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I don't believe that's true at all. If anything he'd be more susceptible now after all this garbage. Before the whole ancestor powers thing, it would be the only legitimate way that Naruto could surpass Hashirama.
Pssh...all Hashirama has is his wood.

 

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It is questionable but a its claimed in the manga and I don't mean from Konohamaru... We don't really know how bad an Uchiha attack could be and how worse then (let's say) the Kurama event this would lead in weakening the village.
It's a claim, but the very fact that the village has been devastated several times already is what makes it's questionable. And if they were "worst" then the Kyuubi, then surely Danzo would have thrown that in as a factor when he was blackmailing Itachi. There wouldn't have been any reason to leave that out.
 

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Prediction for next chapter:

 

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At this point in the story, I find any argument defending Naruto or supporting his decision to not have the bijuu killed to be extremely stupid. Why?

The bijuu became Juubi. Madara became bijuu jinchuuriki. Majority of the world is under Infinite Tsukuyomi and the people will probably die from having their chakra taken. if Naruto OR Sasuke dies, the world is doomed. Kaguya came back and seems to be on the highest level of power, especially if it took two people to beat her, the Sage and his brother. After all this, the decision to kill the bijuu was better. The whole "but killing the bijuu wouldn't have achieved peace or permanent peace!" is legitimately a very stupid argument, sorry Roman.

Logically, the bijuu should be mad at Naruto for not protecting them or letting them become part of the Juubi. I'm pretty sure they'd prefer death because at least they can regenerate and keep their identity. Plus, Madara would not have been crazily overpowered, nor would the world be in Infinite Tsukuyomi. Peace can't be achieved if the bad guy wins and the good guys don't survive. At least with the bijuu "dead," the chances of permanent peace would be so much higher.
 

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It's only stupid, since we couldn't have known that Kishi dropped one huge ton of bullshit of retcons and bad twists after another. Who could have known that the writing would go from bad to worst. Nobody could have predicted that with the total change of our understandingof of the ninja world within the last ten to twenty chapters.

Hindsight is 20/20!
 

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Is anyone having issues with mangapanda? everytime i go there now i get a message on chrome saying its a malware site now.
 

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Well... it is for anyone using a mobile phone, already complained about it needing a ban[on MH] a couple months ago.
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

It's only stupid, since we couldn't have known that Kishi dropped one huge ton of bullshit of retcons and bad twists after another. Who could have known that the writing would go from bad to worst. Nobody could have predicted that with the total change of our understandingof of the ninja world within the last ten to twenty chapters.

Hindsight is 20/20!
Nah, it's stupid either way because Naruto let the bijuu fall into enemy hands. Excuses don't work, results do, and the result is that we have THE most powerful being back and trying to take chakra, and if one hero does, the other won't win, and the world is doomed. If Naruto really cared about the bijuu, he'd have kept them safe or done anything to make sure they didn't become part of the Juubi again.
Is anyone having issues with mangapanda? everytime i go there now i get a message on chrome saying its a malware site now.
It started yesterday for me, dunno if it's continuing. I'm using Firefox with Ad BLock.

MangaReader is such a douche site though.
 

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I wonder how Kishi is going to handle the reveal of Kakashi's face. What if there's no physical reason he wears it? I was expecting to see a nasty scar but for all we know it could just be part of his honour code or something. Possibly a tradition related to the Hatake family
 

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Question, is there any oficial version of what colored kaguya looks like?

Also, any thoughts on the idea that the kaguya clan might be the actual descendants of those who inherited hamura's body? Kaguya just used a bone release technique and her markings kinda look like the ones kimimaru had back in the day.
 

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Question, is there any oficial version of what colored kaguya looks like?
No. Since you are reading the manga, it's unlikely there would be one that you are not aware of.
 

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I would say it's very likely that Kimimaru is one of the direct descendents, his hair looks similar too aside from the obvious bone connection.
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

Question, is there any oficial version of what colored kaguya looks like?

Also, any thoughts on the idea that the kaguya clan might be the actual descendants of those who inherited hamura's body? Kaguya just used a bone release technique and her markings kinda look like the ones kimimaru had back in the day.
I am not sure if Hamura was able to use bone release, but there's a chance that one of the sons (or another unintroduced kid for all we know) had the gene, or both sons had the gene, and there was marriage within the family, then that increases the chances of the gene being passed on. HOwever, I dunno if science works here, as much as I'd love to do a Punnett Square. <_<

Maybe the gene was recessive in both sons and only activated in certain few descendants or if something happened, like how the Sharingan awakens. But is Kaguya her given name or clan name? If it's her given name, then I'm not totally sure if the Kaguya clan descended from her. Though, the name could have come out of respect or fear of Kaguya. *shrugs*
 

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I am not sure if Hamura was able to use bone release, but there's a chance that one of the sons (or another unintroduced kid for all we know) had the gene, or both sons had the gene, and there was marriage within the family, then that increases the chances of the gene being passed on. HOwever, I dunno if science works here, as much as I'd love to do a Punnett Square. <_<

Maybe the gene was recessive in both sons and only activated in certain few descendants or if something happened, like how the Sharingan awakens. But is Kaguya her given name or clan name? If it's her given name, then I'm not totally sure if the Kaguya clan descended from her. Though, the name could have come out of respect or fear of Kaguya. *shrugs*
We haven't seen hamura yet so there is a fair bit of speculation. Still, if the descendants of hamura who got his body turned out to be the guys from the kaguya clan then it would make sense for him to have had it as his mother did. It doesn't seem like the bone KG was a recessive trait but its strength did vary between users. It is plausible there were offshots of the kaguya clan that had different powers though. The senju and uzumaki seem to have a variety of abilities attributed to them and evidence so far points to both coming from ashura. Since those who inherit the body of the sages seem to be more related to its chakra it is plausible that the chakra can react to different people and present unique results...
 

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Why would it? Kimimaro was the only one who could use the bone techniques out of at least five people in his clan. Maybe Hamura didn't get the genes even though it shouldn't have been diluted as it likely was generations later.

Could be, but even with the offshoots, all Senju have Senju powers and all Uzumaki seem to have Uzumaki powers. Should make sense all Kaguya should have bone powers, but we only know of one Kaguya. I think it was more of the parents and the focus of clan that made Uzumaki different. They focused on sealing and had chakra that increased their longevity, something that Senju didn't have. The first Uzumaki's parents were probably Senju and someone from a powerful clan that was able to give their descendant the long lives. Someone in Uzumaki probably decided to dabble in seals as they saw potential.

Did Kimimaro show the ability to use his bone techniques at an early age, or did it awaken for some reason?
 

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What are the "Senju powers"?
 

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Why would it? Kimimaro was the only one who could use the bone techniques out of at least five people in his clan. Maybe Hamura didn't get the genes even though it shouldn't have been diluted as it likely was generations later.

Could be, but even with the offshoots, all Senju have Senju powers and all Uzumaki seem to have Uzumaki powers. Should make sense all Kaguya should have bone powers, but we only know of one Kaguya. I think it was more of the parents and the focus of clan that made Uzumaki different. They focused on sealing and had chakra that increased their longevity, something that Senju didn't have. The first Uzumaki's parents were probably Senju and someone from a powerful clan that was able to give their descendant the long lives. Someone in Uzumaki probably decided to dabble in seals as they saw potential.

Did Kimimaro show the ability to use his bone techniques at an early age, or did it awaken for some reason?
When did the manga ever say that? All I recall the manga saying on the matter was that kimimaru's powers were stronger on him than in the rest of the clan. There was never any mention of his clanmembers not having his power. Also, even if it was a recessive trait it would be remarkably weird that kaguya's own sons would be skipped.

I would be surprised if there was a clan that could actually strengthen the senju/uzumaki... I mean, where would they get the genes for that? The senju and uchiha were all kinds of awesome and an objectively superior breed of human beings because of their fundamentally divine origins. We are talking about genes that could improve that. I guess there might have been breeding between ofshots of kaguya's descendants but that would still be weird. I admit it is weird that the uzumaki would have common traits among them that the senju do not have though. Maybe a senju just awakened the traits and was able to pass it on to his descendants...

I think he showed it at an early age... It was why orochimaru took him in. I guess the question is how early though.

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What are the "Senju powers"?
Whatever it is that the senju inherited from kaguya and allowed them to best the uchiha clan....
 

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When did the manga ever say that? All I recall the manga saying on the matter was that kimimaru's powers were stronger on him than in the rest of the clan. There was never any mention of his clanmembers not having his power. Also, even if it was a recessive trait it would be remarkably weird that kaguya's own sons would be skipped.
It wouldn't be weird though, if the father didn't have the genes for bone techniques.

I remember the manga saying that the other members couldn't use the bone techniques, only Kimimaro could. Rereading it and Wiki, it seems they do say that Kimimaro indeed had stronger powers.

I would be surprised if there was a clan that could actually strengthen the senju/uzumaki... I mean, where would they get the genes for that? The senju and uchiha were all kinds of awesome and an objectively superior breed of human beings because of their fundamentally divine origins. We are talking about genes that could improve that. I guess there might have been breeding between ofshots of kaguya's descendants but that would still be weird. I admit it is weird that the uzumaki would have common traits among them that the senju do not have though. Maybe a senju just awakened the traits and was able to pass it on to his descendants...

I think he showed it at an early age... It was why orochimaru took him in. I guess the question is how early though.
It's possible. Senju's chakra with a mysterious person or clan's chakra strength could have created Uzumaki.
 

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The loss of the Sandaime didn't affect the story in the slightest, he was a tool. And Kakuzu fighting Hashirama is a random titbit that doesn't indicate an accomplishment, but Kakuzu's age. Hidan defeated Yugito, Kakuzu just happened to be his partner. If he gets credit for that, Konan should get considerable credit for fighting Obito, taking part in Amegakure's coup, it's management, and the invasion of Konoha. I agree that Konan's contributions were limited, but she isn't someone to write off so easily, and she contributed as much as some other members of Akatsuki. And when you say that she's the "only Akatsuki member not to accomplish anything within the story", I think you're really singling her out, and based on the two mentioned above, it seems to be rather unfairly.
Is that not a part of the story's history? Something that had a major impact on the sand village, and thus the story's lore? You made the assumption that I was just referring to plot centric things. Just like his partner can be credited for being the only one in the organization known as a terrorist before being a part of said organization. Or, Kisame can be credited for being known as the tailed beast without a tail. Yes, they did things to advance the plot with the capture of the different hosts, but that's not all I was talking about. Just because we saw that the two tails host got captured by Hidan's technique does not mean that Kakazu did nothing. We saw that they both engaged her, (if not engaged then at least both got drawn into the fight) cut to the end of the chapter and she's caught. So, no it would not be the same. It's not like when we saw Itachi sitting against a tree while Kisame was off capturing Roshi. Or when Deidara was the one to actually vocalize he did most of the work when the three tails was caught. Even then Obito said he'd leave it to Deidara. Even if the Hashirama bit is a tidbit, knowing his prowess the fact that Kakazu survived that says something of him. Keyword here being survived.

Unlike them, Konan does not have a history. So we look at her contributions to the advancement of the story. Given that all that she did was practically negated, or ended up not mattering, it just looks bad on her.

Honestly, I understand trying to defend her. Kishimoto has no excuse in that regard. And I'm not denying that her feats were impressive. However, it just seems like she's the odd man out in this case.
 
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