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With the recent chapter we can see that baam can fight karaka now and he doesn't seem so far away power wise, baam feat actually is fare more impressive than karaka.
 

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Urek could contain Karaka as much as he wanted to. He was playing with Karaka flicking 1 finger. Yuri tried to contain Karaka but didnt manage to. Tells me that while Yuri is more powerful than karaka the margin isnt overwhelming as such Karaka can do things that he wants to while fighting with Yuri.
 

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Yuri is not urek. For urek karaka is nothing. Karka himself admitted he can't defeat a single finger of urek. But than again karaka was able to escape even from urek. And about Bam couldn't do anything to karka is in past. Bam has make disapear karakas one of attack and Bam also has many hax abilities. He was able to kill an imortal in hidden floor and also his only presense has undo many of the spell very easily. So it is may be possible that Bam can even dispell Karakas spell and defeat him.
 

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Ok first off Urek was shackled to 10% of his power and I believe he was also trying to protect the Regulars nearby. If Urek was at 100% or there were no Regulars then Karaka gets curb stomped.

Yuri was in a similar situation. She had to take out Karaka while not obliterating nearby Regulars. Despite this Rak almost got disintegrated, but still it’s clear she had to hold back.

We are not even halfway up the Tower people. Cool your jets.
 

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Regardless I’m 99 percent sure Yuri and Karaka are going to be story long Rivals
 

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Urek wasnt trying to get karaka, he was toying around. I wanst comparing Urek to Yuri. Srsly even Gustang fears Urek. But i am saying that the margin between Yuri and Karaka isnt very big. Karaka never backed out a fight from yrui to my knowledge, and he was trying to get to Bam while Yuri was trying to contain him. Yuri failed to do so while sacrificing a limb.
Is Yuri more powerful than karaka? yes out of idk 10 fights, i see Yuri winning 10 but is the margin big enough to pose a big threat to him ? i dont think so, you lot think its a big margin probably, fine no issues.
 

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Urek wasnt trying to get karaka, he was toying around. I wanst comparing Urek to Yuri. Srsly even Gustang fears Urek. But i am saying that the margin between Yuri and Karaka isnt very big. Karaka never backed out a fight from yrui to my knowledge, and he was trying to get to Bam while Yuri was trying to contain him. Yuri failed to do so while sacrificing a limb.
Is Yuri more powerful than karaka? yes out of idk 10 fights, i see Yuri winning 10 but is the margin big enough to pose a big threat to him ? i dont think so, you lot think its a big margin probably, fine no issues.
But... we saw how effective karaka's attacks were on yuri. We saw that karaka was literally incapable of inflicting any manner of harm upon her. And yuri was the one who was more restricted when fighting karaka. First because she had to protect then kids while not obliterating them and then because she couldn't go all out at the train. To boot, because of karaka's spells karaka was never in any danger whatsoever at the time. And yet he could probably run into a sleeping yuri and still be unable to even wake her up, let alone inflicting any damage on her. Maybe if karaka's avatars turn out to be really weak and the real thing is vastly stronger he'd have a chance...
 

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Urek wasnt trying to get karaka, he was toying around. I wanst comparing Urek to Yuri. Srsly even Gustang fears Urek. But i am saying that the margin between Yuri and Karaka isnt very big. Karaka never backed out a fight from yrui to my knowledge, and he was trying to get to Bam while Yuri was trying to contain him. Yuri failed to do so while sacrificing a limb.
Is Yuri more powerful than karaka? yes out of idk 10 fights, i see Yuri winning 10 but is the margin big enough to pose a big threat to him ? i dont think so, you lot think its a big margin probably, fine no issues.
Of course Gustang is afraid of Urek. Urek is easily stronger then Gustang and could easily wipe the floor with him. Why wouldn't you be afraid of a guy that can do that and has the tempermant to do so as well.
 

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Of course Gustang is afraid of Urek. Urek is easily stronger then Gustang and could easily wipe the floor with him. Why wouldn't you be afraid of a guy that can do that and has the tempermant to do so as well.
Gustang is afraid of urek lol? Where did you see that, don't bring the argument of the floor of death Because i didn't saw Gustang being afraid. You guys need to stop that urek overhype, not everyone is afraid of him lmao, also urek easily stronger than gustang !!! Do you realize they are both irregular, there is no way he could wip the floor with him , i don't know what story you are reading but it's surely not TOG.
 

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Gustang is afraid of urek lol? Where did you see that, don't bring the argument of the floor of death Because i didn't saw Gustang being afraid. You guys need to stop that urek overhype, not everyone is afraid of him lmao, also urek easily stronger than gustang !!! Do you realize they are both irregular, there is no way he could wip the floor with him , i don't know what story you are reading but it's surely not TOG.
Arie Hon is clearly stated as the strongest of the Ten Family Heads and Aries Hong is on record as saying that Urek is clearly stronger then he is. If Urek is comfortably stronger than Arie Hon who is in turn comfortably stronger then Gustang then Urek probably is quite a bit stronger then Gustang. Also, Gustang himself (A highly arrogant and self aggrandising person) admitted Urek could wipe his whole family (Himself included ) out if Urek wanted to which is as good as any reason to believe he may be afraid of how strong Urek is.

Maybe you underrate Urek. Only four people are stronger then him, one is considered godlike, one killed something considered a God within the tower and the other the author has admitted would wipe out the whole tower with ease if he wanted to; Urek is insanely strong and has no equal within the tower right now.
 

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I would still say that Urek > Gustang but don't take it the wrong way. Gustang is surely very strong and is in the top 20 + he is a irregular. Urek vs Gustang would most likely be a fight where both are even at the beginning but then as the fight goes on Urek would put him in his place due to how strong he is. Furthermore, Urek would also use 100% of his power here because if he doesn't then Gustang wins every day in the week.

I'm just writing this from the details we know and the ranking system. You can also argue and say that it would be a even fight since we haven't seen the 10 families or Urek fight seriously in a long time and I understand that aswell and also agree to a degree,
 
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I would still say that Urek > Gustang but don't take it the wrong way. Gustand is surely very strong and is in the top 20 + he is a irregular. Urek vs Gustang would most likely be a fight where both are even at the beginning but then as the fight goes on Urek would put him in his place due to how strong he is. Furthermore, Urek would also use 100% of his power here because if he doesn't then Gustang wins every day in the week.

I'm just writing this from the details we know and the ranking system. You can also argue and say that it would be a even fight since we haven't seen the 10 families or Urek fight seriously in a long time and I understand that aswell and also agree to a degree,
Urek has fought and overpowered Arie Hon within ten minutes that his challenge allowed. So I assume he would overpower Gustang even more easily then he did Arie Hon who is confirmed as the strongest Family Head. Not to take away from Gustang who is very strong but Urek is on another level similar to Zahard.
 

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Urek has fought and overpowered Arie Hon within ten minutes that his challenge allowed. So I assume he would overpower Gustang even more easily then he did Arie Hon who is confirmed as the strongest Family Head. Not to take away from Gustang who is very strong but Urek is on another level similar to Zahard.
I don't think that Urek is on a similar level as Jahad. Jahad fought Arie 10 times and of all those 10 times he won hard.
 

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Urek has fought and overpowered Arie Hon within ten minutes that his challenge allowed. So I assume he would overpower Gustang even more easily then he did Arie Hon who is confirmed as the strongest Family Head. Not to take away from Gustang who is very strong but Urek is on another level similar to Zahard.
He never overwhelmed arie hon, do you have understanding problem, the record said he fought arie hon on equal term for 10 minutes, after the fight arie hon said urek was better, You don't question yourself if arie hon was bluffing, you can't since he probably just swear by urek strenght also that blogpost was longe ago and SIU said thoses information should be taken lightly and nothing in the manhwa suggests that urek can wipe the floor with a FH, karaka even said that urek power was comparable to Zahard and the 10 power , you look like a little urek fanboy who keep inventing term to fit your own information, it's ridiculous how some people can read a text but will interpret it differently .
 

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He never overwhelmed arie hon, do you have understanding problem, the record said he fought arie hon on equal term for 10 minutes, after the fight arie hon said urek was better, You don't question yourself if arie hon was bluffing, you can't since he probably just swear by urek strenght also that blogpost was longe ago and SIU said thoses information should be taken lightly and nothing in the manhwa suggests that urek can wipe the floor with a FH, karaka even said that urek power was comparable to Zahard and the 10 power , you look like a little urek fanboy who keep inventing term to fit your own information, it's ridiculous how some people can read a text but will interpret it differently .
You come across very rude and presumptuous in this post. I don't know if this is your intention but I just thought I would make you aware in case it's not.

I'm not an Urek fanboy, I don't really care about him. It's just fairly obvious that he is stronger then Gustang and would beat him in a fight and I doubt Urek would be in trouble during the fight. It wouldn't be close from what the text indicates to us (Arie Hon is clearly above Gustang and he states Urek is clearly above himself plus Gustang admitted Urek could destroy his family if he pissed him off) although I never stated that it would be Urek wiping the floor with him (Another presumption from yourself).

Before you start throwing weird insults at me like "Urek fan boy" I don't actually like his character. He is pointless and a deus ex machina way too much in this series at this point and I don't see what purpose he serves nor his motivation either.
 

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He never overwhelmed arie hon, do you have understanding problem, the record said he fought arie hon on equal term for 10 minutes, after the fight arie hon said urek was better, You don't question yourself if arie hon was bluffing, you can't since he probably just swear by urek strenght also that blogpost was longe ago and SIU said thoses information should be taken lightly and nothing in the manhwa suggests that urek can wipe the floor with a FH, karaka even said that urek power was comparable to Zahard and the 10 power , you look like a little urek fanboy who keep inventing term to fit your own information, it's ridiculous how some people can read a text but will interpret it differently .
It look like you are one of Urek hater. SIU always has put Urek above all the ten great worrior and a little below Zahard or may not be even below him. Urek fought arie hon when he was still climbing and he was only upto 100 floor. He was still regular at that time and he overwhelmed arie hon despite at that time he only needed to survive arie hons attack for 10mints. But urek fought him and later arie declared Urek is the strongest. In whichever chapter urek was mentioned always it was about his enormous power and not any other things. So yes he is definitely well above gustang. Who is not known for his combat but his intelligence.
 

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Gustang isnt the strongest of the 13 that climbed it seems. He was the sharpest thats for sure. He is a wave controller but not the strongest wave controller. of the 10 Hon is probably the strongest one may be idk Eudan and Yurin or Eurasia are his equals or near equals. If Hon remarked that Urek is stronger we dont have anything other than that to go on. Gustang said he doesnt want to piss Urek off or Urek will destroy his family or something like that.
There is no reason to believe Urek is weaker than Gustang but good reason as of yet to see Gustang to be weaker than Urek. Can Urek wipe the floor with Gustang? i dont think so, but he can jolly well defeat Gustang if he wants to.
Only Zahard is probably stronger than Urek but given what we saw of Eudan and zahard fighting and their difference not being that major i am not sure if Zahard is really overpoweringly powerful or just a tad powerful.
 

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It look like you are one of Urek hater. SIU always has put Urek above all the ten great worrior and a little below Zahard or may not be even below him. Urek fought arie hon when he was still climbing and he was only upto 100 floor. He was still regular at that time and he overwhelmed arie hon despite at that time he only needed to survive arie hons attack for 10mints. But urek fought him and later arie declared Urek is the strongest. In whichever chapter urek was mentioned always it was about his enormous power and not any other things. So yes he is definitely well above gustang. Who is not known for his combat but his intelligence.
Don't use the argument of regular when urek was never a regular, don't call a lion a cat, it's not his name, why do you call an irregular which tower law doesnt apply to him a regular, even baam the most regular of irregular ,SIU said in the blogpost that even baam is not a regular but you guys love to use that argument to push your agenda about urek being a monster when he fought arie hon whle he entered the tower already strong, also in the story arie hon never said urek is stronger than him, he those are blogpost information which SIU said should be taken with a grain of salt.
 

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@Vitala ok so where would you place Urek, powerwise when you compare with the 10 warriors?
 
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Mazino tied with the most powerful family leader without Shinwonryu !!
That's why arie han managed to keep up with Mazino !!
I think this alone is enough to illustrate the great difference in talent between Mazino and the heads of families !!
 
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