Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3
Ugh I really didn't want to indulge in this any further but there are just some glaring errors. First perhaps it was someone else that said the thing about wireless connection with the bijuu. Let's skip that. Next that was translation error, on MS it says "his left eye's..". Clearly referring to his S/T. Also normally naruto is faster than sasuke.
Proof that it was a translation error, cause I've seen nothing to support that claim. Add onto that the fact that the appearance don't even fit with past showing, and I'm seeing no reason to think otherwise. And no, all throughout this war, they have been shown even in speed.
As for the eye thing, if anyone gets a chakra boost like kakashi did, they'll be able to do same, however it takes a toll on their body and that doesn't change. Kakashi just used it once/twice after getting both eyes yet he was completely worn out. You still can't compare him to obitos original use even without any boosts.
Except that all has to do with his low chakra, a whole different issue. And we saw him using Kamui on par with Obito even before the boosts. Have you forgotten him warping a tiny nail? Warping a moving missile while it was flying through the air? Even when he lost the boost, he was shown equal to Obito's usage when they fought against Madara together. Your entire argument has nothing to do with skills, but with the fact that Kakashi doesn't have the right genetic conditions, which doesn't affect my argument at all.
You're making serious grave examples. Firstly sasukes unique MS ability was the ability to manipulate Amateratsu i.e his kagusutchi. Also if you understand Rinne sharingan is different from rinnegan, why compare their abilities and expect one to completely have access to the other's abilities?
No, it wasn't. We were told that Itachi had that ability too, and then later on Tobirama mentions that there have been other MS users that used Enton. Sasuke is by far the most skilled with it, but it's not unique to him. And I'm not... Sasuke, as mentioned multiple times, has been stated to have the Rinnegan. I have never claimed that Kaguya should have the same abilities, so I don't know what you are talking about.
I call limbo a S/T because madara said hw creates clones in the 'invisible world'. I sort of liken it to obitos kamui when he appears in this dimension when he's actually body is in the kamui one.
Except the clones aren't in a different "world" or dimension. They are just invisible, thus the fact that they can still be touched and interacted with by the likes of Naruto and Sasuke. It has nothing in common with a S/T technique, nor has it ever been implied to be one.
Also amentojikara is sasukes rinne sharingan ability. We have both madara and sasuke stating this several times. Also when obito/sakura tried to save sasuke from kaguyas dimension, he's clearly shown using his rinnegan to swap with her jacket. When kaguya does her gravity dimension thing and naruto tells sasuke to dodge, he's say "shit, my left eye doesn't work". Also when its back up, the panel zooms into his rinnegan and he says "my eye power is back". Honestly how is it possible for you to assume that's an EMS ability. So what sasuke just got that to? Like he hasn't already had the EMS since. Jeez.
Chibaku tensei is also not part of the deva path, nagato specifically brought yahiko close enough to give him the orb which acts as the epicentre.
Sasuke doesn't have the Rinne Sharingan and neither of them have ever stated as such. It's Sasuke's EMS technique, him using it with his Rinnegan active doesn't change that. I mean, we already knew that was possible when Madara was still using his MS abilities with his Rinnegan active. Sasuke hasn't used his prefect Susanoo yet either, despite already having it before. And yeah, Chibaku Tensei is part of the Deva Path. The databook told us this, and Nagato didn't "give" Deva Path anything.
He brought Deva Path closer because it required greater concentration.
I don't get you at all, sasuke being low on chakra doesn't affect the fact that Amateratsu is useless against naruto when he's in his cloak mode. That's so ridiculous. That's like saying if naruto is low on chakra but has enough to pull a rasengan, it less effective.
... If Sasuke is low on chakra, then he can't create that large of a flame or shape them like normal. I don't see whats complicated about that. Otherwise,
Amaterasu against a Jinchuuriki would be quite affective...
My point is asides from rinnegan being different than rinne sharingan (which you thankfully already know), nagato had a senju body and the ultimate doujutsu. From madara, to obito and sasuke, none has had this.
They only had some senjutsu chakra.
The abilities of the rinnegan are directly linked to haguromo. In other words, since nagato had both the body and the rinnegan (which even surpasses the rinnegan) it makes perfect sense to be able to do some extras that no one elses (asides the sage) can.
Even when madara got some senjutsu chakra, he couldn't use those abilities.
He made a point of giving the eyes to a senju (nagato). We can't discount that fact.
Completely wrong in all accounts. First off, you seem to be mixing up the Rinne Sharingan (what Kaguya was stated to have) with the Rinnegan (which as mentioned, was what Sasuke was stated to have numerous times). Secondly, they ALL had a Senju body. Remember, they all had Hashirama's Dna, which granted them his physical abilities and chakra (the chakra of Ashura). That was the whole point. Bring together both Ashura and Indra were the key to gaining the Rinnegan.
It was literally spelled out. Also, Madara had the Rinnegan well before he gained any Senjutsu, while Obito transplanted the Rinengan before he had some. Third, Nagato was a Uzumaki, a branch of the Senju clan. He couldn't be counted as a Senju anymore then Naruto could. Madara gave the Rinnegan to Nagato because he needed someone with a strong life force for his plan. As we were shown, normal people are barely able to handle a single transplanted eye, much less then two. There's a massive chakra drain. Any other person and they would have ended up dead after a few uses.
Lastly about chibaku tensei, the point is only the six paths chibaku tensei (that's the name of the move used on kaguya based on the databook) is the only one that would be useful against the top tier opponents. Its different and requires two people to pull off. They simultaneously use yin/yang to pull it off. Its difficult to explain but one person can't pull it off, which is also why haguromo and hamura needed to do same when they faced kaguya earlier.
The regular chibaku tensei is a joke to the likes of naruto, juubi jins, sasuke etc.
Except that none of those people are on the level of Kaguya, so that's a moot point. You do realize that Naruto and Sasuke were still below her level, even before they had those power-ups taken back. And the overall issue still remains since the mechanics are the same - if Chibaku Tensei could be broken out of from the inside, then that defeats the purpose of it being used as a seal.
