or Jacob? Or Neinhart? Or Bloodman? Or Ajeel? Or Dimaria? Or Invel? Or Larcade? Maybe Wahl could possibly counter it somehow with his Weakness magic but regardless, if Macro really works the way you say it does then Mirajane has the power to solo like 95% of the FT universe. Who the hell are these other people that you claim have a direct counter to Macro?

 

[Takeover twin]

I agree Macro is a based-on-user's curse power type of thing. Mira, who doesn't have much if anything, did all she could do with hers. Makes you wonder how effective Bloodman's Macro would of been if he used it.

Probably has no effect even tho he isn't a demon but he has all the 9 gate powers which means macro wouldn't work on him he has ice devil slaying magic so he's basically invincible to macro

 

[Gabo]

I do not think the Macro power is overrated, but I consider it undervalued by some.

That power is one of those powers that practically decide victory depending on the adversary, but that for that the personages by Script or some strange reason decide not to use.

That does not reduce power, it is only a plot issue that is so that the character (especially the good side) is not all powerful and the opponents give battle.

Equal, limitations must have, is a matter of explaining them.

 

[Ebony Maw]

I agree Macro is a based-on-user's curse power type of thing. Mira, who doesn't have much if anything, did all she could do with hers. Makes you wonder how effective Bloodman's Macro would of been if he used it.

I wish I knew, it should be pretty great though (I'm still salty that he didn't try to use it).

As for Mira's.... tbh I'd say that anyone below J/H should be Macro'd, unfortunately for Mira most relevant characters are > J/H.

 

[Axiomus]

I'm guessing Macro wouldn't have been very effective against Gajeel, or Bloodman would have resorted to using it against him.
The strongest person we've seen Macro effect is X791 Erza, and since Mirajane has Seilah's soul she can probably effect people up to that level.
Overall, I don't think Macro would effect any Spriggans, or any characters capable of defeating the Spriggans.

 

[Doughboy]

Yeah if she only put half of Wall's Alvarez soldiers asleep I have my doubts how effective it would of been with Juliet and Heine. It's not an indictment on Mira's power, it's just she doesn't use curse power unless she's in Satan Soul.

 

[GamerSkull]

I assume Mirajane's Macro works like Gemini. Lucy can have Gemini transform into anyone that's on her level or lower. The same concept probably applies to Macro (with exceptions). It's possible the reason why Mira didn't use Macro on Irene's swords because they fit those requirements or because they weren't beings of any sort (Machias or Human) but just inanimate objects with enchantments.

 

[Jko]

PIS is the reason why hax characters don't use their hax in battle most of the time. Hiro actually wants to show a battle not a stompfest which is why Bradman didn't use Macro on Gajeel or Levy and why Mira didn't use Macro on Heine and Juliet. Can't and Not are two different things. Just look at Vol. 57 afterword where Hiro admits that authors don't like using hax because they can basically disrupt the power levels in a show.

Spoiler

Invel could've easily ended the fight with Gray by Ice Slaving him but no he wanted to duke it out with Gray for no reason.

Kyouka could've been stripped Erza senses but she duked it out with Erza for no reason.

Lucy could've just used Gemini to copy Flare or had Cancer beat her easily but Hiro rather shown her use a spectacular move instead.

Many cases where people rather use fisticuffs than rely on their hax. Or use overkill moves rather than moves that can finish the job just as fast.

 

[Boomburst]

PIS is the reason why hax characters don't use their hax in battle most of the time. Hiro actually wants to show a battle not a stompfest which is why Bradman didn't use Macro on Gajeel or Levy and why Mira didn't use Macro on Heine and Juliet. Can't and Not are two different things. Just look at Vol. 57 afterword where Hiro admits that authors don't like using hax because they can basically disrupt the power levels in a show.

Spoiler

So are you suggesting that Hiro's only plan to include hax in the story without breaking its framework is to make hax characters too stupid to use them?

Invel could've easily ended the fight with Gray by Ice Slaving him but no he wanted to duke it out with Gray for no reason.

Circular reasoning. This only works on the assumption that Ice Slave would still be effective after Gray's powerup.

Kyouka could've been stripped Erza senses but she duked it out with Erza for no reason.

But she DID strip Erza's senses, in fact the only reason she even lost at all was because of pure PoF bullshit.

Lucy could've just used Gemini to copy Flare or had Cancer beat her easily but Hiro rather shown her use a spectacular move instead.

Cancer is pretty useless considering that Flare's hair grows right back, and Lucy had no way of knowing that Gemini could copy Flare.

Many cases were people rather use fisticuffs rather than rely on their hax. Or use overkill moves rather than moves that can finish the job just as fast.

But WHY? This literally doesn't make any sense, your only excuse is that hax characters could easily win fights but they just choose to waste energy and magic, which is just ridiculous. Might as well just discount the use of hax anyways if the characters are going to be too stupid to use them.