Fantasy Mirajane vs Kyria

[WoWfan]

Are you saying Brian can't expel fire magic from his mouth when he can even create mouths on his hands? There's no need to argue about something that's obvious: it's a fire attack.

Yes, they had Dragon Slayer properties before Natsu received Ignia's amplifiers, and all of them were quickly rendered useless by Mercphobia. They were only able to do anything after Natsu dealt a lot of damage to Mercphobia. Natsu was responsible for Mercphobia's defeat; just look at the chapter. Gray, Erza, and Wendy contributed minimally.

Furthermore, this rhetoric doesn't contribute to your argument; quite the opposite. If Natsu, amplified by Ignia's power, needs Gray, Erza, and Wendy to defeat Mercphobia at less than half his power, due to Faris and Dogramad's nerfs, why would Lucy and Brandish be able to defeat the 100% version of Mercphobia with less damage than Natsu dealt to him?

That would be his hands that breathe fire not his mouth. It doesn’t really mean that it doesn’t damage them, again that is power difference. It is the same with Natsu and Aldoron initially, the former did one point of damage compared to like Zeref whose power was damaging Aldoron on mass. Merc was already damaged but Natsu said that his power was not enough which likely meant his was on a time limit. Because Lucy got stronger overtime like the other good guys while Brandish is Brandish given her position. That is the point of being a team, to get stronger together. Wendy could damage even Dog Dude’s stones with her power. At that point which is impressive.

 

[Rigel]

That would be his hands that breathe fire not his mouth. It doesn’t really mean that it doesn’t damage them, again that is power difference. It is the same with Natsu and Aldoron initially, the former did one point of damage compared to like Zeref whose power was damaging Aldoron on mass. Merc was already damaged but Natsu said that his power was not enough which likely meant his was on a time limit. Because Lucy got stronger overtime like the other good guys while Brandish is Brandish given her position. That is the point of being a team, to get stronger together. Wendy could damage even Dog Dude’s stones with her power. At that point which is impressive.

You're not making sense and haven't answered my questions. The fact that you're denying that Brian used fire magic, even though that's his way of fighting, completely undermines this discussion.

Natsu didn't reach his limit; he intended to keep fighting, so much so that Lucy had to intervene, restrain him, and tell him to stop.

Lucy grew stronger, but not to the point of overcoming Natsu with Ignia's flames (the character who granted the strongest fire amplifier Natsu has ever consumed), along with Erza, Gray, and Wendy helping (according to your rhetoric).

Your argument loses its meaning based on what I've already mentioned about the versions of Mercphobia.

 

[WoWfan]

You're not making sense and haven't answered my questions. The fact that you're denying that Brian used fire magic, even though that's his way of fighting, completely undermines this discussion.

Natsu didn't reach his limit; he intended to keep fighting, so much so that Lucy had to intervene, restrain him, and tell him to stop.

Lucy grew stronger, but not to the point of overcoming Natsu with Ignia's flames (the character who granted the strongest fire amplifier Natsu has ever consumed), along with Erza, Gray, and Wendy helping (according to your rhetoric).

Your argument loses its meaning based on what I've already mentioned about the versions of Mercphobia.

You didn’t answer my question first, where was the steam from his mouth when his mouth immediately after he did his projectile attack? He took his time to grin, show his teeth grew back and adjusted his jaw. It was just normal after a couple panels and then started to steam. **Maybe** that was when he will do an official fire breathe attack from the mouth but we’ll never know. Rage mode characters don’t tend to be aware of when they’re done especially running out of power, otherwise we would have seen that mode again, Natsu was probably good for one more blow had Lucy not intervened wasting the last of his power. Lucy with Brandish took hits from full power DF Merc, that is more than what Natsu could do. Natsu with Savage flames is stronger as he managed to barely beat FH Zeref. Gray with strategy and strength did defeat a full power DG though in human form. Mira defeated Daemon who destroyed the body of a full power Aldoron, the scaling matches

 

[Rigel]

You didn’t answer my question first, where was the steam from his mouth when his mouth immediately after he did his projectile attack? He took his time to grin, show his teeth grew back and adjusted his jaw. It was just normal after a couple panels and then started to steam. **Maybe** that was when he will do an official fire breathe attack from the mouth but we’ll never know. Rage mode characters don’t tend to be aware of when they’re done especially running out of power, otherwise we would have seen that mode again, Natsu was probably good for one more blow had Lucy not intervened wasting the last of his power. Lucy with Brandish took hits from full power DF Merc, that is more than what Natsu could do. Natsu with Savage flames is stronger as he managed to barely beat FH Zeref. Gray with strategy and strength did defeat a full power DG though in human form. Mira defeated Daemon who destroyed the body of a full power Aldoron, the scaling matches

Your question doesn't make sense because Brian is a fire mage, his attacks are based on consuming and releasing fire. You invented a fantasy that he spits out his own teeth to attack his target when he's never shown such an ability, yet we've seen him release fire from his multiple mouths.

And surprisingly, the answer to your question is right after Brian's attack, where smoke/steam comes out of his mouth, indicating his fire attack.

Brian's teeth are intact, there was no spell based on throwing his own teeth at the opponent.

Mercophobia is a discussion that comes to an end when the two fights in which he participated are analyzed.

 

[WoWfan]

Your question doesn't make sense because Brian is a fire mage, his attacks are based on consuming and releasing fire. You invented a fantasy that he spits out his own teeth to attack his target when he's never shown such an ability, yet we've seen him release fire from his multiple mouths.

And surprisingly, the answer to your question is right after Brian's attack, where smoke/steam comes out of his mouth, indicating his fire attack.

Brian's teeth are intact, there was no spell based on throwing his own teeth at the opponent.

Mercophobia is a discussion that comes to an end when the two fights in which he participated are analyzed.

No, it happened after his jaw is fixed, he grins and his teeth grew back, thus not immediate which defeats the point as part of the images you posted which are several panels apart from one another. That is separate from his dragon powers though which is a whole different set as that is what he is referring to. His fire powers did not work before in dragon form, what makes them work now? As streams of fire not physical bullets that don’t burn or have heat or anything. His teeth grew back after that attack, coincidence? I think not. In fact I will contest that was the remnant of Natsu’s flames that he stuffed down Brian’s throat. That’s right with the development of the characters along the way influences the fight.

 

[Rigel]

No, it happened after his jaw is fixed, he grins and his teeth grew back, thus not immediate which defeats the point as part of the images you posted which are several panels apart from one another. That is separate from his dragon powers though which is a whole different set as that is what he is referring to. His fire powers did not work before in dragon form, what makes them work now? As streams of fire not physical bullets that don’t burn or have heat or anything. His teeth grew back after that attack, coincidence? I think not. In fact I will contest that was the remnant of Natsu’s flames that he stuffed down Brian’s throat. That’s right with the development of the characters along the way influences the fight.

It turns out that fire works against Natsu; it's no wonder that Enny and Luso, with their collaborative magic, managed to trap Natsu in a sphere.

Natsu is highly resistant to fire, but not immune.

 

[WoWfan]

It turns out that fire works against Natsu; it's no wonder that Enny and Luso, with their collaborative magic, managed to trap Natsu in a sphere.

Natsu is highly resistant to fire, but not immune.

Only if it’s special of above his pay grade, and the only time the heat is too much is when the fire (Planck temperature) is no long considered fire as he can burn time itself. That is a binding technique not being damaged by it.

 

[Rigel]

Only if it’s special of above his pay grade, and the only time the heat is too much is when the fire (Planck temperature) is no long considered fire as he can burn time itself. That is a binding technique not being damaged by it.

And in the end, he's not immune to fire magic, he's just resistant to most of it.

 

[WoWfan]

And in the end, he's not immune to fire magic, he's just resistant to most of it.

resistant to the highest point where it stops being fire all together, that is where the resistance stops

 

[Rigel]

resistant to the highest point where it stops being fire all together, that is where the resistance stops

You're the one saying that.. The manga says something else.

Natsu isn't immune to fire magic; he's resistant to it. And of course, fire magic has multiple levels, like all magic.

 

[WoWfan]

You're the one saying that.. The manga says something else.

Natsu isn't immune to fire magic; he's resistant to it. And of course, fire magic has multiple levels, like all magic.

Manga doesn’t give much if not any conventional fire examples that burned Natsu. The highest level where Natsu can resist is flames that reach heat to burn time. Which is the limit of any fire/heat to actually exist.

 

[Rigel]

Manga doesn’t give much if not any conventional fire examples that burned Natsu. The highest level where Natsu can resist is flames that reach heat to burn time. Which is the limit of any fire/heat to actually exist.

Ignia's flames are capable of burning Natsu, Enny and Luso were able to trap him, and Brian injured him with fire magic (whether you say it's teeth or not, it was still a fire spell).

It all depends on the level of the spell Natsu is dealing with.

 

[WoWfan]

Ignia's flames are capable of burning Natsu, Enny and Luso were able to trap him, and Brian injured him with fire magic (whether you say it's teeth or not, it was still a fire spell).

It all depends on the level of the spell Natsu is dealing with.

Ignia’s flames are stated to be special, considering he admits water is a bad match for him apart from his flames. Trap, not burn. That is not fire magic as there is no proof those projectiles are. Even if they were they would have to have physical properties to have kinetic energy. Something Natsu can’t defend against.

 

[Rigel]

Ignia’s flames are stated to be special, considering he admits water is a bad match for him apart from his flames. Trap, not burn. That is not fire magic as there is no proof those projectiles are. Even if they were they would have to have physical properties to have kinetic energy. Something Natsu can’t defend against.

Oh sure, the fire mage doesn't use fire spells.

Special flames are still flames; they're just a higher level of fire magic, nothing more.

 

[WoWfan]

Oh sure, the fire mage doesn't use fire spells.

Special flames are still flames; they're just a higher level of fire magic, nothing more.

He has more than just fire spells which is good, diversity against someone who is all but immune to fire. Special flames that can still harm Natsu which are hax, god flames for example. Even blue flames affect him for their cold aspect nothing more, orange fire for their smell.

 

[Rigel]

He has more than just fire spells which is good, diversity against someone who is all but immune to fire. Special flames that can still harm Natsu which are hax, god flames for example. Even blue flames affect him for their cold aspect nothing more, orange fire for their smell.

He only has fire magic.

And blue, green, yellow, orange, pink, or whatever color you're thinking of, it's still fire. Fire magics at their different levels of power.

And this argument is over. I've already noticed that you and the other guy interpret things too literally.

Brandish and Lucy as capable of defeating Merc, Mira as superior to the Diabolus members, Wendy dominating Selene.

This kind of interpretation doesn't align with my perception of things. And I've already noticed that you're not going to change your mind.

 

[WoWfan]

He only has fire magic.

And blue, green, yellow, orange, pink, or whatever color you're thinking of, it's still fire. Fire magics at their different levels of power.

And this argument is over. I've already noticed that you and the other guy interpret things too literally.

Brandish and Lucy as capable of defeating Merc, Mira as superior to the Diabolus members, Wendy dominating Selene.

This kind of interpretation doesn't align with my perception of things. And I've already noticed that you're not going to change your mind.

Yeah no to that, he wouldn’t just hurt Natsu without something non-fire since his fire did not hurt him prior and he is certainly not burning time anytime soon. And that fire did not harm him but their effects affected him, that’s the point of special fire. Like how Zacrow is weaker than Atlas but Atlas flames are harmless to Natsu but Zacrow’s god flames are.

That’s fine, agree to disagree then.

 

[Darklord#10]

Honestly I want to choose kyria I don't see how mira beats kyria

 

[Rigel]

It depends on who is faster at using their special abilities: Macro or Hypnotic Slash.

But if we ignore that, Kiria would still be able to affect Mirajane in Daemon's form because the Dragon Slayer is capable of cutting magic, so intangibility wouldn't be a problem.

Mira's best bet would be to manipulate oxygen to explode Kiria.

I'd say it's 50/50, but Kiria has the advantage because she should be able to apply her hypnotic cut faster.

 

[WoWfan]

Mira takes this hands down at this point, Kyria is just fodder, she can’t compare to someone who destroyed Aldoron’s body (albeit unclear how long it took but is it still relative).