Discussion NNT versus thread

[Mythoclast]

Which is why your examples are a mismatch. Those three, well excluding Arthur, actually showed feats both in magic and physically whereas Eli only in the magic area (and probably durability).

The only fair match up there is against Arthur, which I think Eli also takes. The only reason he was able to hit the high ranked demons, is because the were testing the Excalibur.

Eli has the advantage of flight and she can just spam Spiteful Saint in the air and wait for Excalibur to wear off.

Chandler and Cusack were testing it.Mel and Zeldris on the otherhand were not.Purposefully getting hit to test something is not within their character.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Question for Elizabeth: Has this girl actually dodged any attack that was ever thrown at her? Because every time I see her if someone tries to attack her she gets hit.

As for her flying up in the sky and trying to attack, Arthur can still hit her. I think he hit zeldris while he was flying iirc

Edit: it was Mel. He jumped up a boat load then shot him to the ground

Also hype doesn’t mean much unless it’s used as a direct comparison or has some feats to back it up. Merlin was stated to be the greatest sorceress in all of Britannia by Escanor and she’s only 4K.

 

[HereNThere]

Merlin was stated to be the greatest sorceress in all of Britannia by Escanor and she’s only 4K.

Escanor's words about Merlin shouldn't be taken at face value given his...let's say elevated opinions of her.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Escanor's words about Merlin shouldn't be taken at face value given his...let's say elevated opinions of her.

Couldn’t the same be said for the 4AA and for Merlin though? They’ve all shown to be particularly fond of Elizabeth minus Ludoshel

 

[HereNThere]

Couldn’t the same be said for the 4AA and for Merlin though? They’ve all shown to be particularly fond of Elizabeth minus Ludoshel

Probably.

The way that he's been characterized, Escanor basically worships the ground Merlin walks on. So his opinions are going to be super biased. That's not to say that what he says isn't true, it's just, coming from him, I'd expect him to say something like that.

Merlin and the 4AA, I'm giving the slight benefit of the doubt. Their praise for Eli seems more measured in comparison, the Archangels especially. They respect her power, but they don't make it seem like she's the end all be all. Merlin, I'd say, is a hop and a skip away from appearing biased, so I won't defend her much, but she's not put Eli on as high a pedestal as Escanor puts her on.

 

[OtakuFreak]

ouldn’t the same be said for the 4AA and for Merlin though? They’ve all shown to be particularly fond of Elizabeth minus Ludoshel

True, but it's not like such fondness is invalid when it comes to praising or complimenting Elizabeth.

I mean, even Ludoshel, who dislikes Elizabeth's ideals/personality and her relationship with Meliodas has yet to disrespect her power. In fact, he's been seen to compliment or want her power as seen by him asking for her intervention during the Indura battle, and not counter-arguing against Sariel's need for her strength.

Escanor thinks of Merlin as a God to him.

7DS + AA's have a higher opinion of Elizabeth but as @eefrit stated she isn't worshiped.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

True, but it's not like such fondness is invalid when it comes to praising or complimenting Elizabeth.

I mean, even Ludoshel, who dislikes Elizabeth's ideals/personality and her relationship with Meliodas has yet to disrespect her power. In fact, he's been seen to compliment or want her power as seen by him asking for her intervention during the Indura battle, and not counter-arguing against Sariel's need for her strength.

Escanor thinks of Merlin as a God to him.

7DS + AA's have a higher opinion of Elizabeth but as @eefrit stated she isn't worshiped.

Yeah, but even characters such as Elaine have gone onto state that King is unstoppable when he fights for others, which is why I don't buy into praise unless it can be backed up by a direct comparison. Even others said that Zaratras could go toe to toe with the sins, yet Mel wrecked him with ease.

Plus look at Arthur The "legendary heroes" inside his sword turned out to be hyped up so much so that people swore that he would destroy Mel and the others, and then they fell flat on their faces. Mel wasn't even trying; along with Zeldris and Cusack and Chandler. Once they flaunted their aura's the heroes knew their place

 

[Bøjan]

Even others said that Zaratras could go toe to toe with the sins, yet Mel wrecked him with ease.

I think that was 32k Mel against him lol, but even at 3k he'd beat him.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

I think that was 32k Mel against him lol, but even at 3k he'd beat him.

Yeah I know it was 32K. But still, 32K vs. 3K is a slaughter fest

 

[OtakuFreak]

Even others said that Zaratras could go toe to toe with the sins, yet Mel wrecked him with ease.

eah I know it was 32K. But still, 32K vs. 3K is a slaughter fest

The context matters here.
That comment regarding Zaratras was only made before the whole ''32k'' PL Meliodas was introduced.
So it did make sense only the sins could fight Zaratras evenly.

Yeah, but even characters such as Elaine have gone onto state that King is unstoppable when he fights for others, which is why I don't buy into praise unless it can be backed up by a direct comparison

Context matters her too.
Elaine made that comment at a time where the sins were the strongest in the story.
In fact, you could even argue that King as the Fairy King was the strongest individual because the ten commandments came into play, so her comment only made sense back then, but not now.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

The context matters here.
That comment regarding Zaratras was only made before the whole ''32k'' PL Meliodas was introduced.
So it did make sense only the sins could fight Zaratras evenly.



Context matters her too.
Elaine made that comment at a time where the sins were the strongest in the story.
In fact, you could even argue that King as the Fairy King was the strongest individual because the ten commandments came into play, so her comment only made sense back then, but not now.

Mel was 32K for Zaratras’ entire life. Mel only lost that power after the coup, which was also the day that Zaratras was killed on. I don’t see why Nakaba wouldn’t know the future of his own manga. He kept Escanor’s peak consistent even after Assault Mel was introduced. Plus if we go by “Well this happens before this”, then by that logic any argument that Elizabeth is AA level gets thrown out because we’d have to throw out old information in favor of new feats for constant and updated comparisons

Also Elaine made that comment before the sins were formed, so if anything she’s just basing it off of bias towards her brother while not having any knowledge of the outside world

 

[HereNThere]

Also Elaine made that comment before the sins were formed, so if anything she’s just basing it off of bias towards her brother while not having any knowledge of the outside world

To be fair, her only frame of reference would be the Fairy World, where King was the strongest, so she was technically right. Your point still stands though.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

To be fair, her only frame of reference would be the Fairy World, where King was the strongest, so she was technically right. Your point still stands though.

Yeah I'm not saying she's completly correct or incorrect, I'm just noting how a bit of bias can sneak into feats to some degree

 

[Demonspeed]

1. Wild VS Derrierie.
2. Wild VS Estarossa.
3. Wild VS Sariel and Tarmiel(not together).

 

[HereNThere]

1. Wild VS Derrierie.
2. Wild VS Estarossa.
3. Wild VS Sariel and Tarmiel(not together).

My gut reaction is to say that he's up their with Sariel and Tamriel, but we'll have a better idea of his level if he goes to the human world or, alternatively, once we get a proper scaling for Ban. He's taken two hits from the Demon King (it could even potentially be argued that he dodged reacted to and dodged the finger flick), and recovered instantly. His attack was of a pretty intense scale when you consider his actual size and the size of the Demon King. Then he finally dodged the DK's lighting strike. The only thing that gives me pause is that the DK may have been holding back, so it's not completely clear, but the sheer fact that he's doing this well against someone of his power still makes me definitely think Derierre and Estarossa would be outclassed.

 

[AvatarReiko]

1. Wild VS Derrierie.
2. Wild VS Estarossa.
3. Wild VS Sariel and Tarmiel(not together).

Wild stomps all rounds. My brother was no selling hits from the DK like it was no big deal. He's god tier

 

[Demonspeed]

My gut reaction is to say that he's up their with Sariel and Tamriel, but we'll have a better idea of his level if he goes to the human world or, alternatively, once we get a proper scaling for Ban. He's taken two hits from the Demon King (it could even potentially be argued that he dodged reacted to and dodged the finger flick), and recovered instantly. His attack was of a pretty intense scale when you consider his actual size and the size of the Demon King. Then he finally dodged the DK's lighting strike. The only thing that gives me pause is that the DK may have been holding back, so it's not completely clear, but the sheer fact that he's doing this well against someone of his power still makes me definitely think Derierre and Estarossa would be outclassed.

Same, I am not sure he can beat an Archangel but I would say he is more durable. DK holding back or not, I doubt they would have been able to take that finger flick without healing.

 

[Gojo Satoru]

Elizabeth vs Derrieri (this might cause controversy but eeeh)

Estarossa (before the extra two C)vs Zeldris

 

[Bøjan]

Elizabeth vs Derrieri (this might cause controversy but eeeh)

Eli

Estarossa (before the extra two C)vs Zeldris

Zeldris

 

[OtakuFreak]

Eli

Zeldris

Zeldris vs Estarossa would be interesting?