Discussion Official Baam Discussion Thread

[Demonspeed]

No one ever stated that Enryu is a god. Furthermore, I still think that he's inside the tower but on a secret floor or something that hasn't been found yet. I don't remember who said it in the story but I remember reading someone saying that the tower is full of secret floors that hasn't been found yet so he probably hides on a floor like that.

But it's in the thread title .

You want him to deliver this thorn directly into the hands of who? Baam is not coming for a thousand years.

You also said he killed all these people out of anger but he sure did not look angry. The survivors described it as beautiful. That does not sound like someone in a rage. You also seem to equate his OP with the thorn and even go so far as to say "without the thorn, which I can't stress enough he didn't seem to deliver, he is probably not quite as op as he was against the admin." However, there is absolutely nothing in the story or imagery to suggest this. Quite to the contrary, he is ranked #2 which is pretty OP. That thorn was meant for Baam and we can't even say if anyone, such as Zahard himself, can use it. Karaka even wanted to melt Baam down to gain access to the thorn. When we see Enryu in all his glory attacking, we do not see any evidence of him using the thorn.

There is no discussion of Enryu outside of the FOD. There is no indication he even climbed the tower at all. He came by way of some special door and just disappeared. The only suggestion that he is in the tower is the fact that Headon is said to be looking for him. For an admin who can go anywhere, this seems rather remarkable that in a thousand years he has been unable to find anything about Enryu. Personally, I think the power of Enryu is equivalently in the thorn and Enryu has left the building the same way he entered. That was his mission and it has been accomplished. However, if Enryu was to re-enter the tower, for whatever reason, I am certain Zahard would regret picking a fight with him and Zahard would be squashed like a bug.

I think Enryu used the Thorn to do what he did but he is obviously very powerful without it. SIU also confirmed his strength so even without the Thorn he is stronger than the 13 Irregulars. Yes, he didn't climb the Tower, he entered in the FOD and left after.

 

[shaheer]

Unless enryu has the means to leave and enter the tower then he probably is still within. It shouldn't be too hard for him to hide considering that even if the tower is but a tiny fishtank it is still made up of at least 134 continent sized floors

It seems Towers rule is more powerful power will trump the lesser(FOD immortality issue) Enryu is clearly a cut above admins. I doubt the restrictions of Admins will be a hamper to him in coming and going. Unless the recollection by SIU of the battle we saw was a largely inaccurate one and admin fought equally with Enryu and Enryu got damaged and hurt i can see Enryu coming into any floor after lunch K.O. in another admin and going off for dinner and return again next day.

 

[Demonspeed]

He is working for a god and suddenly appeared on the 43th floor. I don't see why he would be unable to leave.

 

[Brian Taboada]

He is working for a god and suddenly appeared on the 43th floor. I don't see why he would be unable to leave.

Yup. Where did he come from? If he was climbing the tower, I dont think he would 'suddenly' appear. There is no hint of Enyru before the FOD. When they show the door opening to the FOD, I am sure that is from the outside and not the middle area.

 

[Sakashi]

Is it possible that there is a floor only for ”irregulars” in the tower?

 

[shaheer]

Cant be. If there was Urek would have known and asked Bam there somehow. Urek was kinda overjoyed when he learned Bam is like him an irregular, the only thing he said to Bam was dont give flying damn what the guys in the tower wants from you, do your own thing. If ther ewas a secret hangout place for irregulars i am pretty sure Urek would have hinted.

 

[kkck]

Is it possible that there is a floor only for ”irregulars” in the tower?

That would be floor 1 (though tower residents can sneak in apparently)

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You want him to deliver this thorn directly into the hands of who? Baam is not coming for a thousand years.

You also said he killed all these people out of anger but he sure did not look angry. The survivors described it as beautiful. That does not sound like someone in a rage. You also seem to equate his OP with the thorn and even go so far as to say "without the thorn, which I can't stress enough he didn't seem to deliver, he is probably not quite as op as he was against the admin." However, there is absolutely nothing in the story or imagery to suggest this. Quite to the contrary, he is ranked #2 which is pretty OP. That thorn was meant for Baam and we can't even say if anyone, such as Zahard himself, can use it. Karaka even wanted to melt Baam down to gain access to the thorn. When we see Enryu in all his glory attacking, we do not see any evidence of him using the thorn.

There is no discussion of Enryu outside of the FOD. There is no indication he even climbed the tower at all. He came by way of some special door and just disappeared. The only suggestion that he is in the tower is the fact that Headon is said to be looking for him. For an admin who can go anywhere, this seems rather remarkable that in a thousand years he has been unable to find anything about Enryu. Personally, I think the power of Enryu is equivalently in the thorn and Enryu has left the building the same way he entered. That was his mission and it has been accomplished. However, if Enryu was to re-enter the tower, for whatever reason, I am certain Zahard would regret picking a fight with him and Zahard would be squashed like a bug.

We barely even saw his face and even then his expression alone should not be an indicator of whether he acted in anger or not. As for evidence of enryu using the thorn, we absolutely have it. Red shinsoo so far is an indication of enryu using the thorn. There have been at least a few times where bam has used the thorn and shinsoo around him has turned red. Even his orb turned red when he used it alongside the thorn a while back. Of course it is not conclusive but red shinsoo does suggest enryu used the thorn when fighting the administrator.

SIU himself has made the point that at the upper levels rankings are fuzzy because no one has even seen these guys fight for thousands of years. With what little we have seen, been told by SIU and whatever other lore there is around we really have no indication that enryu could wreck zahard or even the other family heads. It could go either way. Sure, enryu is OP but so are the other irregulars around. Enryu killed an administrator but zahard is described as a god within the tower. For all we know all 13 companions at some point acquired the capacity to kill an administrator. Urek was disappointed at the FoD because he expected to fight a proper administrator and all he got was a worthless letfover that could easily foderize top 500 high rankers.

And then, we also have absolutely no idea of what state enryu is currently in. For all we know the fight with the administrator left him half dead and unable to ever fight again. The series has never said enryu won against the administrator easily. All that we know is that he showed up, wrecked the entire floor, killed the admin and disappeared... The claim that enryu could easily win against zahard or his cronnies remains pretty big and SIU could play this a number of ways.

 

[Brian Taboada]

That would be floor 1 (though tower residents can sneak in apparently)
Sure, enryu is OP but so are the other irregulars around. Enryu killed an administrator but zahard is described as a god within the tower. For all we know all 13 companions at some point acquired the capacity to kill an administrator.

It was reported that Sui, when asked explicitly, said Zahard, the strongest of the 13 companions, could not kill an administrator. Maybe its because Zahard does not have the thorn or maybe its because Zahard is just weaker than Enyru.

And then, we also have absolutely no idea of what state enryu is currently in. For all we know the fight with the administrator left him half dead and unable to ever fight again. The series has never said enryu won against the administrator easily. All that we know is that he showed up, wrecked the entire floor, killed the admin and disappeared...

The administrator is dead. We saw it. I think we can surmise that Enryu won without sticking our heads too far out of our shell.

 

[Sakashi]

It was reported that Sui, when asked explicitly, said Zahard, the strongest of the 13 companions, could not kill an administrator. Maybe its because Zahard does not have the thorn or maybe its because Zahard is just weaker than Enyru.



The administrator is dead. We saw it. I think we can surmise that Enryu won without sticking our heads too far out of our shell.

The reason to why Zahard can’t kill an administrator can also be because of the immortality deal he made.

So it doesn’t mean that he’s weak hmm

 

[Brian Taboada]

The reason to why Zahard can’t kill an administrator can also be because of the immortality deal he made.

So it doesn’t mean that he’s weak hmm

That might be so. However, Zahard fought, or took, 134 test from administrators and never is it reported that the 13 companions together harmed one. Enryu, on the other hand, shows up out of nowhere and kills one. Hmmm, the 13 had 134 chances and yet 1 did it on his first try.

 

[kkck]

It was reported that Sui, when asked explicitly, said Zahard, the strongest of the 13 companions, could not kill an administrator. Maybe its because Zahard does not have the thorn or maybe its because Zahard is just weaker than Enyru.



The administrator is dead. We saw it. I think we can surmise that Enryu won without sticking our heads too far out of our shell.

When was that said? That is a fairly big detail.

As for the second bit, that's not what my post said at all. Of course enryu won the fight....

 

[Sakashi]

That might be so. However, Zahard fought, or took, 134 test from administrators and never is it reported that the 13 companions together harmed one. Enryu, on the other hand, shows up out of nowhere and kills one. Hmmm, the 13 had 134 chances and yet 1 did it on his first try.

They indeed had 134 chances my friend but remember that Enryu showed up and killed everyone because something happened between Arlene and Zahard and that made him do whatever he did. In all of these 134 chances they just climbed without stuff like this happening. Furthermore, they were new to the tower and maybe didn’t dare to cross a administrator.

There are a lot of reasons to why they didn’t kill a administrator so we can’t say for sure.

 

[Brian Taboada]

They indeed had 134 chances my friend but remember that Enryu showed up and killed everyone because something happened between Arlene and Zahard and that made him do whatever he did. In all of these 134 chances they just climbed without stuff like this happening. Furthermore, they were new to the tower and maybe didn’t dare to cross a administrator.

There are a lot of reasons to why they didn’t kill a administrator so we can’t say for sure.

We can but Sui seems to imply that they were incapable of it.

 

[Scooptywoop]

We can but Sui seems to imply that they were incapable of it.

He really doesn’t like at all in anyway.

Mistaking them not trying to kill him for them being too weak to kill him is kinda dumb.

 

[DERRICK S NIBLACK]

ehhh I'm inclined to think this theory is true. The image we see of Enryu he looks really similar to Baam. The scarf and jacket and the side of his face. Also Enryu doesn't seem to be all that old.

 

[Ripcord]

ehhh I'm inclined to think this theory is true. The image we see of Enryu he looks really similar to Baam. The scarf and jacket and the side of his face. Also Enryu doesn't seem to be all that old.

Yeah but Bam’s facial features are all wrong for Enryu, plus these facts:

1. Bam was killed already and Arlene had left the tower, AND the 43rd floor was converted to a shrine for Zahard before Enryu showed up and rekt the place.

2. Not to mention that Bam when he entered the tower was way way younger than Enryu at the time of the attack. Sorry but there is no way Bam is Enryu.

Also, I agree with @kkck that red shinsoo equals the thorn (not to be confused with the crimson shinsoo of Red Spirit Punch and the Rose attacks of Yuri). This doesn’t necessarily mean that Enryu used the thorn per say... he could have been using his own power that crystallized into the thorn or something like that... regardless the “power of the thorn” is represented by red shinsoo and Enryu used that same power.

Also, why would Zahard and his companions even want to kill and administrator. That’s stupid. They allow them to rule and give them immortality. Enryu only bothered to kill an admin because he (or his god) was really pissed off.

And last, it might not be about strength but rather the kind of technique that is needed to kill an admin. Just like SIU said about an axis... anyone that isn’t an axis is powerless against the weakest axis. Well, maybe anyone that lacks the power of the Thorn can’t kill an admin. Granted the thorn is pretty hax in that it feels like it equals strength, BUT ask yourself this: if Bam at the start of Part 2 had fought any of the Family Heads with the thorn would he have won? Hell no.

 

[CantiOG]

FUG understands the power of Irregulars. They wouldn't waste time, and would probably avoid the attention of the Administrator. Bam probably doesn't even think about it.

 

[GOOMOONRYONG]

Baam is very gifted and has been since the day he entered the tower. He has gained tremendous power the last few arcs but still needs time to develop his skills. I believe his ultimate power connected to the shinsu black hole sphere/administrator power is going to be nullification. We have already seen hints at this already the last few arcs, he was able to swallow up Karaka's shinsu and in the most recent chapter he erased the question mark spell from the train station head's daughter. I think this is going to be key in how Baam takes down Zahard. Once Baam sharpens his skills he will be able to cancel Zahard's immortality contract and make him "human". I think this is one huge reason why Zahard is so adamant about killing Baam and his friends. There have been plenty of powerful irregulars in the tower and Zahard never made a move on them, so why go out of his way for Baam? Zahard can see that Baam's ultimate power is a huge threat and must be dealt with before it becomes a bigger problem. Cheers!

 

[Ripcord]

Baam is very gifted and has been since the day he entered the tower. He has gained tremendous power the last few arcs but still needs time to develop his skills. I believe his ultimate power connected to the shinsu black hole sphere/administrator power is going to be nullification. We have already seen hints at this already the last few arcs, he was able to swallow up Karaka's shinsu and in the most recent chapter he erased the question mark spell from the train station head's daughter. I think this is going to be key in how Baam takes down Zahard. Once Baam sharpens his skills he will be able to cancel Zahard's immortality contract and make him "human". I think this is one huge reason why Zahard is so adamant about killing Baam and his friends. There have been plenty of powerful irregulars in the tower and Zahard never made a move on them, so why go out of his way for Baam? Zahard can see that Baam's ultimate power is a huge threat and must be dealt with before it becomes a bigger problem. Cheers!

I suspected Bam’s quality when we saw that Zahard had a quality that represented the hardest/most durable material, as SIU said it was like diamond. I guessed that Bam’s would be the ultimate destructive shinsoo, the one that can break through or eat up any other shinsoo attack. And I also assume he inherited this from V, a as a way of showing the conflict between V and Zahard, an unstoppable force versus an immovable object.

So I agree Bam’s power seems to be something like you describe.

 

[Arjuna]

Baam's true power is harem building

Just saying