Fantasy Mirajane vs Kyria

[Vis]

She was two shotted by the empress flames armor and thats a fact.

I don't know where you're pulling your 'facts' from, but Kyria was not two-shotted at any point in the series. She was hit by a finisher from Erza and was standing alongside the other Dragon Eaters, ready for round two.

Secondly, Mashima wont consider Mira and Erza as the most reliable duo if they are not equal to each other. Even Jason viewed Erza and Mirajane as equal if we consider the stat given in gmg arc.

Mirajane and Erza being 'the most reliable duo' does not make them equals. How did you even get to that conclusion? That's like saying everyone who is in a specific team must all be equal to each other.

Jason? That's your reason? Jason? Really?

Third, it was stated that Mira has consumed all demons of Tartaros. She can use, Franmalth curse to absorb Kyria's magic. Or Seilah's macro to make her commit suicide. Oh by the way Seilah (with depleted curse power) almost choked Erza in the red pants and neo minerva, to death. Thanks to Mira they were saved.

Mirajane is literally featless with all these take-overs except for Seilah's, and it would be NLF to assume it would work against Kyria, so really, you're better off not mentioning it.

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Mira was shown to use Macro in base upon her intial use of it

And why would Macro work against Kyria?

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Wasn't it because of Erza's artificial half eye that the effect was halved?

If hypnosis is not restricted,neither Erza nor Mira would win though if Kyria intends to KILL them. That hypnosis seems to be an absolute one and will fade till the resticted time passes,that time is enough for Kyria to win.

Erza won over Kyria because of the Dragon Slaying Magic enchanted sword. Unless,Mira is DSM enchanted,she can win over Kyria.

Reread it, you're right. Kudos.

Unfortunately, this doesn't change my point.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

I don't know where you're pulling your 'facts' from, but Kyria was not two-shotted at any point in the series. She was hit by a finisher from Erza and was standing alongside the other Dragon Eaters, ready for round two.

--Nope she's already done. Thats why they retreated.



Mirajane and Erza being 'the most reliable duo' does not make them equals. How did you even get to that conclusion? That's like saying everyone who is in a specific team must all be equal to each other.

--It was not merely a conclusions w/o baseless proof. thats how they portrayed in the manga. The thing is your denying it even casual readers/viewers can say such. The way they drawn vs twilight ogre. Vs. Tartaros hencemen and vs acnolgia on the last arc.


Jason? That's your reason? Jason? Really?

--Yes, really. Because it was stated in the manga. And thats Mashima wants to portryed them. Unlike yours... it just your assumptions.



Mirajane is literally featless with all these take-overs except for Seilah's, and it would be NLF to assume it would work against Kyria, so really, you're better off not mentioning it.


-'Unless otherwise stated it will defenitely work on Kyria. Thats how things work.


And why would Macro work against Kyria?

--And why it would not??? Proof lies on you. She is not immune to it. Macro is absolute unless you can show proof otherwise. Base sayla with less than 10% curse power can invoked macro to Erza with red pants and neo minerva to choked themselves.


Reread it, you're right. Kudos.

Unfortunately, this doesn't change my point.
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[Jko]

I don't know where you're pulling your 'facts' from, but Kyria was not two-shotted at any point in the series. She was hit by a finisher from Erza and was standing alongside the other Dragon Eaters, ready for round two.



Mirajane and Erza being 'the most reliable duo' does not make them equals. How did you even get to that conclusion? That's like saying everyone who is in a specific team must all be equal to each other.

Jason? That's your reason? Jason? Really?



Mirajane is literally featless with all these take-overs except for Seilah's, and it would be NLF to assume it would work against Kyria, so really, you're better off not mentioning it.

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And why would Macro work against Kyria?

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Reread it, you're right. Kudos.

Unfortunately, this doesn't change my point.

Why wouldn't it?

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

--Nope she's already done. Thats why they retreated.

They retreated because Skullion knew he was outnumbered. She was still standing after eating a hit from Erza's dragon slayer sword.

--It was not merely a conclusions w/o baseless proof. thats how they portrayed in the manga. The thing is your denying it even casual readers/viewers can say such. The way they drawn vs twilight ogre. Vs. Tartaros hencemen and vs acnolgia on the last arc.

Irrelevant. Erza feats in Alvarez Eclipse any feat Mira has accomplished. Her 100 year Quest feats is yet to shown.

--Yes, really. Because it was stated in the manga. And thats Mashima wants to portryed them. Unlike yours... it just your assumptions.

That was from Jason point of view. According to this both Ren and Elfman has the same attack power as Natsu which is BS and Ren stats beside speed is par with Gray.

 

[Vis]

Nope she's already done. Thats why they retreated.

Getting 'two-shot' would require her to be incapacitated after said attacks, she was not. They retreated because they were, as Skullion admitted, 'at a disadvantage', not incapable of fighting back.

--It was not merely a conclusions w/o baseless proof. thats how they portrayed in the manga. The thing is your denying it even casual readers/viewers can say such. The way they drawn vs twilight ogre. Vs. Tartaros hencemen and vs acnolgia on the last arc.

Casual readers don't go into detail and analyse Fairy Tail and take it at face value. I understand why you think Mirajane is Erza's equal, but if you look at it just a little bit more critically, you'll see how absurd that is.

--Yes, really. Because it was stated in the manga. And thats Mashima wants to portryed them. Unlike yours... it just your assumptions.

It's not assumptions, lol. You actually used Jason, someone who doesn't know what goes on behind Fairy Tail's closed doors, as a reason, lol. He probably has never even seen the FT mages in an actual battle.

-'Unless otherwise stated it will defenitely work on Kyria. Thats how things work.

No, it does not lmao. That's NLF. You're committing an actual logical fallacy by claiming this. Tartarus demons, at this point, are all fodders. Franmalth does not possess feats that would allow him to absorb attacks from characters who can challenge current Erza.

Might as well claim he can absorb Acnologia's roar lol.

--And why it would not??? Proof lies on you. She is not immune to it.

Macro is absolute unless you can show proof otherwise. Base sayla with less than 10% curse power can invoked macro to Erza with red pants and neo minerva to choked themselves.

Proof does not lie on me. Proof lies on the one making the positive claim, which in this case, is none other than you. Macro has not shown to work against anyone on her calibre, ergo, we assume it won't.

Tartarus Erza and Neo Minerva are nobodies at this point.

Why wouldn't it?

Do you have any proof that it would work on someone on Kyria's level?

 

[Jko]

Getting 'two-shot' would require her to be incapacitated after said attacks, she was not. They retreated because they were, as Skullion admitted, 'at a disadvantage', not incapable of fighting back.



Casual readers don't go into detail and analyse Fairy Tail and take it at face value. I understand why you think Mirajane is Erza's equal, but if you look at it just a little bit more critically, you'll see how absurd that is.


It's not assumptions, lol. You actually used Jason, someone who doesn't know what goes on behind Fairy Tail's closed doors, as a reason, lol. He probably has never even seen the FT mages in an actual battle.



No, it does not lmao. That's NLF. You're committing an actual logical fallacy by claiming this. Tartarus demons, at this point, are all fodders. Franmalth does not possess feats that would allow him to absorb attacks from characters who can challenge current Erza.

Might as well claim he can absorb Acnologia's roar lol.




Proof does not lie on me. Proof lies on the one making the positive claim, which in this case, is none other than you. Macro has not shown to work against anyone on her calibre, ergo, we assume it won't.

Tartarus Erza and Neo Minerva are nobodies at this point.



Do you have any proof that it would work on someone on Kyria's level?

You have any proof it won't? Unless the hax has shown to be defeated by PL then I don't see a reason why it wouldn't work. Seilah used it on Erza and Minerva while in a state where she could get oneshotted by an exhausted Mira.

 

[Star Frost]

Mira was shown to use Macro in base upon her intial use of it

She used it on someone that was already under control of the Macro. In Alvarez she had to use her Mirajane-Seilah to use it on the fodders.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Getting 'two-shot' would require her to be incapacitated after said attacks, she was not. They retreated because they were, as Skullion admitted, 'at a disadvantage', not incapable of fighting back.



Casual readers don't go into detail and analyse Fairy Tail and take it at face value. I understand why you think Mirajane is Erza's equal, but if you look at it just a little bit more critically, you'll see how absurd that is.


It's not assumptions, lol. You actually used Jason, someone who doesn't know what goes on behind Fairy Tail's closed doors, as a reason, lol. He probably has never even seen the FT mages in an actual battle.



No, it does not lmao. That's NLF. You're committing an actual logical fallacy by claiming this. Tartarus demons, at this point, are all fodders. Franmalth does not possess feats that would allow him to absorb attacks from characters who can challenge current Erza.

Might as well claim he can absorb Acnologia's roar lol.




Proof does not lie on me. Proof lies on the one making the positive claim, which in this case, is none other than you. Macro has not shown to work against anyone on her calibre, ergo, we assume it won't.

Tartarus Erza and Neo Minerva are nobodies at this point.



Do you have any proof that it would work on someone on Kyria's level?

Then answer this questions. Why do you think Macro wouldn't work on Kyria?

When you want to MP as basis

why mest's memory control worked on brandish. When the latter has insane magic power than the former?

Why marin's ( brandish subordinate/ soldier)rule of the area magic cancelled out Jacob's ( a sprrigan) transport magic

Macro is a hax magic/curse, i repeat one of the hax magic/curse in fairy tail. It is a curse that use of an absolute control ( key word is absolute) to anyone whether alive, dead or inannimate object is irrelevant. So far only demon's take over is immune to it. Or unless you can do a kagebunshin technique times 100. Because it seems that macro is limited on the numbers that will be affected ( see Mirajane-Seilah vs Alvarez Soldiers)

And not unless stated in the manga that it can be negated because someone has a higher MP. ( I doubt you can you provide one)Then i will believe in you.

 

[Seven777]

Dont worry we’ll see if Mira can use Macro to beat Kyrias peers, Madmole and Skullion, next week. I’m gonna guess that she can’t do it lol

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Dont worry we’ll see if Mira can use Macro to beat Kyrias peers, Madmole and Skullion, next week. I’m gonna guess that she can’t do it lol

Zeref is gone. I wouldn't be surprise if all her etherious forms are all gone now.

 

[Star Frost]

Zeref is gone. I wouldn't be surprise if all her etherious forms are all gone now.

I actually thought of this as well. Since the book where they came from disappeared, so would they right? But who knows unless shown otherwise

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Dont worry we’ll see if Mira can use Macro to beat Kyrias peers, Madmole and Skullion, next week. I’m gonna guess that she can’t do it lol

If she tries the macro to them. And once it failed i will eat what i have said. Happy?

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

I actually thought of this as well. Since the book where they came from disappeared, so would they right? But who knows unless shown otherwise

We'll have to wait and see. Technically they should disappear.

 

[Jko]

She used it on someone that was already under control of the Macro. In Alvarez she had to use her Mirajane-Seilah to use it on the fodders.

That just shows she using the same one as Seilah's in base. She used it on 30+ of them simultaneously which is more than what Seilah has shown. Kyria is only one person which she has already shown to been able to do in Base.

 

[Seven777]

If she tries the macro to them. And once it failed i will eat what i have said. Happy?

Sure, but if she doesn’t use it at all, and still can’t win, that means it’s as useless as all hax is when it gets reintroduced the next arc(completely useless).

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Sure, but if she doesn’t use it at all, and still can’t win, that means it’s as useless as all hax is when it gets reintroduced the next arc(completely useless).

I doubt she wont win. This is the 3rd time that she was pissed by someone. And based on the last page of chapter 35 there is higher possibilities that she will beat both. And there is no need fo further hype these diabolos since the audience already know they capabilities besides they are boring. I want someone like minerva's attitude, kagura or even seilah those with intriguing personalities.

And lastly Plot wise it is better to continue this fairy tail brawl fest. And below fights should happen. But maybe Mashima still cant decide on the outcome. Thats why those were left hanging.

Erza vs Mirajane
Laxus vs Jellal
Natsu vs gray ( i hope gray will be tainted in white instead of Juvia)

 

[Seven777]

I doubt she wont win. This is the 3rd time that she was pissed by someone. And based on the last page of chapter 35 there is higher possibilities that she will beat both. And there is no need fo further hype these diabolos since the audience already know they capabilities besides they are boring. I want someone like minerva's attitude, kagura or even seilah those with intriguing personalities.

And lastly Plot wise it is better to continue this fairy tail brawl fest. And below fights should happen. But maybe Mashima still cant decide on the outcome. Thats why those were left hanging.

Erza vs Mirajane
Laxus vs Jellal
Natsu vs gray ( i hope gray will be tainted in white instead of Juvia)

Doubt it, Gray will be the one to beat Skullion. At best Mira beats Madmole, and I'm only half sold on that as well.

I agree finishing the FT brawl without the Dragon Eater's interference would be more entertaining though.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Doubt it, Gray will be the one to beat Skullion. At best Mira beats Madmole, and I'm only half sold on that as well.

I agree finishing the FT brawl without the Dragon Eater's interference would be more entertaining though.

Correct me if im wrong but Mirajane was pissed on Skullion not Madmole. And we already saw the fight between skullion vs Gray. He even used the devil slaying magic but was useless against Skullion. And it was already stated twice in the manga that Mirajane has no weaknesses (except her siblings)

I think she will pull some god demon takeover ( or Lucifer soul) to punish Skullion. Or she will inhale all the ashes and will treat it as an appetizer. I dont know Mashima can do those stuff. I'm excited for nextweek.

 

[Seven777]

Correct me if im wrong but Mirajane was pissed on Skullion not Madmole. And we already saw the fight between skullion vs Gray. He even used the devil slaying magic but was useless against Skullion. And it was already stated twice in the manga that Mirajane has no weaknesses (except her siblings)

I think she will pull some god demon takeover ( or Lucifer soul) to punish Skullion. Or she will inhale all the ashes and will treat it as an appetizer. I dont know Mashima can do those stuff. I'm excited for nextweek.

Dunno, and yeah, Gray got scrubbed, which is exactly why I think he's coming back for a rematch. Doubt Mashima will leave Gray's record tarnished. Plus Skullion is the front and center antagonist of this arc, doubt Mashima will waste him on a side character like Mira.

I'd say the best case scenario for Mirajane is that she puts up a decent fight against Madmole and Skullion together, but doesn't beat either. Worst case scenario, she, Elfman and Lucy all get scrubbed by Madmole and Skullion at the same time. I'm not sure which scenario is more likely.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Dunno, and yeah, Gray got scrubbed, which is exactly why I think he's coming back for a rematch. Doubt Mashima will leave Gray's record tarnished. Plus Skullion is the front and center antagonist of this arc, doubt Mashima will waste him on a side character like Mira.

I'd say the best case scenario for Mirajane is that she puts up a decent fight against Madmole and Skullion together, but doesn't beat either. Worst case scenario, she, Elfman and Lucy all get scrubbed by Madmole and Skullion at the same time. I'm not sure which scenario is more likely.

Ya Skullion seems like to Gray rival this arc with that ash molding magic that was foreshadowed during chapter 16. I feel like Skullion has more to give unlike Madmorl. But in case Mira beats both of them or atleast Madmorl then it's a feat for her. If she gets fodderzed by Skullion then she becomes hype for Skullion as well as Gray.