Discussion Mystery Team SPAIN

[mathematicianrcg]

I like this order, but well it's all strongly speculative. The HSers might end up being really strong.

Not too relevant but Oishi was pretty strong up until all the other players caught up while he was injured. He lost to Prefecturals! Ryoma 6-3 (same Ryoma that had just won against Akutsu 6-4 breaking his serve twice, and for all we know Oishi got his broken only once). I think that during the prefecturals only Tezuka, Fuji and Ryoma were better than him.

Do you think somebody will have POP or TNK aside from Mars (you predicted him to have it right?)

Maybe Ryoga since he is an Echizen. And Brother of Ryoma.

I think Medanore doesnt have TNK. He will probably like Volk who can fight against Aura Players without any Aura.

 

[Hardy]

Do you think somebody will have POP or TNK aside from Mars (you predicted him to have it right?)

Maybe Ryoga since he is an Echizen. And Brother of Ryoma.

I think Medanore doesnt have TNK. He will probably like Volk who can fight against Aura Players without any Aura.

Yeah I think Mares might have it but it's a shot in the dark. If I'm right about him playing Kiko in S3 then maybe he has a similar skill as Kiko but done through data or sth (which is why he barely won both sets).

Ryoga is the perfect candidate to get the Ultimate Aura imo.

 

[Ganonslayer101]

Do you think somebody will have POP or TNK aside from Mars (you predicted him to have it right?)

Maybe Ryoga since he is an Echizen. And Brother of Ryoma.

I think Medanore doesnt have TNK. He will probably like Volk who can fight against Aura Players without any Aura.

Ryoga likely also has TnK and will likely bust out Ultimate Aura (Then we might get a more solid understanding of its buff)

Medanore will likely have Kijin and 2 of them at that. His match is with Tokugawa and besides Ryoma, he's the only Kijin user left.

Also Kijin has been the core power up introduced in NPoT so i can't imagine it not popping up for the final/ second to final match.

 

[Hardy]

Also Kijin has been the core power up introduced in NPoT so i can't imagine it not popping up for the final/ second to final match.

Maybe each Medanore has a different Kijin and Tokugawa's evolved Asura needs to "fight" 2v1.

 

[ShadowHeart]

Think Romeo will unlock a Kijin against Atobe?

 

[Ganonslayer101]

Maybe each Medanore has a different Kijin and Tokugawa's evolved Asura needs to "fight" 2v1.

That's exactly my thinking

 

[Ganonslayer101]

Kinda like he switches to another completely different player so he can’t consume his tennis and has to start again from scratch. Consume might take some time to kick in.

I bet Ryoga has more things up his sleeve, even if consume doesn’t work against Medanore I’m sure he has yet another technique even more broken, I see them as equals but Ryoga possibly has something else hidden that gives him the upper hand.

I don't think Ryoga has anything more broken than consume. That's kind of the peak of ridiculous abilities, plus it serves as a parallel to Yips so it makes sense as his ultimate ability. However, i just think he isn't reliant on it.
Like even if he can't Consume, he just plays his regular S-Tier Tennis.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Yeah I think Mares might have it but it's a shot in the dark. If I'm right about him playing Kiko in S3 then maybe he has a similar skill as Kiko but done through data or sth (which is why he barely won both sets).

Ryoga is the perfect candidate to get the Ultimate Aura imo.

I remember the one Matched up against Kintaro is Seda. Not Mares. They even have a flashback story against anarenoma. (Or whatever the spelling of the fake country)

Mares is matched up against Ohmagari.

I think Konomi finally decided to show us why Ohmagari is #6. We are always clueless why he is #6. Since even genius 7-10 have more feats than him so far. All he did was Nitoryu. And his only Tourney game. He was outplayed by Peter in their doubles. (Didnt Peter/Henri Won 6-1 or sth against Ohmagari/Kite?)

If we are right that Mares is Spain's Second Strongest Hser. And with TNK.

Then Ohmagari must have something up his sleeve to make the match at least competitive.

 

[LetalHawk]

I remember the one Matched up against Kintaro is Seda. Not Mares. They even have a flashback story against anarenoma. (Or whatever the spelling of the fake country)

Mares is matched up against Ohmagari.

I think Konomi finally decided to show us why Ohmagari is #6. We are always clueless why he is #6. Since even genius 7-10 have more feats than him so far. All he did was Nitoryu. And his only Tourney game. He was outplayed by Peter in their doubles. (Didnt Peter/Henri Won 6-1 or sth against Ohmagari/Kite?)

If we are right that Mares is Spain's Second Strongest Hser. And with TNK.

Then Ohmagari must have something up his sleeve to make the match at least competitive.

Ohmagari showed a new variant of Nitoryu plus two new techniques vs Shiraishi/Tanegashima and managed to return Mu. He has more than enough feats imo.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Ohmagari showed a new variant of Nitoryu plus two new techniques vs Shiraishi/Tanegashima and managed to return Mu. He has more than enough feats imo.

I think he have some recorded techniques in his databook. But not shown yet. Like the white dragon or something.

I still think we will see a Powerup for him. Or should I say we will see hi true power he was not yet able to show.

Especially, if @Hardy and Myself's prediction are correct that Mars is Spain's Second Best Hser.

 

[Hardy]

That's exactly my thinking

Ganon we've agreed on everything this past week

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I think he have some recorded techniques in his databook. But not shown yet. Like the white dragon or something.

I still think we will see a Powerup for him. Or should I say we will see hi true power he was not yet able to show.

Especially, if @Hardy and Myself's prediction are correct that Mars is Spain's Second Best Hser.

Ohmagari used 2 of those moves to counter Tanegashima's Voids in 381, they seem crafted to directly face Tanegashima 1 on 1. Not too sure they will do much against the Spanish (maybe the 9 cm demon can help him snap out of Seda's control? Unlikely).

Kaoz had tried to figure them out here. He got the 2 we saw wrong but A for effort.

Ohmagari would need an evolution if he faced Mares directly, but given this is doubles he will probably stand his ground and do an ok job from the get go.

 

[LetalHawk]

Mares will probably have a serve similar to full power Mach like Ochi, given his height and sniping abilities he also seems to have an injuring playstyle like Kirihara. I’d be surprised if he has some variant of DM

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Mares will probably have a serve similar to full power Mach like Ochi, given his height and sniping abilities he also seems to have an injuring playstyle like Kirihara. I’d be surprised if he has some variant of DM

Yeah. I also thought of this too.

Mares, I think will have a Special Serve in his arsenal. He is a Sniper after all.

But I expect him to have more than that. He might also have a trick under his sleeves in regular rally.

PS:

Hot Take: I think Germany Players have better base than Spain Players. But Spain Players have better hax and tricks (illusion, mind control, etc)

For ex:

Volk Base > Medanore Base but
Medanore Hax > Volk Hax

Or

Bismarck Base > Romeo's Base but
Romeo's hax > Bismarck's hax

Germany seems like to overvalue and overemphasize Base tennis. Their 2 Original best Players (Volk and Bismarck) kinda relies heavily more on their base. Even QP (the new #2) before his Ultimate Aura.

Spain on the other hand is more open to tricks, illusion, creativity, etc.

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Maybe each Medanore has a different Kijin and Tokugawa's evolved Asura needs to "fight" 2v1.

Since, Tokugawa have Asura path.

I think its a given that Medanore will have Indra path as his Kijin. Or any god that rivals asura in mythology or folklore.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

PREDICTION ON MEDANORE'S ABILITY

1. SPLIT PERSONALITY WITH 2 DIFFERENT PLAYSTYLE ( BOTH VERY STRONG)

2. INDRA PATH KIJIN ( TO COUNTER TOKUGAWA'S ASURA)

3. AMBIDEXTROUS ( ONE PERSONALITY IS RIGHT HANDED, THE OTHER ONE IS LEFT HANDED)

4. FLASHY AND TRICKY TECHNIQUES ( LIKE FUJI'S) BUT BUFFED VERSION

5. ((DK WHAT WILL IT BE BUT HE NEEDS SOMETHING IN THE LEVEL OF VOLKNADO AND 8 CONSCIOUSNESS. )

 

[Ganonslayer101]

PREDICTION ON MEDANORE'S ABILITY

1. SPLIT PERSONALITY WITH 2 DIFFERENT PLAYSTYLE ( BOTH VERY STRONG)

2. INDRA PATH KIJIN ( TO COUNTER TOKUGAWA'S ASURA)

3. AMBIDEXTROUS ( ONE PERSONALITY IS RIGHT HANDED, THE OTHER ONE IS LEFT HANDED)

4. FLASHY AND TRICKY TECHNIQUES ( LIKE FUJI'S) BUT BUFFED VERSION

5. ((DK WHAT WILL IT BE BUT HE NEEDS SOMETHING IN THE LEVEL OF VOLKNADO AND 8 CONSCIOUSNESS. )

I don't think he'll have #4.
Something consistent with the Foreign players is that they tend to focus more on high BST coupled with like 1 or 2 Unique moves and then a Gimmick.
Zeus controls Pace. Bismarck has Twist, Spinless and is Good at Tiebreaks. Amadeus has Darkside and Balanera. Etc..
I think Volk is the Only outlier, and even then His Time Loop is just a named Gimmick.
Romeo instead has 3 Gimmicks in Fear Induction, Stamina Reset and Hormone control so maybe that sets the tone.
Spain might emphasize unique playstyles over techniques.
Nanjiro is their coach and his only known specials are Twisted and Samurai Zone. He otherwise focused on playstyle abilities like split-step, Nitoryu and Concentration Raising. Of course we know little of Nanjiroh, but we can super impose early Ryoma's moves onto him since it was mentioned that prior to Drive B, Ryoma'svtennis was all a copy of Nanjiroh

 

[mathematicianrcg]

I don't think he'll have #4.
Something consistent with the Foreign players is that they tend to focus more on high BST coupled with like 1 or 2 Unique moves and then a Gimmick.
Zeus controls Pace. Bismarck has Twist, Spinless and is Good at Tiebreaks. Amadeus has Darkside and Balanera. Etc..
I think Volk is the Only outlier, and even then His Time Loop is just a named Gimmick.
Romeo instead has 3 Gimmicks in Fear Induction, Stamina Reset and Hormone control so maybe that sets the tone.
Spain might emphasize unique playstyles over techniques.
Nanjiro is their coach and his only known specials are Twisted and Samurai Zone. He otherwise focused on playstyle abilities like split-step, Nitoryu and Concentration Raising. Of course we know little of Nanjiroh, but we can super impose early Ryoma's moves onto him since it was mentioned that prior to Drive B, Ryoma'svtennis was all a copy of Nanjiroh

Interesting.

Medanore is nicknamed "Genius Maverick". Thats why I assumed he is more of a hax/tricky guy than Base.

Do you think he will be more base than hax???

Personally, I think he will be more hax than base.

 

[Ganonslayer101]

Interesting.

Medanore is nicknamed "Genius Maverick". Thats why I assumed he is more of a hax/tricky guy than Base.

Do you think he will be more base than hax???

Personally, I think he will be more hax than base.

No i definitely think he'll be more Hax then base, I just don't think he'll have a wide variety of named tricks, I wouldn't compare him to Fuji to be clear.
I forget which thread i did it in, but i theorized that the "Genius Maverick" title comes from the 2 Widly varied playstyles I think his personalities will use. You never know what he'll do because his gameplan changes on the fly. To draw a comparison I think it'll be a mix of Akutsu in Eight Conciousness and Tanegashima's bottle cap trick. I suspect he can change his shot at the last second, but even he doesn't know what it'll be if he swaps control.
To onlookers who don't know his deal he just looks like a very strong player who plays wildly unconventional tennis, thus the title of "Genius Maverick"

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Do you guys think Medanore will came out and be stronger than Volk?

 

[Ganonslayer101]

Do you guys think Medanore will came out and be stronger than Volk?

It would only make sense. He was already hinted to be equal, and now he's recovered.
But also from a meta sense, as the final opponent and as the conclusion of Tokugawa's arc then I think he has to be stronger so that Tokugawa can surpass Byoudin.

 

[LetalHawk]

It would only make sense. He was already hinted to be equal, and now he's recovered.
But also from a meta sense, as the final opponent and as the conclusion of Tokugawa's arc then I think he has to be stronger so that Tokugawa can surpass Byoudin.

Ofc, Medanore would have been stronger than Volk if not for his injury. He’s back at the game at 100% so he’ll be stronger than Volk in the end. Toku will surpass Byo by beating a man who is stronger than the top player of the tourney who gave Byo the match of his life.

Then Ryoga: “hold my beer, I’m the strongest here”.

Will Ryoga be the biggest threat and stronger than Volk and Medanore? Possibly.