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[cash2088]

If that happens, I think it will be due to Gustang saying Bam's father was the worst person he ever met.

Bam will inherit the grudge between V and Gustang from his father. "Sins of the father" passed on to the son.

No, I would say based of data Edahns description it was a difference of opinion. As you can clearly see Gustang views anybody not an irregular as a “insect” or “bug”. While it was stated by dE that V never viewed the people of the tower as below himself or any of the original 12.... That’s the kind of man Gustang is and V doesn’t fit his world view. But I doubt he would have fought V as V was probably the more skilled combatant.

Fully powered Baam would wreck Gustang. As would have V, immortality or not. Zahard was powerful but V killed himself, goes to show he was no pushover in the least.

He may have liked Arlene very much and therefor is actually on Baams side. He may blame Zahard more for his daughter being sealed and used in his game.

 

[Vitala]

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What is this nonsense, you think it's fairy tail, there is no scenario where baam will wreck gustang without mentioning V, where was it stated that V could wreck gustang like he is a non irregular, you are delusional asf, no FH can wreck another, but i guess since V is the hero father you want him to be strong than anyone , probably to satisfy your fanboyism.

 

[cash2088]

What is this nonsense, you think it's fairy tail, there is no scenario where baam will wreck gustang without mentioning V, where was it stated that V could wreck gustang like he is a non irregular, you are delusional asf, no FH can wreck another, but i guess since V is the hero father you want him to be strong than anyone , probably to satisfy your fanboyism.

Didn’t read or watch fairy tail so don’t get the reference...

Gustang is notably weaker than the others offensively, with Blossom being number 5 offensively when counting the 10... Gustang is support...

There is no fanboyism but unlike you and your deep seeded cynicism I can see differing perspectives and not just show disdain for everything and call it “shounen”.

The act is tired so give it up vitala... and maybe read what I write for once... He survived Zahard and the other irregulars he wasn’t weak.

And lastly Baam isn’t his “son”... His son was a regular this is something else... Baam isn’t the child who died per se he is a being brought forth by the God outside...

Edit: Ummm if Baam is destined to kill Zahard you believe he couldn’t kill Gustang? By what measure or metric?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I'm still of the opinion V was Zahard level or even greater but didn't have the same aspirations as Zahard. And Z sought greater power that made him invincible.

But that's for another thread.

 

[cash2088]

I'm still of the opinion V was Zahard level or even greater but didn't have the same aspirations as Zahard. And Z sought greater power that made him invincible.

But that's for another thread.

FANBOYISM..... lol

On topic, he was a warlord... He fought. Also being at odds with Zahard means he was more than capable.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

FANBOYISM..... lol

On topic, he was a warlord... He fought. Also being at odds with Zahard means he was more than capable.

Yea, I feel that's what the story so far hints at. He was outnumbered by actual FHs and Zahard - all immortal - while himself supposedly merely mortal. And he had his PREGNANT wife spellcaster at his side. Maybe her spells were boss but maybe she didn't even participate. Yea, he had an army but so did the others. What matters is the top dogs on either side and he survived such a disproportionate amount of force as a mortal.

Sorry, but I can't see him as any weaker than Zahard because of that.

It's not like it's impossible. Arie Hon thought he was stronger than Zahard until he kept losing to him. It wouldn't be unheard of to have two strong leaders on par with Zahard's level of power. It's not like pre-king Zahard wasn't just another OG13. He was just stronger and/or more ambitious than the other 10. That doesn't mean V though. Eduan obviously thought V was qualified too.

Yes, by his benevolence but he wouldn't necessarily bend a knee to a weaker king. So I'm pretty sure Eduan was recognizing his strength AND way with the hoi polloi.

 

[Vitala]

Yea, I feel that's what the story so far hints at. He was outnumbered by actual FHs and Zahard - all immortal - while himself supposedly merely mortal. And he had his PREGNANT wife spellcaster at his side. Maybe her spells were boss but maybe she didn't even participate. Yea, he had an army but so did the others. What matters is the top dogs on either side and he survived such a disproportionate amount of force as a mortal.

Sorry, but I can't see him as any weaker than Zahard because of that.

It's not like it's impossible. Arie Hon thought he was stronger than Zahard until he kept losing to him. It wouldn't be unheard of to have two strong leaders on par with Zahard's level of power. It's not like pre-king Zahard wasn't just another OG13. He was just stronger and/or more ambitious than the other 10. That doesn't mean V though. Eduan obviously thought V was qualified too.

Yes, by his benevolence but he wouldn't necessarily bend a knee to a weaker king. So I'm pretty sure Eduan was recognizing his strength AND way with the hoi polloi.

I don't expect anything from you jubei, i know you are pro V as hell.
It was never mentionned that V was outnumbered, we don't even know if the other FH participated in that war and nothing say that he fought all of them, maybe he just fought zahard and lost because in the end he was the loser, i don't by that bullshit of V killed himself, Zahard just violated his family, killed his child in front of him and his wife, killed V in front of arlene and let her live for betraying him.

You don't have to be sorry, you can't see him any weaker than Zahard you are hyped that he is baam father but in the end zahard was the leader and the strongest, V was destined to die and Zahard to be king, that was their fate, you can't escape your fate in this universe.

The eduan you are speaking is the eduan at that point of the climb, he will choose V because of his benovelant personality but not because of his power, even that eduan fought zahard equally, it's not like the gap in power between them was that big at the time.

Gustang is notably weaker than the others offensively, with Blossom being number 5 offensively when counting the 10... Gustang is support...

Gustang was never compared to other FH just blossom and that is because they are both WC, also on what basis are you saying blossom is number 5, with shinsoo she is number 1, it was said that the other FH used to move when she uses shinsoo.

The act is tired so give it up vitala... and maybe read what I write for once... He survived Zahard and the other irregulars he wasn’t weak.

How did he survived ? The guy died and it was not a suicide, i hope not because thatof will just mean he had a very weak will and was a coward to left his wife alone but that is another topic.

Edit: Ummm if Baam is destined to kill Zahard you believe he couldn’t kill Gustang? By what measure or metric?

I never said baam couldn't kill Gustang, i just said he couldn't toy with him like you suggested, that is different.

 

[cash2088]

I don't expect anything from you jubei, i know you are pro V as hell.
It was never mentionned that V was outnumbered, we don't even know if the other FH participated in that war and nothing say that he fought all of them, maybe he just fought zahard and lost because in the end he was the loser, i don't by that bullshit of V killed himself, Zahard just violated his family, killed his child in front of him and his wife, killed V in front of arlene and let her live for betraying him.

You don't have to be sorry, you can't see him any weaker than Zahard you are hyped that he is baam father but in the end zahard was the leader and the strongest, V was destined to die and Zahard to be king, that was their fate, you can't escape your fate in this universe.

The eduan you are speaking is the eduan at that point of the climb, he will choose V because of his benovelant personality but not because of his power, even that eduan fought zahard equally, it's not like the gap in power between them was that big at the time.


Gustang was never compared to other FH just blossom and that is because they are both WC, also on what basis are you saying blossom is number 5, with shinsoo she is number 1, it was said that the other FH used to move when she uses shinsoo.




How did he survived ? The guy died and it was not a suicide, i hope not because thatof will just mean he had a very weak will and was a coward to left his wife alone but that is another topic.



I never said baam couldn't kill Gustang, i just said he couldn't toy with him like you suggested, that is different.

The webcomics author has said so when describing blossom in his blogs..

Rankers 1-15 Blog Post Translations (Collected) - Tower of God

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It says she is superior to Gustang offensively, based on her rank it was deduced she was weaker than Hon, Kuhn, Zahard etc...

V survived a civil war and ended his own life, he fought against Zahard and the other 10 heads, you believe he was weak? And for the record his “kid” was dead and wife insane. He died because he felt he was the reason all of this happened to Arlene.

 

[Vitala]

The webcomics author has said so when describing blossom in his blogs..

Rankers 1-15 Blog Post Translations (Collected) - Tower of God

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vatoto.com

It says she is superior to Gustang offensively, based on her rank it was deduced she was weaker than Hon, Kuhn, Zahard etc...

V survived a civil war and ended his own life, he fought against Zahard and the other 10 heads, you believe he was weak? And for the record his “kid” was dead and wife insane. He died because he felt he was the reason all of this happened to Arlene.

I never said she was stronger than them, just more dangerous with shinsoo and ranked 1 when it comes to destructive attacks.

He survived like all the FH, nothing said they fought between them, i didn't said he was weak just that he had a weak personality, that is all lies, V never killed himself, zahard killed him emotionaly at first then ended his life.

 

[cash2088]

I never said she was stronger than them, just more dangerous with shinsoo and ranked 1 when it comes to destructive attacks.

He survived like all the FH, nothing said they fought between them, i didn't said he was weak just that he had a weak personality, that is all lies, V never killed himself, zahard killed him emotionaly at first then ended his life.

Well if you can’t beat somebody physically I guess emotionally works. But we are talking physical power and not psychological strength.

Whatever your opinion on V it stands to reason if Zahard wanted to kill him and didn’t but harmed a innocent child instead, Zahard couldn’t kill V as easily as it would seem.

They all survived? Ummm because they were IMMORTAL.. Can we not go around in illogical circles of faux reasoning?

 

[Vitala]

If V was so strong why didn't he tried to avenge his dead son ? I want to know because not fighting the guy who killed your son and made your wife insane, but instead he choose to kill himself, if that is not cowardly i don't know.

 

[cash2088]

If V was so strong why didn't he tried to avenge his dead son ? I want to know because not fighting the guy who killed your son and made your wife insane, but instead he choose to kill himself, if that is not cowardly i don't know.

Because no matter how many times you fight an immortal he will still be immortal.... It isn’t that hard to understand.

If he fights Zahard for eternity was it bringing his son back? Would it make his wife happy or sane? No

He figured without him Arlene would be better off. Not justifying it but I won’t disparage it either. It led to Arlene seeking the God Outside and the Baam we currently know.

 

[Vitala]

Because no matter how many times you fight an immortal he will still be immortal.... It isn’t that hard to understand.

If he fights Zahard for eternity was it bringing his son back? Would it make his wife happy or sane? No

He figured without him Arlene would be better off. Not justifying it but I won’t disparage it either. It led to Arlene seeking the God Outside and the Baam we currently know.

There is one thing you forgot while mentionning zahard immortality is that V was an irregular too, that means since he didn't agreed to the contract could kill zahard and the others FH.

 

[cash2088]

There is one thing you forgot while mentionning zahard immortality is that V was an irregular too, that means since he didn't agreed to the contract could kill zahard and the others FH.

I didn’t forget it but the wording regarding irregulars killing Zahard has been hazy. As it has been mentioned the “Thorn” being necessary even for irregulars.

It was stated even Urek who could destroy the whole Po Bidau (Gustangs) family could not kill Zahard either.

So it really hasn’t been stated difinitively just being an irregular allows you to be able to kill Zahard.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I don't expect anything from you jubei, i know you are pro V as hell.

Yeah, God forbid I think one of the strongest characters in the history of the tower (even if he was the weakest of the irregular 13 lol) - a person that fended off an immortal Zahard, a person that is the MC's father (in manga that's pretty much a guarantee of some significant level of strength), an irregular with the strongest tension in the history of the tower is, um STRONG. What an idiot fan-boy, right?

It was never mentionned that V was outnumbered, we don't even know if the other FH participated in that war and nothing say that he fought all of them, maybe he just fought zahard and lost because in the end he was the loser,

Nope. In Arlen's journal it was said there was fighting in the group but eventually they all allied with Zahard against V and Arlen. So, he was hopelessly outnumbered AND supposedly still mortal while his preggo wife more than likely wasn't as much of a battle ally as, say, Arie Hon or Eduan or Ha Yurin etc.

i don't by that bullshit of V killed himself, Zahard just violated his family, killed his child in front of him and his wife, killed V in front of arlene and let her live for betraying him.

I actually think there's a possibility that he might not have really died - that that's a cover-up or he faked it or something to that effect. But that's a separate discussion from V being able to hold off a disproportionate amount of force - with or without the mortality handicap.

You don't have to be sorry, you can't see him any weaker than Zahard you are hyped that he is baam father but in the end zahard was the leader and the strongest, V was destined to die and Zahard to be king, that was their fate, you can't escape your fate in this universe.

I can see him being stronger - if that was revealed by the author - or what the story suggested. Until then we are both just speculating so IMO I think the story hints that he had the strength to more than hold his own. In the end Zahard couldn't end V - he had to 'end himself'.

The eduan you are speaking is the eduan at that point of the climb, he will choose V because of his benovelant personality but not because of his power, even that eduan fought zahard equally, it's not like the gap in power between them was that big at the time.

It's almost as if I hadn't addressed that - only I had. Sure, it was a comment based on personality but the likelihood someone would look UP to a weaker individual is pretty small (especially in a tower where everyone respects strength - survival of the fittest style of climbing up the tower). Not that it's impossible, but Occam's Razor pretty much points to him being nice AND strong as you'd want a king that has strength as well.




BTW, this isn't the V thread.

 

[Jammin]

This thread is for discussing all things V related.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 23, 2019, Original Post Date: Sep 23, 2019 ---

Moved this conversation here as it didn't belong in that thread.

Do please be polite, however. Debate as much as you like but personal insults are not permitted.

BTW, this isn't the V thread.

And I appreciate you trying to get things back on topic Jubei.

 

[cash2088]

Yeah, God forbid I think one of the strongest characters in the history of the tower (even if he was the weakest of the irregular 13 lol) - a person that fended off an immortal Zahard, a person that is the MC's father (in manga that's pretty much a guarantee of some significant level of strength), an irregular with the strongest tension in the history of the tower is, um STRONG. What an idiot fan-boy, right?



Nope. In Arlen's journal it was said there was fighting in the group but eventually they all allied with Zahard against V and Arlen. So, he was hopelessly outnumbered AND supposedly still mortal while his preggo wife more than likely wasn't as much of a battle ally as, say, Arie Hon or Eduan or Ha Yurin etc.



I actually think there's a possibility that he might not have really died - that that's a cover-up or he faked it or something to that effect. But that's a separate discussion from V being able to hold off a disproportionate amount of force - with or without the mortality handicap.



I can see him being stronger - if that was revealed by the author - or what the story suggested. Until then we are both just speculating so IMO I think the story hints that he had the strength to more than hold his own. In the end Zahard couldn't end V - he had to 'end himself'.



It's almost as if I hadn't addressed that - only I had. Sure, it was a comment based on personality but the likelihood someone would look UP to a weaker individual is pretty small (especially in a tower where everyone respects strength - survival of the fittest style of climbing up the tower). Not that it's impossible, but Occam's Razor pretty much points to him being nice AND strong as you'd want a king that has strength as well.




BTW, this isn't the V thread.

It is now Jubei!!!!

I sort of see V as Jubei from Ninja Scroll was he as strong as Genma? No, not exactly but he could go toe to toe with all the devils of Kimon (with help) and was sick...

V may not have been THE strongest but he was definitely formidable, even to Zahard.

 

[Jammin]

To be honest, I don't see V that way. He had to be a big deal considering he was on par with the other original 12 warriors but like them I suspect he wasn't really at Zahards level.

I also suspect we're going to find out some less than flattering things about the guy. Gustang's comments about him being "the worst person he ever met" is pretty damning statement from someone who also seems to be no fan of Zahard's and clearly was fond of Arlen. Not sure what soured there exactly but considering how twisted and evil FUG generally has become it makes you wonder if he was the root of that somehow.

Like I sort of question if Zahard's real motivation in killing Baam was jealousy of V. That seemed pretty far out of character for the version of him we met on the hidden floor.

I think it's possible that V was trying to weaponize his offspring somehow in a desperate attempt to overcome Zahard, which he couldn't do on his own, and didn't tell Arlen about it. Possibly planning to turn his and Arlen's child into the first "slayer" or something like that. If Zahard found out about that he would kill the child right? And the whole thing would be V's fault. Hence him killing himself and Gustang's general contempt for him.

It's just a theory but that's what I think.

 

[Wha]

To be honest, I don't see V that way. He had to be a big deal considering he was on par with the other original 12 warriors but like them I suspect he wasn't really at Zahards level.

Hard to say at this point, since we lack enough information about V (and Zahard). I think that he was somewhere around his level because of how Data Edhuan did portray him, as some sort of counterpart to Zahard.

I also suspect we're going to find out some less than flattering things about the guy. Gustang's comments about him being "the worst person he ever met" is pretty damning statement from someone who also seems to be no fan of Zahard's and clearly was fond of Arlen. Not sure what soured there exactly but considering how twisted and evil FUG generally has become it makes you wonder if he was the root of that somehow.

Like I sort of question if Zahard's real motivation in killing Baam was jealousy of V. That seemed pretty far out of character for the version of him we met on the hidden floor.

I think it's possible that V was trying to weaponize his offspring somehow in a desperate attempt to overcome Zahard, which he couldn't do on his own, and didn't tell Arlen about it. Possibly planning to turn his and Arlen's child into the first "slayer" or something like that. If Zahard found out about that he would kill the child right? And the whole thing would be V's fault. Hence him killing himself and Gustang's general contempt for him.

What i find interesting is that V is portrayed in two completely different ways in a short periode of time. Gustang said that Bam's father was the worst person ever, shortly after Data Edhuan says the nicest stuff about V. Like he always cared about everyone around him and stuff. So there is definitly something going on. Although i interpret it differently.

Since Luslec is the current head of FUG and was a warlord of V, there is most likely a connection between FUG and V / Arlene. But we don't know who created FUG. Was it Luslec / other guys who witnessed the war, or was it Arlene / V? What is FUG's purpose, why was it created? Just for revenge and killing Zahard and the heads? Help fulfilling the prophecy of Arlene? ....

V wanted to continue cimbling, Zahard wanted to be King. Why couldn't they have both? Zahard stays King and V & Arlene (and whoever wants to) climbs up. Unless that's not possible, for some unknown reason. Which would mean that Zahard can't allow anyone to continue the climb. But why should Bam be a threat to him?
Don't forget that at this point, Bam is born inside the tower, he is not an Irregular. Although i doubt that V could turn Bam into any kind of weapon strong enough to kill Zahard, as a tower resident, no matter how powerful Bam might get, he is bound by Zahards contract, he can't kill him. So the reason for Zahard killing Bam - and V killing himself - should be a different one.

 

[Demonspeed]

I am still convinced that V wasn't a good guy. He killed himself and left his wife alone, that's just awful. He must have been good at first and was a foil to Zahard but he too changed later. I also definitely don't believe that he was supposed to have a greater destiny than Zahard.