Shounen Naruto by Masashi Kishimoto

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

This again? As far as we know, out of the five or so Uchiha we've seen, Obito is the only Uchiha that has proven Tobirama's rumor correct.

Neither Madara nor Izuna nor Sasuke nor Itachi nor Kagami nor Shisui have gone crazy, not the way Uchiha have been described as. I don't know why people are insistent on believing this crockpot theory, but whatever floats the boat, I guess.

You can't deny the story. They do become mentally weak when they experience loss. And no other clan member attacked the world.

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It's not POV though. This discussion began over the justification of eliminating the Bijuus from the world due to the danger they pose. Since their hatred stem from being sealed within a Jinchuuriki and used as weapons by people, the fact that it can easily happen again gives more then enough justification to wipe them from the world so they can never be used as such weapons again or redevelop a hatred for mankind that will cause them to lash out generations later. "Attacking the whole world and imprisoning it" is moot.

But that's Hitlerization. You simply cannot do that because they have conscience just like human beings. It's logical to wipe them out and it's easy to write this on the forum but I'd give my arm to the fires if any of you would actually kill like that if being in the same situation. It's immoral and a normal human being with a system of worth built in their character can't do that. It's like killing a criminal right on the spot instead of sending him to prison. That's fucked up and not even related to the situation at hand which is much worse for this type of action.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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I was actually waiting for Minato to show some versatility and a chakra element. Now I can't wait until Madara or obito rip his ass in half and seal him. You and Marshall has made me hate this character... I'm officially stating I hate minato. Before the only character I hated was lee and obito... Now minato is in first place..

you just cant handle minatos awesomeness

he is the ultate average human who used intelligence and hard work to become the greatest shinobi of all time

he didnt have uchiha eyes or hashiramas power

and he still became the finest shinobi to ever come out of konoha

 

[marshall313]

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you just cant handle minatos awesomeness

he is the ultate average human who used intelligence and hard work to become the greatest shinobi of all time

he didnt have uchiha eyes or hashiramas power

and he still became the finest shinobi to ever come out of konoha

You're damn freaking right. Well said pal.


They just can't handle minato's awesomeness and EPICNESS.

 

[Knight of Stalwart Heart]

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[marshall313]

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[Prince Sasuke]

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you just cant handle minatos awesomeness

he is the ultate average human who used intelligence and hard work to become the greatest shinobi of all time

he didnt have uchiha eyes or hashiramas power

and he still became the finest shinobi to ever come out of konoha

No, I can't handle the exaggeration of his fans.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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No, I can't handle the exaggeration of his fans.

i dont see how its exaggerating

the dude is a flat out monster, honestly if the manga were objective he could take out the juubi jinchur using hirashin kyuubi haakra and giant rasengan

 

[benelori]

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he is the ultate average human who used intelligence and hard work to become the greatest shinobi of all time

Everybody is a hard-worker in Naruto, otherwise they wouldn't get very far ...the translation of that hard work into skills depends on the amount of talent(genetic lottery)...Minato was said to be a talent that appears once in how many years?

 

[Prince Sasuke]

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i dont see how its exaggerating

the dude is a flat out monster, honestly if the manga were objective he could take out the juubi jinchur using hirashin kyuubi haakra and giant rasengan

And that's not exaggerating? You have no ideal what minato can do with this chakra yet you believe he can perform like Naruto...

 

[Rikudou King]

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But that's Hitlerization. You simply cannot do that because they have conscience just like human beings. It's logical to wipe them out and it's easy to write this on the forum but I'd give my arm to the fires if any of you would actually kill like that if being in the same situation. It's immoral and a normal human being with a system of worth built in their character can't do that. It's like killing a criminal right on the spot instead of sending him to prison. That's fucked up and not even related to the situation at hand which is much worse for this type of action.

Them having a consciousness in no way means that they shouldn't be taken out in order to protect future lives. Of course no one would like being the one killed, but that's not justification for not doing it. There's nothing immoral about it. Your analogy doesn't work because the entire point is that there isn't a permanent way to stop the Bijuus outside of the current situation. There isn't a "jail" option available. Sealing them in an inanimate object doesn't prevent them from being used again just as if they were freed and them being sealed in a host only works for a short time at best. So exactly what is suppose to be done to prevent the Bijuus from once again being used as weapons and developing their hatred back leading to massive number of deaths of innocent people?

 

[REN KOUEN]

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And that's not exaggerating? You have no ideal what minato can do with this chakra yet you believe he can perform like Naruto...

yoy are right we havent seen what minato can do yet with that chaakra

perhaps i let my unbridled love for minato embellish my expectations

 

[M3J]

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You can't deny the story. They do become mentally weak when they experience loss. And no other clan member attacked the world.

What story? There's no such story, and like I said, Tobi is the only one who proves this correct. The rest of the Uchiha prove Tobirama's rumor so very wrong.

I'm sure plenty of other clan members attacked the world until villages were set up, especially Senju. What about Kimimaro's clan? They were attacking villages and were wiped out, Kimimaro being the last survivor. If they all could use their kekkei genkai, then they would be invincible and likely beat almost all villages, whether Konoha, Kumo, or even Iwa.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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well m3j you are going off of the post konoha uchihas

remwmber many of them supported madaras love for war before the village was foubded

only after it was founded did they start to defy madara

thus his bad blood or vendetta against his own clan

but it was because of the discrimination started by tobi rama kept alive by danzou and fueled by the kyuubi attack of tobi (which got blamed on the uchiha of the village)

that sasukes dad wanted the coup de tat

 

[M3J]

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And where do you get that? Many of them defected to Senju and were the reason why Madara finally agreed to truce. If they did support Madara's love for war, then the truce would not have been accepted, nor would hte Uchiha have left to go to Senju.

 

[Knight of Stalwart Heart]

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well m3j you are going off of the post konoha uchihas

remwmber many of them supported madaras love for war before the village was foubded

only after it was founded did they start to defy madara

thus his bad blood or vendetta against his own clan

but it was because of the discrimination started by tobi rama kept alive by danzou and fueled by the kyuubi attack of tobi (which got blamed on the uchiha of the village)

that sasukes dad wanted the coup de tat

Ahahahaha.Before Konoha was formed clients hired the Uchiha because they were strong and the others hired the Senju because they were the only ones who could fight them and vice versa.They were simply doing what they were hired for.Love for war? lol.Madara feared that the clan would be oppressed by the Senju when Konoha was founded but the clan dismissed that idea and thought that he was just trying to wage another war.That's it.Senju and other clans did the same shit,they were hired by the clients and just fought each other.

 

[Delbi]

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the dude is a flat out monster, honestly if the manga were objective he could take out the juubi jinchur using hirashin kyuubi haakra and giant rasengan

Minato is by no means a "monster". He is extremely skilled, but he is not a monster by the standards of this manga. His "epicness" is debatable, but I've always been impressed by his feats, but not his lethality.

Kisame is a monster.

Nagato was a monster.

Hashirama was a monster.

Naruto is now a monster.

Madara was a monster.

These are ninja who have massive chakra pools, inhuman abilities and in many cases have the ability to eradicate entire villages in seconds.

Minato can take out a platoon of 50 ninja. That lost it's dramatic effect when Sasuke went and took out 1000 ninja by himself.

Minatos combat feats revolve around Hirashin. He's the quick little shit you can't lay a finger on. Problem is, he can't kill his strongest counter parts. There is NO WAY he could have killed the Raikage with a simple kunai. Even if he placed chakra into, there is no way it could kill the Raikage, not when a Chidori barley even scratched him.

So frankly to me this is where hype doesn't match reality. Minato's genius is second to none, and his skill is up there with the very best. His actual power however is not even that high up on the ninja food chain.

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But that's Hitlerization. You simply cannot do that because they have conscience just like human beings. It's logical to wipe them out and it's easy to write this on the forum but I'd give my arm to the fires if any of you would actually kill like that if being in the same situation. It's immoral and a normal human being with a system of worth built in their character can't do that. It's like killing a criminal right on the spot instead of sending him to prison. That's fucked up and not even related to the situation at hand which is much worse for this type of action.

Honestly killing them is certainly wrong, but only because of this whole new "we need to forgive everyone" thing the alliance is doing.

Frankly, since they have conscience, then they need to be held accountable for their actions. These beasts are responsible for what is like millions of deaths. And I'm sorry, but it's hard to believe they did all their killing in self defense. We had Shukaku and Kurama torturing their Jinchuriki (who were innocent in all of this just as much as the Biju) wanting to kill them so they could be released and do what, kill people.

So if we want to compare them to real world counter parts in humans, they would be on trial for mass murder, torture, and countless other crimes. They most certainly be tried and sentenced to death.

Imprisonment for them would be for eternity, which would suck. Death would likely be a better option for them.

To me, exile is what needs to happen. Human and Biju cannot live peacefullly together because humans will always try to use the Biju for terrible things. That can't be ignored and is the issue here. So, if we aren't going to kill them or imprison them, we need to get rid of them by some other means.

 

[jcd]

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Minato is by no means a "monster". He is extremely skilled, but he is not a monster by the standards of this manga. His "epicness" is debatable, but I've always been impressed by his feats, but not his lethality.

Kisame is a monster.

Nagato was a monster.

Hashirama was a monster.

Naruto is now a monster.

Madara was a monster.

These are ninja who have massive chakra pools, inhuman abilities and in many cases have the ability to eradicate entire villages in seconds.

I doubt kisame can eradicate entire villages in seconds.

yes he's sure a monster himself but to eradicate villages in just mere seconds he can't do it, unless if we're talking about non-ninja villages.

 

[Knight of Stalwart Heart]

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He said "in many cases".Except Kisame anyone in that little list would be able to destroy a village.

 

[Delbi]

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If Kisame created his water dome he could simply roll through a village and there are very few shinobi who would be able to stop him. That technique is horrifying powerful, and he is essentially impossible to kill while inside and transformed.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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Minato is by no means a "monster". He is extremely skilled, but he is not a monster by the standards of this manga. His "epicness" is debatable, but I've always been impressed by his feats, but not his lethality.

Kisame is a monster.

Nagato was a monster.

Hashirama was a monster.

Naruto is now a monster.

Madara was a monster.

These are ninja who have massive chakra pools, inhuman abilities and in many cases have the ability to eradicate entire villages in seconds.

Minato can take out a platoon of 50 ninja. That lost it's dramatic effect when Sasuke went and took out 1000 ninja by himself.

Minatos combat feats revolve around Hirashin. He's the quick little shit you can't lay a finger on. Problem is, he can't kill his strongest counter parts. There is NO WAY he could have killed the Raikage with a simple kunai. Even if he placed chakra into, there is no way it could kill the Raikage, not when a Chidori barley even scratched him.

So frankly to me this is where hype doesn't match reality. Minato's genius is second to none, and his skill is up there with the very best. His actual power however is not even that high up on the ninja food chain.

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Honestly killing them is certainly wrong, but only because of this whole new "we need to forgive everyone" thing the alliance is doing.

Frankly, since they have conscience, then they need to be held accountable for their actions. These beasts are responsible for what is like millions of deaths. And I'm sorry, but it's hard to believe they did all their killing in self defense. We had Shukaku and Kurama torturing their Jinchuriki (who were innocent in all of this just as much as the Biju) wanting to kill them so they could be released and do what, kill people.

So if we want to compare them to real world counter parts in humans, they would be on trial for mass murder, torture, and countless other crimes. They most certainly be tried and sentenced to death.

Imprisonment for them would be for eternity, which would suck. Death would likely be a better option for them.

To me, exile is what needs to happen. Human and Biju cannot live peacefullly together because humans will always try to use the Biju for terrible things. That can't be ignored and is the issue here. So, if we aren't going to kill them or imprison them, we need to get rid of them by some other means.

with kyuubi chaakra he is now amongst the strongest ever in this manga