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Ludociel no diffs Elizabeth

King vs Galan depends on who gets the first hit,which will likely be King due to better range.So King takes it.

DK vs SD is a stalemate for obvious reasons.

The masters vs Sariel and Tarmiel could go either way.

Fraudrin beats Nerobusty comfortably.
 

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Base Zeldris vs Base Meliodas (post-Purgatory)
Full size + dance Diane vs Derieri
DM Meliodas (post-Purgatory) vs Ludociel (with grace)
 

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Zel has more than one demon mark stage like Mel?
Also, couldn't Mera simply suck out their souls?
Yes, he has another demon mark. The same mark Mel had after purgatory before going AM. We don't know how much it boosts his strenght, tho.

https://www.mangareader.net/nanatsu-no-taizai/235/17

In order to do that the AA have to be extremely weakened or unable to move and I don't see that happening considering the difference between their power levels (unless they go Indura, of course).
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- Goddess Elizabeth vs Ludoshel: I see Ludo winning. The lack of feats for Eli makes it hard to gauge her strenght. She has very good magical feats, but that's all. We don't know how she compares with the likes of the AA offensively and durability wise. His speed and reactions aren't very good either. Until she shows more, Ludo wins.

- King vs Galan: King most likely.

- Demon King vs Supreme Goddess: Stalemate.

- Sar/Tar vs Masters: Could go either way, tbh, but I see the masters coming out as the victors at the end. I see all of them being in the 80-100K range, but Chandler has FC which is bad news for the AA since the majority of their attacks are magic oriented. Also, True Night should boost their power level by a little bit.

- Nerobasta vs Fraudrin: Fraudrin beats her quite easily. Nerobasta was frightened to fight the likes of Melascula who is not even battle oriented commandment.
 

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Base Zeldris vs Base Meliodas (post-Purgatory)
Full size + dance Diane vs Derieri
DM Meliodas (post-Purgatory) vs Ludociel (with grace)
No regen means Mel gets chopped up into pieces and dies.
Derierre slaps Diane around.
Ludociel beats Mel in an extremely difficult fight most likely.
 

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Meliodas since he has full counter and Zeldris can't use God here



Derrieri



Probably Meliodas, since we don't know what Flash can do yet, but I'd say it's a close battle.
I agree with you here.
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Base Zeldris vs Base Meliodas (post-Purgatory)
Full size + dance Diane vs Derieri
DM Meliodas (post-Purgatory) vs Ludociel (with grace)
1) Meliodas with high difficulty, also Zeldoris is never in base, his Demon Mark is always on, unlike Meliodas who is with zero Darkness power in base.

2) Derrierie until Diane reach Dolor level.

3) DM Meliodas win with high difficult due to having higher strength + Full Counter which counters him hard. His arsenal is mostly magic, that is really bad when your opponent has something like Full Counter.
 

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Base Zeldris vs Base Meliodas (post-Purgatory)
Full size + dance Diane vs Derieri
DM Meliodas (post-Purgatory) vs Ludociel (with grace)
Hard to decide. Both of them have almost the same power level. On the one hand Mel has superior strenght and has Full Counter which makes pretty much all the magic attacks that Zel throws him useless, so Mel should have the advantage in battle. On the other hand, Zel can regenerate pretty much of everything thanks to his PoD, which Meliodas doesn't have access to since he is in base. It's gonna be a long battle, but I think that Zel will win with high difficulty.

Ass girl is still best girl. She takes it with mid difficulty, high at most if Diane can dance enough to be in the 48K range.

They should be on the same general strenght, however, Mel counters Ludo hard thanks to Full Counter which renders most of his magical attacks useless. Right now, I give it to Meliodas with high to extreme difficulty. Depending of what Flash does at full power I might change my opinion.
 

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3) DM Meliodas win with high difficult due to having higher strength + Full Counter which counters him hard. His arsenal is mostly magic, that is really bad when your opponent has something like Full Counter.
They should be on the same general strenght, however, Mel counters Ludo hard thanks to Full Counter which renders most of his magical attacks useless. Right now, I give it to Meliodas with high to extreme difficulty. Depending of what Flash does at full power I might change my opinion.
All comes down to how good Flash really is.

If Ludoshel can move incredibly fast with it, maybe to the speed of sound or light itself, which would exceed Meliodas reaction times then he can land his ark and get past the full counter.

But if Flash is not fast enough then most, or all of his ark will be reflected.

Worst comes to shove just throw a bit of purification down Mel's way lol, reflecting that won't harm Ludoshel (supposedly).
 

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All comes down to how good Flash really is.

If Ludoshel can move incredibly fast with it, maybe to the speed of sound or light itself, which would exceed Meliodas reaction times then he can land his ark and get past the full counter.

But if Flash is not fast enough then most, or all of his ark will be reflected.

Worst comes to shove just throw a bit of purification down Mel's way lol, reflecting that won't harm Ludoshel (supposedly).
He doesn't seem to engage a fight with that Meliodas alone, he calls help when he saw him and Meliodas was confident to stop him, along with the others behind.

Purification will not work since he is perfectly sane and not out of control lol, even without Full Counter. Purification work when your mind is like a beast.
 
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He doesn't seem to engage a fight with that Meliodas alone, he calls help when he saw him and Meliodas was confident to stop him, along with the others behind.
I mean he called for help because the situation required it.
He wanted to kill Indura, and Elizabeth would only last so long when holding them back.
Meliodas was in the way and fighting him means he can't go for the Indura
So he probably wanted the other AA to handle Meliodas, or for them to quickly team up and ''eliminate'' him then deal with the Indura.

Purification will not work since he is perfectly sane and not out of control lol, even without Full Counter. Purification work when your mind is like a beast.
Purification would still purify the darkness.
So Meliodas using demonic magic (e.g hellblaze) or maybe even his second demon mark itself would be purified, but there would be no damage (which in a deathmatch is a waste of time)
 

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I mean he called for help because the situation required it.
He wanted to kill Indura, and Elizabeth would only last so long when holding them back.
Meliodas was in the way and fighting him means he can't go for the Indura
So he probably wanted the other AA to handle Meliodas, or for them to quickly team up and ''eliminate'' him then deal with the Indura.



Purification would still purify the darkness.
So Meliodas using demonic magic (e.g hellblaze) or maybe even his second demon mark itself would be purified, but there would be no damage (which in a deathmatch is a waste of time)
But that is not what Meliodas said, he said: " let me handle them " not him, he was confident of handle them. That is also why he was calling help, Meliodas literally stop him on his track.

Nope, Purification work when the Demon goes out of control, not when he is in control lol.
Even when the Indura was purified, they didn't lose their Darkness, it was still there.

Nope, don't use headcanon, purification working on an attack like Hellblaze? The second mark purified? Nothing like that is possible otherwise the Demon Clan would be easily eliminated already.

Nothing can purify a Demon at the level of Meliodas, he is literally the strongest Demon of the entire Clan lmao. Nice wank.
 

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But that is not what Meliodas said, he said: " let me handle them " not him, he was confident of handle them. That is also why he was calling help, Meliodas literally stop him on his track.
Meliodas was just buying time for Elizabeth, he wasn't there to actually fight them, and if he did, he would face defeat.

Nope, Purification work when the Demon goes out of control, not when he is in control lol.
Then how do you explain fodder demons and Fraudrin being purified on multiple occasions when they are in perfect control of themselves?

Even when the Indura was purified, they didn't lose their Darkness, it was still there.
It still purified the darkness of the Indura.
It probably doesn't get rid of the ability to make darkness, just the existing darkness.

Nope, don't use headcanon, purification working on an attack like Hellblaze? The second mark purified? Nothing like that is possible otherwise the Demon Clan would be easily eliminated already.
Except doing such feats would be almost impossible for a majority of the Goddess Clan.
Why would you purify a demon unless there is an exceptional circumstance? Like Elizabeth being the only Goddess with high efficiency in the art is one reason. Purifying is just a waste of effort in most cases because it doesn't kill the rival clan of the Goddesses, the demons.

There's a reason why Ludoshel was so against Elizabeth's actions, because it would lead to them not being killed, so purification is probably the equivalent of a Giant running away in battle, a taboo of sorts.

Nothing can purify a Demon at the level of Meliodas, he is literally the strongest Demon of the entire Clan lmao. Nice wank.
You're saying that I am supposedly ''wank''.
Who am I wanking?
Which character? because this is just general discussion and you're already on the defense about things? I don't know why but ok
I get Meliodas is your favourite character and acknowledging his limitations is really difficult for you, but just because he is OP doesn't mean he is immune from purification? lol
 

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All comes down to how good Flash really is.

If Ludoshel can move incredibly fast with it, maybe to the speed of sound or light itself, which would exceed Meliodas reaction times then he can land his ark and get past the full counter.

But if Flash is not fast enough then most, or all of his ark will be reflected.

Worst comes to shove just throw a bit of purification down Mel's way lol, reflecting that won't harm Ludoshel (supposedly).
Speed of sound? That would be pathetic.
 

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Speed of sound? That would be pathetic.
Literally nobody in the series would be able to react to Ludoshel's speed in time?
Except the Gods probably, but they're always the exception.

And how is it pathetic?
 

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Meliodas was just buying time for Elizabeth, he wasn't there to actually fight them, and if he did, he would face defeat.



Then how do you explain fodder demons and Fraudrin being purified on multiple occasions when they are in perfect control of themselves?



It still purified the darkness of the Indura.
It probably doesn't get rid of the ability to make darkness, just the existing darkness.



Except doing such feats would be almost impossible for a majority of the Goddess Clan.
Why would you purify a demon unless there is an exceptional circumstance? Like Elizabeth being the only Goddess with high efficiency in the art is one reason. Purifying is just a waste of effort in most cases because it doesn't kill the rival clan of the Goddesses, the demons.

There's a reason why Ludoshel was so against Elizabeth's actions, because it would lead to them not being killed, so purification is probably the equivalent of a Giant running away in battle, a taboo of sorts.



You're saying that I am supposedly ''wank''.
Who am I wanking?
Which character? because this is just general discussion and you're already on the defense about things? I don't know why but ok
I get Meliodas is your favourite character and acknowledging his limitations is really difficult for you, but just because he is OP doesn't mean he is immune from purification? lol
We don't know that lol, he doesn't look like someone who will face defeat lmao. You are underestimating him as always.

Fraudin never gets purified lmao, he got expelled from his host, nuance.

Which is like I said, it works against being who lost themselves, hence the word " purification ", not from being who are still themselves lol.

Nope, I just showed you how ridiculous you sounded, you were wanking the Goddess Clan like they can easily submit any Demon's darkness that easily.
You are just playing semantics to avoid the repercussions of your headcanon claim.

Yes, you are wanking the Goddess and downplaying the Demon to the point that a mere purification will work lol.
You are downplaying Meliodas like saying that Purification will work, even tho, you have nothing that supports that claim, only your headcanon.
Like I said, if it works against the strongest Demon, the entire Clan is doomed.

The manga stated that they were all afraid of him, which destroy your entire and stupid headcanon. That is the thing that you are in denial about it.
Your stupid implications makes no sense.
 

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Literally nobody in the series would be able to react to Ludoshel's speed in time?
Except the Gods probably, but they're always the exception.

And how is it pathetic?
Because they're numerous feats in the series which dwarfs the speed of sound.
Mel was stated to be faster than the speed of sound since in the Kingdom Invasion arc.
Lightning moves faster than the speed of sound,and Gilthunder's lightning is a few hundred times faster than the speed of sound.
Galan can jump hundreds of miles in an instant which again,dwarfs the speed of sound.
Flash on being only as fast as the speed of sound would mean Ludociel is slower than a regular bullet fired from most guns irl.
So yeah,the speed of sound is pretty pathetic for a series like NNT.
The speed of light however is a different story.
 

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We don't know that lol, he doesn't look like someone who will face defeat lmao. You are underestimating him as always.

Fraudin never gets purified lmao, he got expelled from his host, nuance.

Which is like I said, it works against being who lost themselves, hence the word " purification ", not from being who are still themselves lol.

Nope, I just showed you how ridiculous you sounded, you were wanking the Goddess Clan like they can easily submit any Demon's darkness that easily.
You are just playing semantics to avoid the repercussions of your headcanon claim.

Yes, you are wanking the Goddess and downplaying the Demon to the point that a mere purification will work lol.
You are downplaying Meliodas like saying that Purification will work, even tho, you have nothing that supports that claim, only your headcanon.
Like I said, if it works against the strongest Demon, the entire Clan is doomed.

The manga stated that they were all afraid of him, which destroy your entire and stupid headcanon. That is the thing that you are in denial about it.
Your stupid implications makes no sense.
Can you drop the defense mechanism when it comes to Meliodas? It's so tedious to argue with you when you automatically get defensive and offended at any text that doesn't praise or place Meliodas in a positive light.

Because they're numerous feats in the series which dwarfs the speed of sound.
Mel was stated to be faster than the speed of sound since in the Kingdom Invasion arc.
Lightning moves faster than the speed of sound,and Gilthunder's lightning is a few hundred times faster than the speed of sound.
Galan can jump hundreds of miles in an instant which again,dwarfs the speed of sound.
Flash on being only as fast as the speed of sound would mean Ludociel is slower than a regular bullet fired from most guns irl.
So yeah,the speed of sound is pretty pathetic for a series like NNT.
The speed of light however is a different story.

When was Meliodas stated to be faster than the speed of sound?

Gilthunder can't move as fast as lightning, so in a battle against Ludoshel he'd get killed before he could do anything.

Galan still slower than sound.

it's not that pathetic of a feat tbh
 

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Can you drop the defense mechanism when it comes to Meliodas? It's so tedious to argue with you when you automatically get defensive and offended at any text that doesn't praise or place Meliodas in a positive light.




When was Meliodas stated to be faster than the speed of sound?

Gilthunder can't move as fast as lightning, so in a battle against Ludoshel he'd get killed before he could do anything.

Galan still slower than sound.

it's not that pathetic of a feat tbh
 

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New matchup

AM Meliodas vs Sariel,Tarmiel & Ludoshel

King vs Diane

Gerheade vs Elaine
 

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New matchup

AM Meliodas vs Sariel,Tarmiel & Ludoshel

King vs Diane

Gerheade vs Elaine
Obviously AM Meliodas, seeing what wannabe Meliodas version 2 ( current Estarossa with 3 commandments ) did casually.

I will give it to King with extreme difficulty.

Elaine.
 
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