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Laxus says he likes his guild but he still does what Touka tells him to do
Laxus was willing to kill Erza. This white witch mind control is worse than Zeref's curse of contradicion.
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I will pass judgement on this after seeing how Mira fairs against Skullion and Madmor

Easiest way to settle this is simply to look at how Mirajane handles Skullion/Madmole. She should at least be able to beat Madmole if she wants to beat Kyria. I'm pretty sure oneshotting is out of the question though. Erza and Laxus did not oneshot Kyria.
I love to see Gajeel fight Madmorl if he doesn't end up fighting Gray. Even Gajeel comes with an crew, Madmorl can easily separate Gajeel from them by saying the magical word "You Not Stronger Than Natsu Dragneel" and making run for it. I am pretty sure Gajeel will follow him. Mira can just fight Skullion.
 

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I don't have enough time to reply to all of these points so I'll only address the ones I vehemently disagree with, sorry.
Kyria changed Erza's personality using her hypnosis. Current Mirajane personality is already her weakest one and she never went back to normal (her punkish and tomboyish attitude) . The only thing returned is her immense magical power. Thats why i dont think Kyria's hypnosis will work against Mirajane. Because by heart Mirajane is already weak due to past trauma she experienced before.

I might believe you if Kyria will fight the old Mirajane (her punkish attitude) then there something to cut there.
Just because Mira is more gentle than in her youth doesn't mean she'll see herself as weak. Modesty + being caring does not equal weakness.
Red lightining killed Whal. Secret art did not kill anyone. I dont need to repeat myself. If you cant get it. Then im sorry.
I've literally already explained this:

- Wahl is a Machias, therefor incredibly weak to electricity
- Laxus has already been hyped as one-shot killing Spriggans
- Red Lightning only worked because it had different properties to regular lightning and Wahl's Weakness couldn't analyse and defend against it in time

As I said before, Red Lightning is clearly a powerful spell but any mid-tier attack from Laxus could have killed Wahl if it weren't for his Weakness Magic.

On the other hand, the Secret Art is a Secret Art. A Slayers Secret Art has damn near always been the best spell in their arsenal - all not killing Kyria means is that Kyria has decent durability.
Macro failed because it cant be use to many people at the same time.
Show me a scan of this. In all the debates about Macro I've never seen this.
And Gray admitted that Alvarez soldiers are way stronger than the one they fought before.
He said they were stronger than the Avatar fodder. Being slightly stronger fodder shouldn't make much of a difference if Macro is as hype as some make it out to be.
And Mirajane use it on 30 soldiers at least. Kyria is only one. 30>1. Just like fairy law it has certain limitations on numbers of enemies. Or else you will compensate it by your life energy. Like what you said Mirajane already expected that some of them will not be affected. Because it was already use to 30 soldiers in the front.
Complete head canon. We've never been told that Macro works like Fairy Law in regards to numbers.
- demon superiority so far is macro's weakness and numbers of people being macroed at the same time.
If by "Demon Superiority" you mean Mirajane's resistance to Macro due to her Take-Over, all that means is that people who could be affected by Macro won't be if they practise the Satan Soul variant of Take-Over.

And again, show me evidence that numbers matter. There's no point mentioning numbers again and again when we have no source for this even being a weakness. Her Macro failed on fodder, Kyria is far above fodder. 30 fodder is not matching Kyria's strength, so if that is Macro's upper limits for Mira then Kyria should be fine.
J & H are swords that were enchanted with personalites they are different from inanimate object or person since they are already being controlled from the very start and possibly there already enchantment casted to them for protection if someone will try to control them. This is not a far fetch since they were considered by Irene as her children and her lieutenants.
This is absolutely far fetched. Just because Irene was fond of J/H doesn't suddenly mean she would give them a protection from being controlled. If this were the case why wouldn't Irene have given them better durability? Seems far more useful than a random protection from being controlled.
They even belittling Makarov's MP (which one of diabolo's member, wraith, find higher than his MP)
Belittling Makarov's MP isn't a good claim to J/H being good, it could easily just mean that they are arrogant as hell (like most of the characters from Alvarez).

MP means nothing in the grand scheme of things, the Spriggans made FT members crap themselves due to their MP yet they still got annihilated all the same.
Yet Jacob was defeated by Satan Soul in a single strike.
While fighting blind and for some reason not using Transport. Let's not pretend that Jacob wasn't restricted.
Even Mirajane was shocked that there someone capable of high enchantment. Like what i said before Irene has the full control against J & H because she was their creator and they will only listen to her. Even macro will likely fail to control them. Because it was a high enchantment. Unless you beat them by force until the enchantment is lifted or beat the enchantress itself. Irene even personally went to Mirajane's location even she saw Erza at that time.
Mira being shocked that Irene is capable of High Enchantment doesn't affect the standing of J/H at all, not sure what you're trying to get across here.

The stuff about Macro failing on J/H because only Irene can command them is complete head canon AFAIK, please show me evidence of this.
take note: Jacob was durable enough to take multiple hits from lucy (Taurus-clad and Lucy's kick (leo stardress), Natsu (series of fire dragon's claw), Leo's regulus light, Makarov (giant punch) ----but was only beaten by Natsu's blaze dragon king demolition fist.
BSS physicals are good, but we have no idea how their fight went. That punch may have just been the last in a long line of attacks or it could be the first hit she landed on him.

I'd lean more on the former though because not only is BSS having an unnamed punch on the level of FDKM Demo Fist absurd, but if BSS' unnamed punch is on that level then Mira needing Alegria to beat J/H is beyond stupid. They would be more durable than pretty much any Spriggan apart from August/Irene/maybe Larcade.
Even Seilah has not use macro on enchanted personalities before.
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Because she never encountered any living enchantments.

If Seilah can control corpses and inanimate objects then living enchantments really isn't that much of a stretch.
If Laxus already hype Mirajane in her Sitri form. Then Mirajane already has Seilah (limit release form) who can oneshotted Sitri, and Alegria who oneshotted J & H to the point that the enchantment was lifted. Its MP Alone evaporated the sea nearby. Which J & H find it ridiculous. I think that's already a feat considering they were with Irene all the time who was renowned due to tremendous aptitude of her MP - yet Mirajane in her Alegria form managed to terrify them.
Why would they fear Irene's MP? Not only is she an ally but its blatantly obvious to anyone that she's fond of them.

On the other hand Mira was an enemy they had drastically underestimated.

As for the sea feat, its impressive but all it means is that she has high MP. And as I mentioned earlier, when looking at the Spriggans it becomes very clear that high MP is nowhere near the most important factor in a fight.
Meaning Current Mirajane is >>>>>> GMG Mirajane. I still believe that Laxus will still hype Mirajane even until now.
Hype means damn near nothing when compared to feats. Look at the Spriggans - hyped as being unbeatable and then basically all of them except for August and Irene got stomped when faced with an actually strong character.

In the case of Mira, even if Laxus hyped her she still had to go all out against Spriggan subordinates.
Lucy, Leo, Virgo, Gray and even Natsu are still hyping Mirajane.
Why wouldn't they? Mira has always been held in high regard by her comrades.

The feats she as atm simply doesn't back that hype up, lets just look at the hyped peeps:

- Laxus (goes without saying this is deserved)
- Jellal (questionable given his recent showings but his performance pre-100YQ warrants this hype from an in-character perspective)
- Gajeel (considering his recent feats against Natsu this is somewhat deserved, clearly not as deserved as Laxus' but he's still strong)
- Mira (in the same boat as Jellal)

Honestly the problem of hype is that you always have to consider in-character knowledge and bias. Perfect example of this is the Spriggans. Makarov hyped the shit out of them but it made sense, he had spent a year in the capital and every Spriggan he met had crazy levels of MP, and he had no reason to be bias towards them because they were enemies. But when they actually fought FT? They got bodied and the hype died.

Now think about how Natsu hyped Mira/Gajeel/Jellal/Laxus. He didn't spend much of the Alvarez arc with any of them. Mira was either up North or in another part of Magnolia, Gajeel was up North and they only saw each other when they fought Acno, Jellal was in the South, was in a different part of Magnolia or was trying to distract Acno, and Laxus was in the South or a different part of Magnolia and they only met up when they fought Acno.

So at best the hype Natsu gave is only really reliable for Gajeel and Laxus. He hasn't actually seen Jellal fight since GMG, though he's at least fought Jellal in the past and knew he was strong then, and would have no reason not to be strong now - still, the hype could be unwarranted due to a lack of Natsu actually seeing Jellal fight during Alvarez/100YQ. As for Mira... I don't recall Natsu ever fighting Mira, nor seeing any of her fights after GMG/Tartaros. Much like with Jellal, the hype Natsu is giving her is mainly going off reputation rather than actual feats - thus doubt of this hype isn't unreasonable.

Now I'm not saying the hype is worthless, more that we should just be mindful that hype can be wrong. At the end of the day feats are going to be the majority of the argument, so my view on this could change drastically depending on Mira's condition or how she does next time we see her.
Even Skullion was not able to low diffed BSS, yet he was able do the same to DeS Gray ( yes this is debatable since the fight was mostly off paneled. and we havent seen Skullion use the black ash and absolute ash) but still this already a feat considering BSS is her weakest form.
You just killed your own argument. Skullion nor Mira have pulled out their aces yet, but Mira is the one who looks beat up and hasn't put a scratch on Skullion. Skullion hasn't low-diffed her yet since the fight isn't over, but the last we saw of Skullion vs Mira certainly makes it seem like a low-diff is happening.

Of course it currently is a 2 vs 2 and Mira definitely has the weakest link on her team, but its not like she's been tanking all of their attacks since Elfman has apparently been damaged enough to be knocked out of his Beast Soul.
Now if Mirajane is serious against lucy she can most likely one shot her using stronger spell or stronger takeover. In her fight against lucy. Mirajane never use stronger spell like Evil explosion or soul extinction or stronger takeover. I even doubt if she lay her hands against lucy. Because even shes being controlled by Touka her personality did not change. She even went mad against Skullion for erasing gemini- lisanna even lucy was terrified on Mirajane's aura.

Even Jellal was not serious against fighting Erza to the point that hes willing to protect Erza from Laxus and Kyria.
Yeah, she definitely wasn't going all out against Lucy.

Its hard to say whether or not she wouldn't lay her hands on her though, the WW control technique has affected certain characters way more differently than others. With Jellal we know he genuinely loves Erza in a romantic way, whereas with Mira/Lucy its more familial. Regardless, I don't doubt Mira would beat Lucy, I'm just not sure if she could do it as casually as Kyria did.
 

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I don't have enough time to reply to all of these points so I'll only address the ones I vehemently disagree with, sorry.

Just because Mira is more gentle than in her youth doesn't mean she'll see herself as weak. Modesty + being caring does not equal weakness.

I've literally already explained this:

- Wahl is a Machias, therefor incredibly weak to electricity
- Laxus has already been hyped as one-shot killing Spriggans
- Red Lightning only worked because it had different properties to regular lightning and Wahl's Weakness couldn't analyse and defend against it in time

As I said before, Red Lightning is clearly a powerful spell but any mid-tier attack from Laxus could have killed Wahl if it weren't for his Weakness Magic.

On the other hand, the Secret Art is a Secret Art. A Slayers Secret Art has damn near always been the best spell in their arsenal - all not killing Kyria means is that Kyria has decent durability.

Show me a scan of this. In all the debates about Macro I've never seen this.

He said they were stronger than the Avatar fodder. Being slightly stronger fodder shouldn't make much of a difference if Macro is as hype as some make it out to be.

Complete head canon. We've never been told that Macro works like Fairy Law in regards to numbers.

If by "Demon Superiority" you mean Mirajane's resistance to Macro due to her Take-Over, all that means is that people who could be affected by Macro won't be if they practise the Satan Soul variant of Take-Over.

And again, show me evidence that numbers matter. There's no point mentioning numbers again and again when we have no source for this even being a weakness. Her Macro failed on fodder, Kyria is far above fodder. 30 fodder is not matching Kyria's strength, so if that is Macro's upper limits for Mira then Kyria should be fine.

This is absolutely far fetched. Just because Irene was fond of J/H doesn't suddenly mean she would give them a protection from being controlled. If this were the case why wouldn't Irene have given them better durability? Seems far more useful than a random protection from being controlled.

Belittling Makarov's MP isn't a good claim to J/H being good, it could easily just mean that they are arrogant as hell (like most of the characters from Alvarez).

MP means nothing in the grand scheme of things, the Spriggans made FT members crap themselves due to their MP yet they still got annihilated all the same.

While fighting blind and for some reason not using Transport. Let's not pretend that Jacob wasn't restricted.

Mira being shocked that Irene is capable of High Enchantment doesn't affect the standing of J/H at all, not sure what you're trying to get across here.

The stuff about Macro failing on J/H because only Irene can command them is complete head canon AFAIK, please show me evidence of this.

BSS physicals are good, but we have no idea how their fight went. That punch may have just been the last in a long line of attacks or it could be the first hit she landed on him.

I'd lean more on the former though because not only is BSS having an unnamed punch on the level of FDKM Demo Fist absurd, but if BSS' unnamed punch is on that level then Mira needing Alegria to beat J/H is beyond stupid. They would be more durable than pretty much any Spriggan apart from August/Irene/maybe Larcade.

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Because she never encountered any living enchantments.

If Seilah can control corpses and inanimate objects then living enchantments really isn't that much of a stretch.

Why would they fear Irene's MP? Not only is she an ally but its blatantly obvious to anyone that she's fond of them.

On the other hand Mira was an enemy they had drastically underestimated.

As for the sea feat, its impressive but all it means is that she has high MP. And as I mentioned earlier, when looking at the Spriggans it becomes very clear that high MP is nowhere near the most important factor in a fight.

Hype means damn near nothing when compared to feats. Look at the Spriggans - hyped as being unbeatable and then basically all of them except for August and Irene got stomped when faced with an actually strong character.

In the case of Mira, even if Laxus hyped her she still had to go all out against Spriggan subordinates.

Why wouldn't they? Mira has always been held in high regard by her comrades.

The feats she as atm simply doesn't back that hype up, lets just look at the hyped peeps:

- Laxus (goes without saying this is deserved)
- Jellal (questionable given his recent showings but his performance pre-100YQ warrants this hype from an in-character perspective)
- Gajeel (considering his recent feats against Natsu this is somewhat deserved, clearly not as deserved as Laxus' but he's still strong)
- Mira (in the same boat as Jellal)

Honestly the problem of hype is that you always have to consider in-character knowledge and bias. Perfect example of this is the Spriggans. Makarov hyped the shit out of them but it made sense, he had spent a year in the capital and every Spriggan he met had crazy levels of MP, and he had no reason to be bias towards them because they were enemies. But when they actually fought FT? They got bodied and the hype died.

Now think about how Natsu hyped Mira/Gajeel/Jellal/Laxus. He didn't spend much of the Alvarez arc with any of them. Mira was either up North or in another part of Magnolia, Gajeel was up North and they only saw each other when they fought Acno, Jellal was in the South, was in a different part of Magnolia or was trying to distract Acno, and Laxus was in the South or a different part of Magnolia and they only met up when they fought Acno.

So at best the hype Natsu gave is only really reliable for Gajeel and Laxus. He hasn't actually seen Jellal fight since GMG, though he's at least fought Jellal in the past and knew he was strong then, and would have no reason not to be strong now - still, the hype could be unwarranted due to a lack of Natsu actually seeing Jellal fight during Alvarez/100YQ. As for Mira... I don't recall Natsu ever fighting Mira, nor seeing any of her fights after GMG/Tartaros. Much like with Jellal, the hype Natsu is giving her is mainly going off reputation rather than actual feats - thus doubt of this hype isn't unreasonable.

Now I'm not saying the hype is worthless, more that we should just be mindful that hype can be wrong. At the end of the day feats are going to be the majority of the argument, so my view on this could change drastically depending on Mira's condition or how she does next time we see her.

You just killed your own argument. Skullion nor Mira have pulled out their aces yet, but Mira is the one who looks beat up and hasn't put a scratch on Skullion. Skullion hasn't low-diffed her yet since the fight isn't over, but the last we saw of Skullion vs Mira certainly makes it seem like a low-diff is happening.

Of course it currently is a 2 vs 2 and Mira definitely has the weakest link on her team, but its not like she's been tanking all of their attacks since Elfman has apparently been damaged enough to be knocked out of his Beast Soul.

Yeah, she definitely wasn't going all out against Lucy.

Its hard to say whether or not she wouldn't lay her hands on her though, the WW control technique has affected certain characters way more differently than others. With Jellal we know he genuinely loves Erza in a romantic way, whereas with Mira/Lucy its more familial. Regardless, I don't doubt Mira would beat Lucy, I'm just not sure if she could do it as casually as Kyria did.
● Then it is absurd that Laxus was feel suddenly weak? When from the start of the series he boast himself as someone who is possibly stronger excluding Guildarts. Like what i said trauma caused Mirajane to shift her attitude from someone who is boastful about her capabilities to someone who can cry just by calling her an idiot. I hope we had a better explanation about having a weak heart.

● i'll say it again. Red lightning has been describe as spell that is beyond lightning. It doesnt matter the properties because it actually killed a spriggan. Even Jura was not killed by roaring thunder. If a spell killed someone on higher caliber because it weakness can not be identified then it is much stronger.

● Macro has been used against Erza, Neo Minerva, plus the 4 exceeds simultaneousely. And Mirajane basically stole Seilahs body. This is the same Seilah who macroed Erza, Neo Minerva+ 4 exceeds.
Point still stand that Macro was effective to 30 soldiers. Unless you can prove that those who resisted were stronger. Like what i said Seilah never used macro on 30 more people unless you can show proof. Or else she will went directly to the guild and macro them all. And Tartaros erza is > Seilah. Yet Seilah was able to control her.

● like what i said J & H already tanked a bigger version of evil explosion w/ little to no damage proof of their durability. They are Irene , the strongest female spriggan, liutenants for a reason. Like what i said Irene consider them as her children. So there is a possibly enchantment has been made to protect them. If she can enchant the alvarez soldiers, neinhart, bloodman, whal. Then whats the reason why she cant possibly put an enchantment protect those two from being controlled by someone, when in fact she consider them her children? She even went directly to Mirajane when Mirajane beat the two. That was the the time She saw Erza. And she almost clash with August because she want to beat Mirajane to death for beating the two.

●Mirajane beat Jason in single strike from her BSS. Which she failed to do against J & H ( this already in the manga and in the anime if you want to disprove then go) . And Jason took a direct hits from Natsu's dragon claws , 2 stardress from Lucy, Leo's regulus punch, Makarov giant punch. He was only beaten by Dragon king mode.

● We have already seen Satan Soul struggling in her opponent like J & H. Next thing you know Mirajane will pull a new takeover. Same thing will happen to Skullion and Madmole. Wraith is down, Kyria is down, Sticky Guy will be massacred soon. I doubt Skullion and Madmole will be the saving grace of Diabolos. They will go down possibly in the next chapter. And there is no indication that Mirajane is already in low MP unlike in her previous fights.

●Im a little confident that fairy tail brawl fest will continue. After diabolos is out. Who knows.
 
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This is my final response since it doesn't seem like either of us will budge on our stances.
● Then it is absurd that Laxus was feel suddenly weak? When from the start of the series he boast himself as someone who is possibly stronger excluding Guildarts. Like what i said trauma caused Mirajane to shift her attitude from someone who is boastful about her capabilities to someone who can cry just by calling her an idiot. I hope we had a better explanation about having a weak heart.
Personally I've said all along, I dislike the "I'm weak" loophole.

But just because one character is powerful but thinks they are weak, it doesn't extend to another. Mira has 0 reason to believe she's weak:

- Lisanna is alive, thus the guilt of her 'dying' should be gone
- The only person she's truly lost to has been Irene, second best of the S12 and a god damn Dragon
- Her guild holds her in high regard

What could possibly make her feel weak?
● i'll say it again. Red lightning has been describe as spell that is beyond lightning. It doesnt matter the properties because it actually killed a spriggan. Even Jura was not killed by roaring thunder. If a spell killed someone on higher caliber because it weakness can not be identified then it is much stronger.
You're literally ignoring canon. The entire point of Red Lightning is that it only worked because Wahl's Weakness Magic couldn't analyse it.

"If a spell killed someone on higher caliber because it weakness can not be identified then it is much stronger"

That logic makes no sense at all because it only applies to Wahl. It also completely ignores that the purpose of Weakness Magic is specifically to create counters to Magic. For instance, say Wahl was fighting Laxus but Natsu sneaks up on Wahl. Up to this point Wahl has straight up ignored any lightning attack Laxus has used against him thanks to his Weakness Magic, even no-selling the casual nuke that was hyped to kill Ajeel. As this is going on Natsu comes out of nowhere and uses a base roar. Wahl is hurt by this. Is that roar suddenly better than the casual nuke? No. The difference is that Natsu's attack is different to lightning and thus Wahl's Weakness was useless against it.

That's the difference between Red Lightning and Laxus' other attacks. Wahl even says:
He can't analyse it so he can't change his own defences. Thus Red Lightning kills him, as once Laxus got passed his lightning immunity there was nothing circumventing Machias' natural weakness to electricity. The Thunder Tribe even comment about how Wahl is Laxus' worst match up:
If the people who are closest are inclined to believe that Laxus could do nothing, and the enemy himself also believes that, then why would the strength of the spell matter? Hint - it doesn't. Red Lightning is not stronger than Roaring Thunder, it was simply the only spell that would actually get through Wahl's Weakness Magic because it was too different for Wahl to analyse in time (notice how Laxus attacks with normal lightning first and only then switches to Red Lightning? That gave Wahl barely any time to analyse it, and he paid for that shortcoming with his life).
● Macro has been used against Erza, Neo Minerva, plus the 4 exceeds simultaneousely. And Mirajane basically stole Seilahs body. This is the same Seilah who macroed Erza, Neo Minerva+ 4 exceeds.
Point still stand that Macro was effective to 30 soldiers. Unless you can prove that those who resisted were stronger. Like what i said Seilah never used macro on 30 more people unless you can show proof. Or else she will went directly to the guild and macro them all.
Power scales have changed massively since Tartaros. Tartaros Erza and Neo Minerva would get absolutely bodied by any of the better fighters in Alvarez/100YQ. Jura was superior to both of them at the time. In fact during Tartaros he might even body them in a 2 vs 1. Yet now he's basically fodder. Macro controlling Tartaros-level characters doesn't mean much now.

The fact that the only time Macro has been used some fodder resisted should be enough to hint that its not the force it used to be.

(Personally I'm still not sure how to evaluate shit like Macro/AgeSeal/etc., I'm taking this stance for now though because otherwise there's literally no interesting discussion in threads like these)
● like what i said J & H already tanked a bigger version of evil explosion w/ little to no damage proof of their durability. They are Irene , the strongest female spriggan, liutenants for a reason. Like what i said Irene consider them as her children. So there is a possibly enchantment has been made to protect them. If she can enchant the alvarez soldiers, neinhart, bloodman, whal. Then whats the reason why she cant possibly put an enchantment protect those two from being controlled by someone, when in fact she consider them her children? She even went directly to Mirajane when Mirajane beat the two. That was the the time She saw Erza. And she almost clash with August because she want to beat Mirajane to death for beating the two.
Firstly, Historia Bradman/Wahl were never enchanted.

Secondly, the enchant she puts on people doesn't allow her to control people. In the case of Neinhart everything hints that there was some connection between them ("Remember who you are..."). As for the Alvarez soldiers, her spell seemingly did the opposite of controlling them, rather it transformed them and rid them of their sentience.

As for why she wouldn't put enchantments on them preventing them being controlled... its just a weirdly specific enchant to place on them. Irene had no idea at all that there was someone who had the potential ability to control them. Why enchant them with something so oddly specific? In 99% of situations its a pointless enchant. If she was going to enchant them with anything it should have been an increase in damage or durability, an actual practical use of her powers.
●Mirajane beat Jason in single strike from her BSS. Which she failed to do against J & H ( this already in the manga and in the anime if you want to disprove then go) . And Jason took a direct hits from Natsu's dragon claws , 2 stardress from Lucy, Leo's regulus punch, Makarov giant punch. He was only beaten by Dragon king mode.
I'm sorry... are you really going to try and say BSS Mira one punched Jacob? Because if so then you're basically saying that one punch from BSS is equal to all the attacks you just listed + an FDKM Demo Fist. Even just reading that should make you realise how absurd that argument is.

If a full Magic blast from BSS could only superficially damage J/H and she could only one-shot them in Alegria, how the hell is one punch from BSS downing Jacob?

It is far more logical to assume that since the fight was off-panelled, Jacob and Mira had already traded numerous blows and that was just the finisher.
● We have already seen Satan Soul struggling in her opponent like J & H. Next thing you know Mirajane will pull a new takeover. Same thing will happen to Skullion and Madmole. Wraith is down, Kyria is down, Sticky Guy will be massacred soon. I doubt Skullion and Madmole will be the saving grace of Diabolos. They will go down possibly in the next chapter. And there is no indication that Mirajane is already in low MP unlike in her previous fights.
She wasn't on low MP last time we saw her but a lot has happened since then. Even if she isn't, if Alegria drains a lot of MP from her it would make sense for any new/better form to drain her just as quickly, if not more.

I'd also be careful not to get your hopes up about her pulling out a new form against Skullion/Madmole. You say you doubt they are the saving grace of Diabolos but so far they've both been pretty impressive. Madmole hasn't been KO'd yet and tanks FDKM Demo Fists well, and Skullion has been damn near untouchable and seemingly almost killed Gray.
 

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This is my final response since it doesn't seem like either of us will budge on our stances.

Personally I've said all along, I dislike the "I'm weak" loophole.

But just because one character is powerful but thinks they are weak, it doesn't extend to another. Mira has 0 reason to believe she's weak:

- Lisanna is alive, thus the guilt of her 'dying' should be gone
- The only person she's truly lost to has been Irene, second best of the S12 and a god damn Dragon
- Her guild holds her in high regard

What could possibly make her feel weak?

You're literally ignoring canon. The entire point of Red Lightning is that it only worked because Wahl's Weakness Magic couldn't analyse it.

"If a spell killed someone on higher caliber because it weakness can not be identified then it is much stronger"

That logic makes no sense at all because it only applies to Wahl. It also completely ignores that the purpose of Weakness Magic is specifically to create counters to Magic. For instance, say Wahl was fighting Laxus but Natsu sneaks up on Wahl. Up to this point Wahl has straight up ignored any lightning attack Laxus has used against him thanks to his Weakness Magic, even no-selling the casual nuke that was hyped to kill Ajeel. As this is going on Natsu comes out of nowhere and uses a base roar. Wahl is hurt by this. Is that roar suddenly better than the casual nuke? No. The difference is that Natsu's attack is different to lightning and thus Wahl's Weakness was useless against it.

That's the difference between Red Lightning and Laxus' other attacks. Wahl even says:
He can't analyse it so he can't change his own defences. Thus Red Lightning kills him, as once Laxus got passed his lightning immunity there was nothing circumventing Machias' natural weakness to electricity. The Thunder Tribe even comment about how Wahl is Laxus' worst match up:
If the people who are closest are inclined to believe that Laxus could do nothing, and the enemy himself also believes that, then why would the strength of the spell matter? Hint - it doesn't. Red Lightning is not stronger than Roaring Thunder, it was simply the only spell that would actually get through Wahl's Weakness Magic because it was too different for Wahl to analyse in time (notice how Laxus attacks with normal lightning first and only then switches to Red Lightning? That gave Wahl barely any time to analyse it, and he paid for that shortcoming with his life).

Power scales have changed massively since Tartaros. Tartaros Erza and Neo Minerva would get absolutely bodied by any of the better fighters in Alvarez/100YQ. Jura was superior to both of them at the time. In fact during Tartaros he might even body them in a 2 vs 1. Yet now he's basically fodder. Macro controlling Tartaros-level characters doesn't mean much now.

The fact that the only time Macro has been used some fodder resisted should be enough to hint that its not the force it used to be.

(Personally I'm still not sure how to evaluate shit like Macro/AgeSeal/etc., I'm taking this stance for now though because otherwise there's literally no interesting discussion in threads like these)

Firstly, Historia Bradman/Wahl were never enchanted.

Secondly, the enchant she puts on people doesn't allow her to control people. In the case of Neinhart everything hints that there was some connection between them ("Remember who you are..."). As for the Alvarez soldiers, her spell seemingly did the opposite of controlling them, rather it transformed them and rid them of their sentience.

As for why she wouldn't put enchantments on them preventing them being controlled... its just a weirdly specific enchant to place on them. Irene had no idea at all that there was someone who had the potential ability to control them. Why enchant them with something so oddly specific? In 99% of situations its a pointless enchant. If she was going to enchant them with anything it should have been an increase in damage or durability, an actual practical use of her powers.

I'm sorry... are you really going to try and say BSS Mira one punched Jacob? Because if so then you're basically saying that one punch from BSS is equal to all the attacks you just listed + an FDKM Demo Fist. Even just reading that should make you realise how absurd that argument is.

If a full Magic blast from BSS could only superficially damage J/H and she could only one-shot them in Alegria, how the hell is one punch from BSS downing Jacob?

It is far more logical to assume that since the fight was off-panelled, Jacob and Mira had already traded numerous blows and that was just the finisher.

She wasn't on low MP last time we saw her but a lot has happened since then. Even if she isn't, if Alegria drains a lot of MP from her it would make sense for any new/better form to drain her just as quickly, if not more.

I'd also be careful not to get your hopes up about her pulling out a new form against Skullion/Madmole. You say you doubt they are the saving grace of Diabolos but so far they've both been pretty impressive. Madmole hasn't been KO'd yet and tanks FDKM Demo Fists well, and Skullion has been damn near untouchable and seemingly almost killed Gray.
Satan Soul knock out Jacob in one Strike. The anime is not contradicting the manga. She only use Satan Soul once . Jacob was even surprised about the transformation spell Mirajane used. Like what i said J & H were strong enough to beat Satan Soul and to tanked Mirajane's evil explosion like it was nothing proof of their durability. And like what i also said in my previous post that Jacob already took a direct hits from Natsu, Lucy, Leo and Makarov proof of his durability and he never went knock out at any point the only thing he didnt also survived was FDKM. its up to you to deny it.

And im pretty sure that Alegria can one shot Kyria, Actually even Halphas, Sitri, Limit Release Seilah. Unless Kyria is intangible or with armor like Madmole.

 
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so who has the right to be Laxus' woman :teehee
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btw, @Seven777 change description to Mirajane challenges Kiria for Laxus' attention.
Of course, how foolish of me to forget.
 

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this has to be close.

they are both :Thirst for Laxi :teehee
Mira hears Kira say she wants to eat Laxus and beats the snot out of her. She forgoes just using Macro just to make the beating sweeter. Laxus admires the sadism of his beloved and like a true gentleman takes her on a date and makes the she-devil feel like a goddess. Then after the date...something, something, p-13 and up-something :hurrgasm
 

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Mira hears Kira say she wants to eat Laxus and beats the snot out of her. She forgoes just using Macro just to make the beating sweeter. Laxus admires the sadism of his beloved and like a true gentleman takes her on a date and makes the she-devil feel like a goddess. Then after the date...something, something, p-13 and up-something :hurrgasm


what if Bluenote comes in and asks them Can you fly?
 
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Kyria has to go DF in her next fight, after her loss we have seen everything her base self has to offer, there'd be no point giving her a third fight unless she goes DF. Plus of the three main DEs she's obviously the craziest, she'll break the rules and go DF. I hope Mira is the one to beat her, and that she does it in front of Laxus.
Mira smashes.
Yeah, she smashes Laxus all night long
 

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this has to be close.

they are both :Thirst for Laxi :teehee
lol i didnt know that emoji exists until now lmaoooo what even is that
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Mira hears Kira say she wants to eat Laxus and beats the snot out of her. She forgoes just using Macro just to make the beating sweeter. Laxus admires the sadism of his beloved and like a true gentleman takes her on a date and makes the she-devil feel like a goddess. Then after the date...something, something, p-13 and up-something :hurrgasm
i read this seriously at first and was like "hmm ok...ok...nothing wrong, oh wait why did it become like this lol he went too far" :lmao

on a serious note, based on skullion forbidding nebal to use DF I am not too sure if kyria will go df next but i can see she somehow gets cornered by someone and has to resort to df.
 

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Only chance Kyria has is hypnosis (not counting potential DF atm).

If it works, Kyria wins. Otherwise Mira should mid-diff at worst.
 

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LFMAO 🤣🤣🤣



you gotta tell me what program you use to do that.

damn, I forgot how ugly Bluenote is and how stupid his name is as well 😂 😂😂
"inCollage" editor. It's on the google playstore lol.
 

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Now, that Mirajane fight against Skullion is over.

I see Mirajane winning this high diff. Base Satan Soul is not beating Kyria. She'll need to Alegria to truly defeat Kyria.
 
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