Most evil One Piece character?

Which character(s) do you think is/are the most evil?

  • DonQuixote Doflamingo

    Votes: 33 41.8%
  • Sir Crocodile

    Votes: 10 12.7%
  • Thunder "god" Eneru

    Votes: 15 19.0%
  • Gecko Moria

    Votes: 5 6.3%
  • The Shabondi Tenryuubito

    Votes: 31 39.2%
  • Captain Blackbeard

    Votes: 12 15.2%
  • Captain Eustace Kid

    Votes: 3 3.8%
  • The Gorousei World Leaders

    Votes: 20 25.3%
  • Fleet Admiral Sengoku

    Votes: 6 7.6%
  • Admiral Aokiji

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Admiral Kizaru

    Votes: 2 2.5%
  • Admiral Akainu

    Votes: 21 26.6%
  • Doctor Vegapunk

    Votes: 4 5.1%
  • King Vapolo

    Votes: 6 7.6%
  • Captain Kuro

    Votes: 4 5.1%
  • Chief Jailer Shiryuu

    Votes: 14 17.7%
  • Fishman Arlong

    Votes: 9 11.4%
  • Captain Morgan

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • Rob Lucci

    Votes: 12 15.2%
  • Spandam (Lucci's Boss)

    Votes: 17 21.5%
  • Empress Boa Hancock

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Bellamy the Hyena

    Votes: 5 6.3%
  • Don Krieg

    Votes: 3 3.8%
  • Luffy? :blink

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Total voters
    79
  • Poll closed .

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Which villain that has appeared so far do you think is the most evil?

My vote goes for DonQuixote Doflamingo. He's an extatically cackling completely amoral nihilist, and world-class sadist, without any values whatsoever, who gets his kicks out of world-spanning slaver-rings, and forcing friends into fighting each other to death. That's pretty much the definition of absolute evil as I see it. I really hate his type of person.

But there have been plenty of really really nasty characters, including Sir Crocodile and Gecko Moria.

Which character(s) do you find most revolting?
 
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The most evil I think are the Gorousei and the Tenryubito. Anyone against them is killed or becomes a slave.

They live in a way that makes Wapol seem humble.

They did who knows what in the lost history and that's how they came to power, and if anyone tries to find out what it was, they're killed. Obviously because whatever it was it was something atrocious. They're deceiving the entire world to protect their sick ways

I hate them

I think Doflamingo and BB aren't evil. They're just neutral
 
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Agreed about the Tenryuubito being completely despicable, but imho Doflamingo is every bit as bad as they are. At least they're mostly ignorant idiots, whereas he does exactly the same things (slavery of the worst kind, forcing friends and loved ones to fight each other to death for his amusement), knows exactly what he's doing, takes much more extatic pleasure in it, and doesn't care beyond being cheerful about pissing off anyone with a shred of ethics. I see his type as a blend of Mussolini and the Joker.
 
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Most Evil Character??
Hmmm. Well People aren't inherently Evil per-se, but their actions are.
That being the case Doflamingo is the most nefarious and cold hearted pirate we have seen up to now. But as part of the OP world Psychology he's not out of order.

I don't think anyone we have met has been wholly good or evil.
Especially on the Marines/WG side.

Machiavelli wrote: "...there will be traits considered good that, if followed, will lead to ruin, while other traits, considered vices which if practiced achieve security and well being for the Prince."

In the end I think the Tenryuubito would be the most "pathological" with the minds of serial killers they rule the commoners....
 

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Well, I'd have agreed with you a few years back, but going by my experiences online (the legalise rape of minors, put anyone with a handicap in a camp, nihilism is great praise Chthulhu, and bullying people to commit suicide in inventively sadistic ways is hilarious crowd) and old studies of Nazi Germany, I'd say that a large part of humanity tends to leap at the chance to do unspeakable things for very flimsy reasons, especially the ones who think in terms of ideology rather than unthinking casual inconsideration or cruelty, i.e. want to put atrocities into system.

I've read a bit of Machiavelli, including that quote, and he would definitely qualify as one of the most genuine forms of evil as I see it, meaning completely in-control, no mitigating circumstances whatsoever, absolutely ruthless, underhanded manipulative and honourless, calculated amoral malevolence, so I'm not sure if I'd consider quoting him a good source to excuse Doflamingo, but yes, sometimes avoiding catastrophe requires distasteful methods. The problem with Machiavelli's type of absolutely amoral people is that they tend to argue for using it as an all-encompassing first option while rhetorically "overlooking" that fact.

I also disagree that the One Piece series itself has a completely amoral tone. When the WG destroys an entire country or Crocodile plots to slaughter millions these are not presented as good things, and the value of comradeship, honour, compassion, and courage in the face of injustice are major running themes. The Strawhats themselves, excepting Nico Robin, despite calling themselves pirates, haven't really gone around slaughtering and plundering civilians, or done anything worse than "stealing" some money as payment for their services. I'd more liken them to independent revolutionaries (in the "independent violent social workers opposing any wannabe mass-murderers and standing up for each other" sense, not murderous enough to warrant someone quoting "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" as I see it) or somesuch. I'd also say that there have been a few characters that are almost as good as people come (Chopper, the Princess of Alabasta, Tashigi) and others literally as bad as what humanity is capable of producing (Doflamingo, Moria, Crocodile, the Tenryuubito, possibly certain WG leaders given their willingness to nuke civilians, but we don't know the full story yet).

If the series has a message I'd say it is that just because someone is part of some "side" and tries to do some good doesn't mean that other members of this side can't do the sort of things he or she hates personally, or that the other side can't contain plenty of honourable people, or that systems of chaos and order can both contain good and evil people or methods/that it's hard to find any uncompromised organisation to join, and that intense desperation and fear can drive othervise decent people to do horrible things, whichever you prefer. In fact I find it refreshingly upbeat, kind, imaginative, and optimistic compared to some of the really hollow, eroding, and sadistic stuff out there, like Bleach or Death Note for example.
 
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If the series has a message I'd say it is that just because someone is part of some "side" and tries to do some good doesn't mean that other members of this side can't do the sort of things he or she hates personally, or that the other side can't contain plenty of honourable people, or that systems of chaos and order can both contain good and evil people or methods/that it's hard to find any uncompromised organisation to join, and that intense desperation and fear can drive othervise decent people to do horrible things, whichever you prefer. In fact I find it refreshingly upbeat, kind, imaginative, and optimistic compared to some of the really hollow, eroding, and sadistic stuff out there, like Bleach or Death Note for example.
I absolutely agree with the above quote and in therefore was trying to say good and evil exist in all realms. By no means do I excuse Doflamingo or any character deemed good or evil for any of their actions. I actually chose that Machiavelli quote to touch on the theme of corruption that runs through the series. I found it especially relevant with the war in play and the acts we have seen by the followers of "absolute justice". We see forces on all "sides" exhibiting both good and evil acts. While I do agree Doflamingo is one nasty rotten S.O.B. The issue is in semantics. Indeed there are a lot of people with good and bad tendencies.. no one is evil. The marines view of evil would differ greatly from a member of WB's crew. My point was to show that everyone has some motive and under that mental assumption finds justification.

Good and Evil are learned concepts (That many still don't understand properly) and not things in born into people. Its a condition of society.

However Doflamingo is a flippin' psychopath and the Tenryuubito are delusional. They exhibit "Evil" characteristics, but are not composed of 100% pure evil. Nor is Humanity.
 
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To some degree sure, but I've never been able to really relate to the whole "It's only learned" perspective, beyond that intense enough conditioning from early on can either override or play up the instinctual patterns and tendencies for genuine conscience, compassion, and deep distaste for horrible acts. But a lot of people seem to be completely lacking those, and _only_ go through mechanical motions of self-preservations, which I can't relate to either. I'm raised without any religion whatsoever, and mostly without interference, and my views of good and evil generally seem pretty inherent (mostly nature rather than nurture), in the manner of getting deep disturbed nauseous reactions to the more intense filth out there. I remember always reacting much the same way even since I was really small, but I may or may not be an odd man out there. I can't read minds. Some relate to starting out evil when small and learning to be good through conditioning, whereas I've heard other relate to the opposite process, which is more my side of it as well.

Anyway, regardless of personal motivations driving them, i.e. the "anyone who objects to us going around to rape and mutilate children is an evil bigoted fascist racist" manner of personal objectives mixed with rationalising "let's bring this to a bigger scale" ideology, anyone like Doflamingo or the Tenryuubito would qualify as completely evil, with nothing good in them whatsoever by my standards, with the small aber that the Tenryuubito are apparently mostly blinkered idiots, whereas Doflamingo appears informed (i.e. the whole "Anything whatsoever can be justified with the right slogan and objectives differ so why care whatsoever? Let's put up a genocide camp in the back yard and create a "Lord of the Flies" situation as a social experiment to pass time" deal that is my face of the most genuine absolute vileness humanity is capable of producing, to the extent of putting virtually any Nazi in history to extreme shame) and takes joy in doing exactly the same things, since he's an embodiment of no values whatsoever except too-cool stylish sadism.

(Yeah, I have a major hangup about his type of person. They're the only kind of human beings who I can't find any redeeming qualities in whatsoever, or for that matter any hope of redeeming even the slightest. They're like a memetic cancer that simply drag anyone else down into the abyss with them. Mentally and any other way witin their reach.)
 
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Just on Doflamingo, I don't think we've seen anything close to the depths which he has stepped in. A Slave House and murdering his sub-crew is bad, sure. But merely ways in which he highlights the evil in the world. If he's truly a Nihilist then he basically sits back in neutral ground and watches as the world grows cold around him. That said, sometimes simply sitting back or only having indirect hands in things can be seen as more evil than someone who goes around killing for the pleasure of it.

There have been a few "evil" people in this manga, but most of them have had some sort of redemption. Of all the characters we've seen the full story of (and thus we are able to judge it) Enel is currently the most evil and possibly the only insane antagonist in One Piece thus far (though Moria has some psychological issues).

I don't feel we have enough to judge on people such as Blackbeard, Doflamingo, Gorousei, Tenryuubito and Akainu. Tenryuubito are also a grouping of people, we've only seen 3 bad ones it might not be a true representation of their depths.
 

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Well, it's the whole "highlighting/embracing the worst aspects of the world to the full degree while taking extreme pleasure and trying to look as cool as possible when doing so" bit, meaning the sheer sanity/awareness of exactly what he's doing and delighting in it that makes his type so chilling and despicable imho. Just because this author mostly skims over the more graphic details of what certain characters do, to not make the story too dark and depressing, doesn't mean that they don't do just as bad or worse things as in morbid horror settings. Or would you call a real-world rape-slaver morally neutral?

Enel on the other hand seemed bat**** insane, or at the very least really out of touch delusional, and it's called mental _illness_ for very good reasons, but yeah he also behaved like a major bastard.

Very good point about just a few of the Tenryuubito being seen yet though. Just because some of them are creeps doesn't mean all of them are. That's much of the idea of One Piece.
 

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Doflamingo is insane, not exactly evil. The tenryuubito are evil.
 

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crocodile for sure, he never did anything good in the entire manga which wasnt for his own goals
 

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Crocodile , he was about to sacrifice a million people for his plans , and he is also quite known how to betray and turn his back on people...I always thought Crocodile was one sick bastard and even recently that has not change since he escaped Impel Down and helped Luffy mostly because of his own interests at hand.
 

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Crocodile too, this guy is just... Evil, sacrificing a lot of people just for the sake of his goals, and scheming some incredibles plans... This guy is really evil, there's Enel too, Tenryuubito...
 

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As far as im concerned, Crocodile is as evil as Captain Kuro, their personalities aren't far off from each other in fact i'd say Oda took Kuro's personality when he made Crocodile, their both quite cold, calculating, and they have little to no care for their followers nor partners. Just Croco is loved more because he's more powerful.

Shiryu aint too charming for he just loves killing anyone, the guards he saw as incompetant didn't get off too easy either it looks.

flamingo does have nihilistic views but he aint quite that evil, maybe for the fact that he keeps picking up new recruits and then dropping them at a moments notice when their in trouble.

Eneru aint too charming, he thinks himself greater than anyone, and he doesn't care if he has to kill everyone in the world just to proove he's greater.

I wouldnt forget Arlong, he killed Nami's parents and made her work for him, blackmailing her with the lives of the villagers and her sister, and for years he performed extortion and killed many other humans. I fear he may have had an ulterior motive and goal to proove fishmen superior because of the attrocities we've heard have been performed on the fishmen, but it doesn't make what he's done right.

Nor would I forget Morgan, he attacked his saviours without hesitation, and killed his crew members if they showed any fear without hesitation.

I think I find the Tenryubuto more menacing though, for their spoilt attitude, they treat the entire world like their property, spit and kick others, taking whoever they want to become their wife or slave. Almost anyone that encounters them seems to end up with memories that can scar them for a long time to come!
Edit: OK THE TENRYUBUTO THAT WE HAVE THUS FAR SEEN, just to be politically correct with this thread! lmao
 
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Doflamingo ain't quite evil?
Oh yes he is. He gets points for owning a slave trade business alone.
Killing and abandoning his own men doesn't help.
He's clearly a sadistic evil man.

And has an annoying laughter.
 

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I'd go with Doflamingo,him or Rob Lucci.

a poll would be nice on this particular thread.
 

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I fixed it. If you think several characters are too close to call, just select each.
 
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Honestly I think Kaidou could be very very cold blooded.
 

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I've chosen Doflamingo, Crocodile, the Tenryuubito, Arlong and Spandam.
They all just kill, play with the others'life for their own pleasure/interest.
 

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Sorry, I forgot Kaidou (and the other villainous Yonkou), since we haven't seen him yet, but he seems to build up into a major future enemy.
 
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