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[Raiyan]

What is Meliodas PL post purgatory again? 60k?

Base is 60k
1st Demon mark probably 70-75k
2nd Demon mark probably 75-90k (I think his 2nd mark is AA tier like Sar and Tar)

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Here's a few:

Chandler in Dragon Form vs Post-Purgatory (PP) Meliodas(Where he is 90-100k)

Chandler with a mid difficultly

Ludoshel vs 90-100k Meliodas

Havent seen Ludo in fight that much so I'll go with mel

Mael ''The One'' vs Demon King (50%)

DK nothing more to say

Goddess Elizabeth + Meliodas (90-100k) vs Ludoshel, Sariel + Tarmiel

3 AA bitch slap both of them with low dif (Eli will be useless most of the time in this fight i think)

Four Archangels (Mael has sunshine at 11:00 am) vs Ten Commandments (Meliodas as leader, no Assault mode)

10C (numbers will play a big role here)

Four Archangels (Mael is at 11:00 am) vs Assault Meliodas

4 AA

Goddess Elizabeth vs Meliodas (60k base, 90-100k second demon mark)

do i need to say

 

[Bøjan]

Chandler in Dragon Form vs Post-Purgatory (PP) Meliodas(Where he is 90-100k)

Chandler hasn't shown something that puts him at 100k in his dragon form because he was actually hurt from Glox and Drole and they are only 50k. Meliodas mid diff.

Ludoshel vs 90-100k Meliodas

Due to hype and being the MC (and obviously his own power) i'll say Meliodas with mid to high diff.

Mael ''The One'' vs Demon King (50%)

DK low diff at best.

Goddess Elizabeth + Meliodas (90-100k) vs Ludoshel, Sariel + Tarmiel

AA's with high diff. Goddess Elizabeth isn't a joke and same for Demon Mark Meliodas.

Four Archangels (Mael has sunshine at 11:00 am) vs Ten Commandments (Meliodas as leader, no Assault mode)

AA's low to mid diff.

Four Archangels (Mael is at 11:00 am) vs Assault Meliodas

AM Meliodas with high diff. The only threat is 11:00AM Mael, others are far outclassed here. Also "Meliodas with high diff" can change to the AA's but we know nothing about Mael's PL.

Goddess Elizabeth vs Meliodas (60k base, 90-100k second demon mark)

Meliodas with at least mid diff.



I actually forgot about these, oops

 

[Raiyan]

Chandler hasn't shown something that puts him at 100k in his dragon form because he was actually hurt from Glox and Drole and they are only 50k. Meliodas mid diff.

Chandler atleast should be 80-90K. I think he's the same lvl as Mel with 2nd Demon mark after he killed two kings even with low magic and spirit.

 

[Bøjan]

Chandler atleast should be 80-90K. I think he's the same lvl as Mel with 2nd Demon mark after he killed two kings even with low magic and spirit.

He's 50-60k in base, and he got hurt by characters that are 50k, so him being above 80-85k doesn't make sense at all.

 

[Raiyan]

He's 50-60k in base, and he got hurt by characters that are 50k, so him being above 80-85k doesn't make sense at all.

I'll say base is 60k+ but in dragon form he's way stronger and he wasn't hurt that much by the 2 Kings. In the end he killed them without much of a stress with less magic/spirit power. And if we go by the equation that 2 Com = 1 AA he's pretty close AA tier or same as them.

 

[Mythoclast]

Any type of injuries that the Goddesses showed to regenerate off, the Demons also showed it.

The only feat that they both didn't show was the Ban feat, coming from the entire destruction of the body.

You didn't answer my question.

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Chandler hasn't shown something that puts him at 100k in his dragon form because he was actually hurt from Glox and Drole and they are only 50k.

Gloxinia gave him a few tiny wounds while he wasn't paying attention.Stop over exaggerating it.
-Tarmiel got beaten to a pulp and got his brains blown out by 50k characters.
-Sariel got his his eye gouged out by a 50k character.Both suffered worse wounds than Chandler did at the hands of 50k characters.lel

He's Archangel level at the very least which is in the same tier as this version of Mel.It's just that Chandler has way more in his arsenal and has more versatility.

Meliodas mid diff.

Mel is gonna get a spanking from his master.

 

[sobreno]

You didn't answer my question.

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Gloxinia gave him a few tiny wounds while he wasn't paying attention.Stop over exaggerating it.
-Tarmiel got beaten to a pulp and got his brains blown out by 50k characters.
-Sariel got his his eye gouged out by a 50k character.Both suffered worse wounds than Chandler did at the hands of 50k characters.lel

He's Archangel level at the very least which is in the same tier as this version of Mel.It's just that Chandler has way more in his arsenal and has more versatility.




Mel is gonna get a spanking from his master.

I did lol.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Let's revive this once more:

114K Escanor vs Indura Derriere
114K Escanor vs 3C Estarossa
AM Meliodas vs 3C Estarossa

Conditions

- Escanor stays like that in the entirely of the fight. He can't access to The One and his power doesn't increase or decrease with the time at all.
- Estarossa isn't rejected by the decrees and can fight normally without problems.
- Bloodlusted.

 

[OtakuFreak]

114K Escanor vs Indura Derriere

Derriere with moderate difficulty.

Phase 2 would be too much for Escanor.

114K Escanor vs 3C Estarossa

Close match.

Escanor with high difficulty tbh

AM Meliodas vs 3C Estarossa

Meliodas. Easy-Moderate difficulty

 

[Shadowlord123]

Derriere with moderate difficulty.

Phase 2 would be too much for Escanor.

How strong do you think Indura Derriere is? I was thinking that she's around 100K in her initial form and when she evolves a little bit higher but not too much, let's say around 110-115K at best. That's my guess.

 

[Bøjan]

114K Escanor vs Indura Derriere

Escanor with high diff. Induras are easily above 100k but not by much. If Derriere goes to Phase 2 then she wins.

114K Escanor vs 3C Estarossa

I would give it to Estarossa with mid to high diff, since he has regeneration and Escanor doesn't. They should be more or less equal (if 28k boost per Commandment is true).

AM Meliodas vs 3C Estarossa

Meliodas easily, we already saw what happened to 114k Escanor.

 

[Shutensatsu]

114K Escanor vs Indura Derriere

Going to have to say Escanor.

Ludo probably isn’t too much above 100K+.

Indura Derriere isn’t that much stronger than him(if at all). She still couldn’t down him, and he still had yet to get serious and use his grace.

We found out later on that the AA’s are much stronger than that fight made them look. Most people had Tarmiel/Sariel at around 50K-60K because normal Derierie and Monspiet did pretty well against them. Later on they said they were stronger than 88K, and it was pretty much shown they could have beaten their normal forms easily if they got serious.

So I’m gonna say Escanor can inch out a win here. Going off the assumption Derierie and Ludo are above 100K but not 110K, and Ludo could have (possibly) beaten her when he was about to get serious, before Eli came in.

He loses if she goes to that complete transformation though.

114K Escanor vs 3C Estarossa

Estarossa.

I think they’re about the same.

It’d go the same as their first fight but end with Esta’s Victory becaus no high noon form.

Looks like he got about 30K from every commandment he absorbed.

AM Meliodas vs 3C Estarossa

Estarossa gets absolutely smashed.

He was only 88K with the 2nd. Mel is 142K at full strength. That’s a 54K gap.

There’s no way that last commandmnet gave him that much power.

He gets bodied.

 

[TarXan]

Here's a few:

Chandler in Dragon Form vs Post-Purgatory (PP) Meliodas(Where he is 90-100k)

Meliodas no difficulty, Chandler would forfeit at the idea of having to fight his beloved pupil

Ludoshel vs 90-100k Meliodas

Meliodas, mid difficulty

Mael ''The One'' vs Demon King (50%)

Idk but isn’t The One invulnerable/invincible ?

Goddess Elizabeth + Meliodas (90-100k) vs Ludoshel, Sariel + Tarmiel

Meliodas extremely high difficulty

Spoiler

This panel pretty much implies he can fight all 3

Four Archangels (Mael has sunshine at 11:00 am) vs Ten Commandments (Meliodas as leader, no Assault mode)

Shit idek

Four Archangels (Mael is at 11:00 am) vs Assault Meliodas

AA high difficulty

Goddess Elizabeth vs Meliodas (60k base, 90-100k second demon mark)

If they've been asked and answered before, ignore them.

Elizabeth is getting groped to death

 

[Master of the Sun]

King vs Gowther
Merlin vs Ban
Merlin, King, Diane, Gowther, Ban vs Sariel and Tarmiel
Misfits vs Albion
Zaratras, Hendrickson, Dreyfus, Misfits vs Edinburgh Vampires

 

[Shutensatsu]

King vs Gowther

Can go either way.

King can oneshot Gowther.

Gowther can oneshot King(or really anyone if he gets the mind control off properly).

King’s spirit is only 820. Yeah it increases with his power-up but probably not that much. Spirit never does.

Leaning torwards Gowther.

Merlin vs Ban

Merlin bodies him without issue.

His immortal body isn’t going to be a Issue for her, and she has no strength for him to steal.

Merlin, King, Diane, Gowther, Ban vs Sariel and Tarmiel

Tarmiel and Sariel throw them into the Enlil dimension and all of them die.

Misfits vs Albion

Albion’s stomp.

Zaratras, Hendrickson, Dreyfus, Misfits vs Edinburgh Vampires

Holy knights win because of Hendrickson and Zaratras.

They can use purge. Purge is super effective against vampires. Worse case for the king one of them sacrifice their lives and use super purge on him which would kill him instantly.

They win with 1 casualty at worse.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Tarmiel and Sariel throw them into the Enlil dimension and all of them die.

Disagree.

They can throw all of them into their dimensions, but Merlin can just perfect cube herself or everyone else (e.g Like vs Galan) and stop the combination of Ocean + Tornado from happening.

Plus, I imagine Merlin could escape or find a way to break out of the dimension given her extensive knowledge of magic.

 

[Demonspeed]

King vs Gowther

They are rather similar. King's mastery of his Increase will matter a lot here. But I'd say Gowther more often than not.

Merlin vs Ban

Merlin wins. Until we learn more I put Ban at the same level as Merlin, Gowther, King and Diane. He is disadvantaged by his lack of ST and Merlin has really good ways to deal with him.

Merlin, King, Diane, Gowther, Ban vs Sariel and Tarmiel

I think the Sins have good chances to win this. Gowther and King did pretty well against Chandler and they can use Celestial Arrow, Merlin could amplify its power too. But, due to lack of feats and the fact that the Archangels are too I give this to the Archangels.

Misfits vs Albion

Albion wins.

Zaratras, Hendrickson, Dreyfus, Misfits vs Edinburgh Vampires

Even without Dreyfus's recent power up, I think I would give them the win. Break is one of the most best Magic IMO, Zaratras and Hendrickson are strong for Humans, have Druid powers, the Misfits add more firepower and have good teamwork, Griamore can also help more with his Wall etc.

 

[Estarossa173]

King vs Gowther
Merlin vs Ban
Merlin, King, Diane, Gowther, Ban vs Sariel and Tarmiel
Misfits vs Albion
Zaratras, Hendrickson, Dreyfus, Misfits vs Edinburgh Vampires

Hard to say for King vs Gowther. But I’d give it Gowther.
Merlin vs Ban - Merlin, no doubt about it. I’m sure she has plenty of ways to deal with Ban.
Merlin, King, Diane, Gowther, and Ban Vs Sariel and Tamriel - I give it to the archangels.
Misfits vs Albion - Albion hands down.
Zaratras, Hendrickson, Dreyfus, Misfits vs Edinburgh Vampires - The Holy Knights. Hendrickson and Zaratras are the biggest factors here due to Purge.

 

[Demonspeed]

Zaratras, Hendrickson, Dreyfus, Misfits vs Edinburgh Vampires - The Holy Knights. Hendrickson and Zaratras are the biggest factors here due to Purge.

Purge would be useless actually since it works on possessed people. But these two can heal and are strong. As Dreyfus is now, he is easily the strongest though.

 

[Shutensatsu]

Gowther vs. Cath.

Can he resist invasion?

He has the highest spirit stat in the series if I remember correctly.