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[Bøjan]

Hmm.. i think this one hasn't been discussed before.

Demon Mark Meliodas (post-Purgatory) vs True form Chandler and Cusack

I'd say it wouldn't be easy for Meliodas at all, especially since Chandler knows every ability that Meliodas has and knows his style of fighting because he's the one who taught him how to fight since he was a kid. Cusack logically should be more or less as powerful as Chandler, so fighting both isn't easy by any means.

 

[kaiiruuu]

Which is nothing for someone like Meliodas who is physically stronger and has Full Counter. Or you saying that Archangels are stronger than Meliodas? The downplay is real with you lmao.

No one said the AAs are stronger than Meliodas though. Point is no attacks so far have seriously injured them, unless Hellblaze does. Also, Full Counter has been countered MANY times.

 

[OtakuFreak]

No one said the AAs are stronger than Meliodas though. Point is no attacks so far have seriously injured them, unless Hellblaze does. Also, Full Counter has been countered MANY times.

Monspiet and Derriere casually man handled the AA's.

I wouldn't put the Indura's far off Assault Meliodas, maybe 20-30k depending on their phase? If so, a serious Assault Meliodas would do some serious damage eventually against AA's in a 1v1

 

[Raiyan]

Purgatory Ban vs Monspiet??Ill go with Ban snatching Mon's physical strength and ripping out his heart

Monspiet has no real way to take out Ban, except, of course, for his patent headlock, which could probably even bypass Ban's immortality, given it's level of power.

i'll go with Monspiet.
He can use Hellblaze as it neglects Ban immortality and it was stated he's one of the greatest users of it even in DC. And Trickster is pretty handy if you throw Hellfire one direction and use the ability it to switch place with BAN.

 

[sobreno]

No one said the AAs are stronger than Meliodas though. Point is no attacks so far have seriously injured them, unless Hellblaze does. Also, Full Counter has been countered MANY times.

Lol, the only way to counter Full counter is being faster than the user or using diversion like an illusion for example.

Good luck against prime Meliodas.

 

[MasniBog]

i'll go with Monspiet.
He can use Hellblaze as it neglects Ban immortality and it was stated he's one of the greatest users of it even in DC. And Trickster is pretty handy if you throw Hellfire one direction and use the ability it to switch place with BAN.

Hellblaze shouldn't affect Ban now ,after he spent thousand years+ in purgatory

 

[HereNThere]

i'll go with Monspiet.
He can use Hellblaze as it neglects Ban immortality and it was stated he's one of the greatest users of it even in DC. And Trickster is pretty handy if you throw Hellfire one direction and use the ability it to switch place with BAN.

Are we sure about that anymore? Nakaba sure has been going out of the way to make sure no Demon uses Hellblaze on Ban, so I'm not 100% that's even true for anyone aside from Mel. Hell, before, just having demon blood period negated Ban's regeneration, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore either.

The chapter before last also made it seem like Mel was special because he could harm Ban, despite the fact that demons are also capable of doing the technique Mel used to harm him.

 

[Kay3795]

Monspeit himself is a tricky combantant because he's a magician. If Ban hadn't grown to at least Galan lvl, he'd go down quite easily against him via sealing by PoD or hellblaze (which he's a master of the art).

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Depends on who hits who first. Theoretically ban could easily sap Monspeet’s strength and render him useless before Monspeet can even attack. Basically ban can do that to petty much anyone with low strength (by low I mean characters that don’t really specialize in physical combat.) so even if they are stronger Ban can just “cheat”.

 

[sobreno]

Monspiet until Ban show that he is really at the level of the 10C upper class.

 

[Raiyan]

Are we sure about that anymore? Nakaba sure has been going out of the way to make sure no Demon uses Hellblaze on Ban, so I'm not 100% that's even true for anyone aside from Mel. Hell, before, just having demon blood period negated Ban's regeneration, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore either.

The chapter before last also made it seem like Mel was special because he could harm Ban, despite the fact that demons are also capable of doing the technique Mel used to harm him.

yeah I agree with you on that. Against the demons his main weakness is Hellblaze which we didn't see that much after 1st part of the manga. if Nakaba makes hellblaze useless against BAN..he will become pretty damn OP if i guess considering nobody could kill him.

 

[Demonspeed]

Ban should be at least at the level of Gowther, Diane and King when they faced Chandler. Maybe he will be revealed stronger than that, but until we get more feats I don't see how he could beat Monspiet.

And about Hellblaze, it should be noted that Monspiet is one of its best users, if not the best.

Hmm.. i think this one hasn't been discussed before.

Demon Mark Meliodas (post-Purgatory) vs True form Chandler and Cusack

I'd say it wouldn't be easy for Meliodas at all, especially since Chandler knows every ability that Meliodas has and knows his style of fighting because he's the one who taught him how to fight since he was a kid. Cusack logically should be more or less as powerful as Chandler, so fighting both isn't easy by any means.

Against the two of them together? Meliodas loses. Though Cusack lacks feats.

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Depends on who hits who first. Theoretically ban could easily sap Monspeet’s strength and render him useless before Monspeet can even attack. Basically ban can do that to petty much anyone with low strength (by low I mean characters that don’t really specialize in physical combat.) so even if they are stronger Ban can just “cheat”.

Not really, for Hunter Fest he needs quite a bit of time. Last time it worked so well because Galan let him do it.

 

[ShadowHeart]

Monspiet has no real way to take out Ban, except, of course, for his patent headlock, which could probably even bypass Ban's immortality, given it's level of power.

Are you forgetting about Hellblaze? Helll he could take Ban soul and eat it.

 

[Master of the Sun]

Helbram (linked with all Holy Knights) vs AM Meliodas and 114k Escanor
King, Merlin, Diane, Ban, Gowther (Holy Knights arc) vs all Holy Knights
King vs Graylord
Diane vs Merascylla
Sariel and Tarmiel (human hosts) vs Monspiet and Derieri
Wild vs Galan

 

[Bøjan]

Helbram (linked with all Holy Knights) vs AM Meliodas and 114k Escanor
King, Merlin, Diane, Ban, Gowther (Holy Knights arc) vs all Holy Knights
King vs Graylord
Diane vs Merascylla
Sariel and Tarmiel (human hosts) vs Monspiet and Derieri
Wild vs Galan

Helbram oneshotted
King, Merlin, Diane, Ban, Gowther slaughter them
King (if Graylord doesn't have his commandment)
Diane
Sariel and Tarmiel
Not too many feats from wild, but probably Wild

 

[Charon913155]

Helbram (linked with all Holy Knights) vs AM Meliodas and 114k Escanor

You're joking, right?

King, Merlin, Diane, Ban, Gowther (Holy Knights arc) vs all Holy Knights

I'd say the sins win. The Holy Knights far outnumber them but Ban, Merlin and Gowther are OP in this situation.

King vs Graylord

Grayroad, but only because of her commandment.

Diane vs Merascylla

Merascylla thanks to gloom cocoon.

Sariel and Tarmiel (human hosts) vs Monspiet and Derieri

Sariel and Tarmiel got this hands down. Last time they caused trouble for Monspiet and Derieri without even trying.

Wild vs Galan

Wild

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Helbram (linked with all Holy Knights) vs AM Meliodas and 114k Escanor
King, Merlin, Diane, Ban, Gowther (Holy Knights arc) vs all Holy Knights
King vs Graylord
Diane vs Merascylla
Sariel and Tarmiel (human hosts) vs Monspiet and Derieri
Wild vs Galan

AM and Escanor. Easily
King if Grayroad doesn't have her commandment
Melascula. Merlin said that Mela could've beaten the sins if she didn't transform into a snake
Sariel and Tarmiel oneshot
Galand. Wild is only alive because of the DK's mercy and because Wild is comedic effect

 

[Charon913155]

Ludoshel, Sariel and Tarmiel vs Zeldris, Estarossa, Dolor, Gloxinia, Derieri (1 heart), Monspiet (1 heart), Fraudrin, Grayroad, Melascula and Galand.

 

[Master of the Sun]

IIRC Merlin stated that the combined powers of all Holy Knights are 180k or something, but it is possible i misremembered. Either way they can`t give 100% of their power to Helbram and there would still be a lot of Spirit in that 180k so i agree with Helbram getting stomped.

Ludoshel, Sariel and Tarmiel vs Zeldris, Estarossa, Dolor, Gloxinia, Derieri (1 heart), Monspiet (1 heart), Fraudrin, Grayroad, Melascula and Galand.

We have yet to see Zeldris in a proper fight but for now i`d say the AAs win, assuming Indura form is not allowed.

 

[HereNThere]

IRC Merlin stated that the combined powers of all Holy Knights are 180k or something, but it is possible i misremembered. Either way they can`t give 100% of their power to Helbram and there would still be a lot of Spirit in that 180k so i agree with Helbram getting stomped.

You were only off by 30k. With the Sins, excluding Escanor, but including pre power up Mel, the Holy Knights have a total of 150k, without them it's 130k. You can probably replace Mel when you add in Gilthunder and Howzer's new power level, Jericho's new power, and Vivian power level.

A better scenario would be to separate AM Mel and Escanor and have Helbram fight them one on one.

King, Merlin, Diane, Ban, Gowther (Holy Knights arc) vs all Holy Knights

The quality of the Sins powers should overpower the quantity of Holy Knights.

King vs Graylord

King. Graylord's Commandment shouldn't matter since King has the petrification ability that he hasn't shown in years.

Diane vs Merascylla

Hmm, Merascylla depending on how she fights. If she has souls possess Diane, then Diane would be defenseless against her. If she goes Giant Snake, Diane will destroy her.

Sariel and Tarmiel (human hosts) vs Monspiet and Derieri

Sariel and Tamriel.

Wild vs Galan

Need more information on Wild.

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Ludoshel, Sariel and Tarmiel vs Zeldris, Estarossa, Dolor, Gloxinia, Derieri (1 heart), Monspiet (1 heart), Fraudrin, Grayroad, Melascula and Galand.

Assuming the AAs don't screw around like they did in the past, their only threat should be Zeldris.