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Natsu won't come even close to God Serena. God Serena will spam him with every spell he got.
Neptune Dragon Spell is smaller than some of base Natsu's punches. Just compare Serena's size to the top of the wave and the Alvarez soldier's size to the top of the explosions.
What kind of Logic is this?Natsu couldn't defeat Jacob inside the guild as he had to restrain his power.After that he basically One Shotted him.Jacob is stronger than Jura.He is a Spriggan after all.He was taken down by a city buster attack by Natsu so you couldn't judge his durability like this.It is shown Natsu's MP is greater than God Serena's.
How many times do I need to repeat this, it WON'T matter if Natsu will fight Jacob inside or outside the Guild. Yes, Natsu can use every spell he has. But still, he won't track Jacob down since he is invisible. His scent won't work. Natsu is kinda chanceless when he is attacked by someone he can't see.
1)Didn't you notice that Jacob was burning from Natsu's Aura itself.So if he fought him outside then he would not been able to approach him or throw any weapons towards him.
We're talking about a Spriggan's magic, he won't burn himself if he is invisible because he is basically 'gone'. That's what his Stealth is.
Yes, Jacob was defeated by a destructive spell from Natsu. But was it a oneshot? No. You wanna know why? Because Natsu, Lucy, Leo and Makarov already did a lot damage to him before the final blow.
Lol no. Maybe Ajeel, but Wahl and Di Maria wouldn't have any problem with it. Jacob may have hax magic, but it's a fact he has very low intelligence, stamina and strength. Di Maria and Wahl >>>>>> Jacob.
Natsu's FDK spells are fire, while God Serena knows multiple spells with multiple elements. If I compare Natsu with God Serena, I'd say Natsu is a base Dragon Slayer and God Serena a Dragon Slayer king.
1)Natsu FDK Spell is much more devastating than any laser fired by Dimaria in her God Soul or Wahl's missiles.
His spell may be more destructive, but not more powerful. Wahl's missles are more dangerous than any FDKM spell, because his missles will always hit its target. Di Maria's lazers could easily kill someone, I won't even compare them to Natsu's spells lol.
Natsu's Fire Dragon Claw + Lucy's Regulus Kick did major damage to Jacob.
Are you seriously trying to say that God Serena's Fire magic is as strong as Natsu's fire Magic? Let's compare.
Read my post again. I said "more or less". Anyway, none of the spells from Natsu you showed looks more powerful than God Serena's spells. You only showed that Natsu uses more fire spells, which is logic. God Serena only uses one spell for each element.Are you seriously trying to say that God Serena's Fire magic is as strong as Natsu's fire Magic? Let's compare.
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Natsu fire magic takes several dumps on God Serena's fire Magic. Then I bring you took Natsu's Aura evaporating an Lake with ease.
Don't sit up here and act as though God Serena is on Natsu's level or more powerful then Natsu.
Also if he tries to use his Cavern attack I don't see why Natsu wouldn't simply:
Natsu will simply use his flames to fly up.
He did never show me he could deal with every element. You're just overpowering Natsu, based on the fact he could evaporate a lake and take a breeze. God Serena's spells are a lot more powerful than that.
1)Natsu killed 927 Alvarez Soldiers.You are forgetting about it.His FDK Spells are much more impressive and destructive than any lasers of Dimaria.Anyway this is not a thread of it.You make a thread of it i will speak about it there.
1). God Serena could do the same, no doubt about that.
I think you will not agree that Natsu's MP is greater than God Serena's.Fine.Then what about Dragon Force.Don't tell me God Serena has Dragon Force.He is a Second Generation Dragon Slayer.
We should not consider Jacob's durability bad.He took a City Buster Attack and he was still alive after it.Consider that Ikusa-Tsunagi was instantly killed by this same Spell and his mountain sized body crumbled into pieces.Jura on the other hand took many attacks from God Serena to be completely defeated.Why do we say Brandish is important? Because she can shrink something the size of an Island. Why do we say Ajeel was really impressive? Because he can create a sandstorm that covers all of Magnolia. Natsu evaporated a lake with his body heat alone. Not with his actual attack, but with the body heat coming from just entering FDK mode. Also, the lake that Natsu evaporated is most likely Lake Scilora, which is actually quite large.
This is the lake directly in the north of Fiore, and right besides the Fairy Tail guild. It's the lake in which the Phantom Lord guild marched through. In other words, this lake:
Now you might say that size isn't everything, and I agree. Size isn't everything. However, Natsu's body heat didn't just evaporate Lake Scilora, it also burned up Jacob. It's not just a display of Natsu having enough power to melt a bunch of magic-less water, but also an example of Natsu being able to overpower a Spriggan-level opponent.
Reminder that evaporating the lake and burning up Jacob wasn't the actual attack. The actual attack knocked Jacob out cold. Jacob didn't receive any major damage prior to getting hit by demolition fist. Serena already beat up the Ishgar Heavenly Saints and casted 2 dragon slayer spells against them prior to using Neptune Dragon's fist. Unless Makarov's fist or the NaLu combo did more damage to Jacob than all of those attacks did to Jura, Demolition Fist is superior. Quite frankly, Jacob seems to be in more pain from Natsu's body heat than he was from Makarov's punch of the NaLu kick. Natsu did the vast majority of damage to Jacob via demolition fist. In comparison none of God Serena's opponents were actually knocked out. They were all still conscious:
Even if you say there's a negligible difference between being knocked out and being beaten to the point where you can't retaliate, there's still the power-level difference between Jacob and someone like Jura to account for. Jacob is a Spriggan 12, and therefore he should be more powerful than any of the Wizard Saints. Do we really have any reason to assume that Jacob's durability is weaker than someone like Ajeel's or Brandish's? No. He didn't get taken out by an attack less powerful than attacks that took them out. He probably took a punch from Natsu better than Ajeel did.
Let's set aside FDK for one moment, and go back to the whole Jacob vs Wizard Saint thing. It took at least 3 hits for God Serena to take out someone like Jura (At least 1 for before he activated DS magic, and 2 afterwards before he used Neptune DS). Even if you want to say that Jura is stronger than a Spriggan like Jacob (???), it's not like we don't have a feat of Natsu oneshotting someone on Jura's level. Tenrou Bluenote was a match for Gildarts, which is where GMG Jura was hyped to be. Unless Jura massively outgrew Bluenote over the 1 year timeskip (no evidence of this), they should be around the same level. There is zero doubt in my mind that if Natsu can oneshot Bluenote with one of his basic spells, that he wouldn't be able to just oneshot any of the Ishgar Heavenly Saints with an FDK spell - especially since that the FDK spell can take out Jacob. Whether or not he can take out multiple people would just depend on AoE, which is more than sufficient.
So when we put this all together, what do we have? Natsu's attacks in FDK has larger AoE, and did more damage against a stronger opponent. If this doesn't meet the requirements for what makes an attack stronger than another then I don't know what does.
Except that Brandish's Manipulation Magic requires MP. Same with Ajeel's sandstorm. Let's say that there was a sandstorm of that size but it wasn't Ajeel's Sand World. Would you say someone like Natsu would be carried away and vanish without a trace? Would it drain all the water out of him? No. There is a difference between MP attacks and mother nature causing abiotic organisms to become active. Sure, Natsu evaporated a lake. Impressive. Nothing here proves he can evaporate God Serena's attacks. Unless you're telling me Natsu can beat him easily? If God Serena's attack were rendered useless, what stops Natsu from stomping him?
If we can agree that size doesn't mean anything, I don't see how this would have any significance in proving that Natsu can evaporate or destroy God Serena's attacks... Remember that the water Natsu evaporated is normal water and has no magic energy in it. Additionally, Natsu burning up Jacob doesn't mean anything. We have no reason to believe he is on the level of a high-tier Spriggan, especially after his feats. Natsu melted Lucy's clothes and the spectators at the GMG. Most of them were fodders. Does that mean he can do the same to Makarov, Gray, Gildarts, Jellal, Laxus, Zeref, or Acnologia? If anything, this just proves that Jacob has really low durability. Sure, he was up against a very powerful attack... Does that mean he should have been one-shotted? I don't think so. I guarantee the other Spriggans wouldn't go down in one hit like that.This is the lake directly in the north of Fiore, and right besides the Fairy Tail guild. It's the lake in which the Phantom Lord guild marched through. In other words, this lake:
Now you might say that size isn't everything, and I agree. Size isn't everything. However, Natsu's body heat didn't just evaporate Lake Scilora, it also burned up Jacob. It's not just a display of Natsu having enough power to melt a bunch of magic-less water, but also an example of Natsu being able to overpower a Spriggan-level opponent.
God Serena's attacks against to the 3 Gods of Ishgar + Jura should really not be compared to a feat like this. God Serena literally went 1 vs 4 in that fight. We don't even know if he used magic beforehand or simply beat them up in CQC so it is impossible to state that the first "attack" he used still allowed the 3 Gods of Ishgar + Jura to survive. To say Natsu's Demolition Fist is stronger because it defeated Jacob has really little meaning especially when comparing it to God Serena's feats because the 3 Gods of Ishgar + Jura may have higher defense than Jacob. I bolded the part to emphasize that this is speculation. But as you can see, it can go either way, so we really shouldn't assume here. There are so many factors that are unknown. It is true that we have no reason to believe that Jacob's durability is weaker than Ajeel or Brandish but at the same time, does his feats prove that he has durability on par of those two strong Spriggans? No. Not to mention, God Serena used about the same number of attacks as the number of opponents he was up against so technically we can say each attack critically injured the 3 Gods of Ishgar + Jura, much like how Natsu did the same to Jacob. Using these feats as a way of saying Natsu beating God Serena is not accurate.Reminder that evaporating the lake and burning up Jacob wasn't the actual attack. The actual attack knocked Jacob out cold. Jacob didn't receive any major damage prior to getting hit by demolition fist. Serena already beat up the Ishgar Heavenly Saints and casted 2 dragon slayer spells against them prior to using Neptune Dragon's fist. Unless Makarov's fist or the NaLu combo did more damage to Jacob than all of those attacks did to Jura, Demolition Fist is superior. Quite frankly, Jacob seems to be in more pain from Natsu's body heat than he was from Makarov's punch of the NaLu kick. Natsu did the vast majority of damage to Jacob via demolition fist. In comparison none of God Serena's opponents were actually knocked out. They were all still conscious:
Even if you say there's a negligible difference between being knocked out and being beaten to the point where you can't retaliate, there's still the power-level difference between Jacob and someone like Jura to account for. Jacob is a Spriggan 12, and therefore he should be more powerful than any of the Wizard Saints. Do we really have any reason to assume that Jacob's durability is weaker than someone like Ajeel's or Brandish's? No. He didn't get taken out by an attack less powerful than attacks that took them out. He probably took a punch from Natsu better than Ajeel did.
It's not like it took 2-3 attacks just to take out Jura alone... He took all 4 of them out in 4 hits. That would be equal to about 1 hit per person. As far I can tell, we can't assume that Jura and Bluenote are on the same level. That would introduce possible errors into this fight. Actually, when you use a single attack on 4 opponents, the MP in that attack is dispersed, so it shouldn't be counted that it takes 3 attacks to finish off Jura. Sure, AoE allows multiple targets to be hit, but that does not mean that the power within the whole area is the same... That would be faulty logic because when magic is concentrated at a single point, it evenly distributes the energy as it increases in size. The moment God Serena's 4th attack was completed, we saw all 4 Wizard Saints incapacitated. That means the first 3 attacks were directed towards the 3 Gods of Ishgar. Sure, Jura got hit, but the amount of MP that hit him was minimal compared to the others. I see it as Jura being taken down in 1 hit if you ask me.Let's set aside FDK for one moment, and go back to the whole Jacob vs Wizard Saint thing. It took at least 3 hits for God Serena to take out someone like Jura (At least 1 for before he activated DS magic, and 2 afterwards before he used Neptune DS). Even if you want to say that Jura is stronger than a Spriggan like Jacob (???), it's not like we don't have a feat of Natsu oneshotting someone on Jura's level. Tenrou Bluenote was a match for Gildarts, which is where GMG Jura was hyped to be. Unless Jura massively outgrew Bluenote over the 1 year timeskip (no evidence of this), they should be around the same level. There is zero doubt in my mind that if Natsu can oneshot Bluenote with one of his basic spells, that he wouldn't be able to just oneshot any of the Ishgar Heavenly Saints with an FDK spell - especially since that the FDK spell can take out Jacob. Whether or not he can take out multiple people would just depend on AoE, which is more than sufficient.
I can understand Natsu's attack having a larger AoE, although I don't think it can be proven, but how does it equate to Natsu having inflicted more damage, and against a stronger opponent? Nothing adds up to a conclusion like that. Even if an attack is stronger, it still doesn't mean it can evaporate the opponent's attack. Or Natsu should be able to crush Gray's Ice which is not the case so far.
