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NOW..WHAT THE HELL happened in here?... it looks like at some point she was close to die.. in Mariejois....
could it be cause she was near 70 and it was the moment Imu's rejuvenate her?.... that wont make sense cause
eternal youth stop your age at where it is..like Gorosei's....

Yeah, i thought this wasn't included in Brook's flashback... Hope Oda starts a new flashback for Gunko next chapter, with a week off before drawing it, ofcourse.

I assume the content of the chest is the Nefertari's family's weapon. Something that must be known by Imu, something that enrages him, he needs to get triggered, i'm tired of seeing him launched to the tree every single chapter, he needs to counterattack.

After this chapter and the following one, can't imagine what Usopp could achieve without being a coward. He needs a flashback about the Boin Archipielago, hope he uses Lily's weapon... another thing that i would like to happen for that weapon is that it's strong enough to carve the Poneglyphs, since Lily was the one that helped to distribute them across the globe, why is she the one that lend her tool to the Kozuki to create them?
 

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Yup, Sommers is finished. Zoro isn't the kind of guy who let clear threat go just because he's running away without any will to fight. Also yeah, that IS Shuri. She just can't trust herself even though Imu is too busy to control her. But hmm, we already seen her crying probably seeing her fathers death but that thing about "her" saying "I want to live" is new. I'm not sure if that's Shuri who was saying that. There are theories that Gunko is actually someone else that "use" Shuris body. So mayby currently when Imu is busy and can't supress Shuris consciousness memories of both Shuri and Gunko mix together or something. Btw, about Sanji. I could miss something but when he told Killingham that he's cook? Like, how does he know that? I wasn't expecting that Killingham will start casual chat about cooking right now. Sanji clearly let him feel too comfy in this situation. I'm also bit confused about why Killingham is soo "chummy" with Sanji. I mean sure, he insults Sanji from time to time but he mostly use his name while talking to him which is unusual for Holy Knights and CDs in general, including Gorosei. Also yeah, judging from those flashbacks to WCI Sanji dosen't see much worth in his own life. His mother protected him from full transformation but it still feels like fact that his brothers and sister are programmed to listen to kings orders and sacrefice themselfs for good of the kingdom sits somewhere deep in Sanjis mind. That's why he keeps having those thoughts like "if I sacrefice myself things should be fine" or "if it's for sake of others I can become a monster". It's good that Sanji is soo caring and kind but he should also think about his own safety because he won't protect anyone while being dead.
 

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lol.. looks like the plot is going to develop into Imu will be forced to retreat because he brought too weak subordinates. Of course One Piece is never predictable.
How could Imu be defeated now due to the Elbaf mural tho
 

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We're probably getting Hell Memories: the upgraded version next chapter. But the most interesting thing right now is that letter from Lilly, so we probably won't find out to much about it until after Imu is sent packing, or maybe there is something there regarding Imu, since Biblo said it is important to read it now.
 

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We're probably getting Hell Memories: the upgraded version next chapter. But the most interesting thing right now is that letter from Lilly, so we probably won't find out to much about it until after Imu is sent packing, or maybe there is something there regarding Imu, since Biblo said it is important to read it now.
Must be quite an interesting letter.

Curious to know how Sanji's is goin to coat himself in supreme Haki...

I guess He is goin to turn black or his legs, plus lightning coming out of them ?... No idea...

Still.. no answer about if Killingham does have a steel heart as Sommer's..
 

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I'm sorry but how would that help her? Gaban live in Elbaf ever since Roger Pirats got disbanded (probably) but he got old at exactly same pace as any other human. But I agree that it's weird that Lily decided to stay in Elbaf. Since Imu said that Elbaf was once defeated by him through taking hostage just like now I'm actually very surprised that Elbaf ISN'T under Imus influence like the rest of the world. Like, what happened? How come Imu is trying to take over just NOW instead of having control over Elbaf all this time? And why Elbaf despit being apparently defeated by Imu in the past still was safe enough for Lily to hide there? I have soo many questions.
The weird thing seems to be perception of time there, not the actual amount of time that passes.
 

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The weird thing seems to be perception of time there, not the actual amount of time that passes.
Well yeah, anyone would feel like less time passed than it really did if they would live among huge people that age very slow compared to them. I'm sure time in Elbaf pass the same way it pass everywhere else, though it may be in diffrent time zone but for human time must seem to go really slow. You know, because from perspective of human who is surrounded by beings that berely age nothing really change. Well, exept for giant children but they also grow up really slowly.
 

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Is it a Letter from Lili? Because I thought it was a weapon.

Sommers running for his life is fitting but I want him ddddeeeaaaddd!!!!!

Also it looks like Imu forced Shuri to join, her desire to live seems to align with what Imu said about corruption, submission etc possibly another hint his Devil Fruit is a dark counterpart to Luffy's.
 
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Well yeah, anyone would feel like less time passed than it really did if they would live among huge people that age very slow compared to them. I'm sure time in Elbaf pass the same way it pass everywhere else, though it may be in diffrent time zone but for human time must seem to go really slow. You know, because from perspective of human who is surrounded by beings that berely age nothing really change. Well, exept for giant children but they also grow up really slowly.
Remember that note at the start of the arc from nolan? That's what i am talking about.
 

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Remember that note at the start of the arc from nolan? That's what i am talking about.
I remember, I don't know what he exactly meant but I'm just assuming it was about fact that while staying in Elbaf too long perception of time gets twisted for any human visitor. Hence staying there too long isn't recommended.
 

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I remember, I don't know what he exactly meant but I'm just assuming it was about fact that while staying in Elbaf too long perception of time gets twisted for any human visitor. Hence staying there too long isn't recommended.
Remember that note at the start of the arc from nolan? That's what i am talking about.

Arnote is famous for giving Little Garden its name.[1] Though implied to be a true tale due to its inclusion in Brag Men, it is considered by the rest of the world to be a mere fantasy.[3] Arnote also visited Elbaph and wrote a description of its grandeur, though he warned people not to overstay their welcome for as of yet unknown reasons.[4]
 

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Sanji's past is such a sad thing to see. From his youth, he was utterly rejected, seen as the shame of the Vinsmoke family.
His mother died supposedly in his mind because of him and his father held him responsible too - something he only learnt from Reiju.
When he decided to escape from the cell his father put him in, and secretly got snuck out by Reiju, Judge spotted him and actually said by running away, he's actually doing him a favour - imagine thinking that your father would object to your escaping which would mean he at the very least, acknowledged and valued you to some extent to at least want to keep him ... Judge told him to not exist - that's an extremely sad thing for a young boy to have as a childhood memory and carry it into adulthood.

After reading a bit of it in the WCI arc, I always assumed that because it was a flashback, this was Sanji himself giving us his narrative of his past. I guess not all flashbacks we see are the character remembering their past per se, pretty contextual I guess. It's not like he was talking about it which would have suggested this is him remembering explicitly, there's something going on here which this panel seems to imply and suggest to me - at least, how I am interpreting it now.



Sanji is fighting Judge, and he says "You had a very tough time of it..." - who is he speaking to, Judge? He is actually referring to himself in the 2nd person. He sees "little Sanji" as not himself, but someone else. Sanji has dissociated from his own past, he has repressed his own memories - he doesn't view little Sanji as himself, just as some poor kid.
Him growing up as someone who utterly hates his biological father, what they stand for, and himself as a result of all this - he has come to believe that his death is actually a solution to problems - if he dies, he never has to deal with his repressed memories and he also assumes that his death/sacrifice will solve solutions as this latest chapter shows in various other panels.

He tried to sacrifice himself against Kuma, against Judge/Big Mom to protect the SHs... he does this out of being a noble person on the surface, but also because he wants to completely erase himself (this is what he really wants), he doesn't want to deal with his past - he is actually a suicidal person, it's the first thing he resorts to at every given opportunity. Even in Wano, he tells Zoro that if he's not himself, to kill him - again, he is sacrificing himself to defeat Queen but with the chance that he will have to then be killed by Zoro after.

One of Sanji's most powerful attacks is hells memories, something I found quite interesting with WCI was that there is a theme of memories in the WCI arc. Lots of mention and reference to it. For example, Pudding's ability to alter people's memories, this was quite aplt someone paired with Sanji in that respect. I guess this all seem to create the image that as is the case here, Sanji's not just confronting his hatred for himself and his family, it's actually acceptance of his own past, his trauma and being able to get past it. Rather than resort to sacrificing himself when he can, it's to actually continue fighting and going forward.

Also interesting that Killingham also uses a polearm like Judge. And he is saying things similar to Judge, someone who is all about royalty and feels superior to everyone. I think not only has Sanji repressed his own memories, I also think it's quite possible in his mind, he has also repressed the idea that Judge is his father to some extent, can't say for sure, but it's really crazy that in a story that seems so goofy, Oda has really seemingly fleshed a character like Sanji with so much depth.
 

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Sanji's past is such a sad thing to see. From his youth, he was utterly rejected, seen as the shame of the Vinsmoke family.
His mother died supposedly in his mind because of him and his father held him responsible too - something he only learnt from Reiju.
When he decided to escape from the cell his father put him in, and secretly got snuck out by Reiju, Judge spotted him and actually said by running away, he's actually doing him a favour - imagine thinking that your father would object to your escaping which would mean he at the very least, acknowledged and valued you to some extent to at least want to keep him ... Judge told him to not exist - that's an extremely sad thing for a young boy to have as a childhood memory and carry it into adulthood.

After reading a bit of it in the WCI arc, I always assumed that because it was a flashback, this was Sanji himself giving us his narrative of his past. I guess not all flashbacks we see are the character remembering their past per se, pretty contextual I guess. It's not like he was talking about it which would have suggested this is him remembering explicitly, there's something going on here which this panel seems to imply and suggest to me - at least, how I am interpreting it now.



Sanji is fighting Judge, and he says "You had a very tough time of it..." - who is he speaking to, Judge? He is actually referring to himself in the 2nd person. He sees "little Sanji" as not himself, but someone else. Sanji has dissociated from his own past, he has repressed his own memories - he doesn't view little Sanji as himself, just as some poor kid.
Him growing up as someone who utterly hates his biological father, what they stand for, and himself as a result of all this - he has come to believe that his death is actually a solution to problems - if he dies, he never has to deal with his repressed memories and he also assumes that his death/sacrifice will solve solutions as this latest chapter shows in various other panels.

He tried to sacrifice himself against Kuma, against Judge/Big Mom to protect the SHs... he does this out of being a noble person on the surface, but also because he wants to completely erase himself (this is what he really wants), he doesn't want to deal with his past - he is actually a suicidal person, it's the first thing he resorts to at every given opportunity. Even in Wano, he tells Zoro that if he's not himself, to kill him - again, he is sacrificing himself to defeat Queen but with the chance that he will have to then be killed by Zoro after.

One of Sanji's most powerful attacks is hells memories, something I found quite interesting with WCI was that there is a theme of memories in the WCI arc. Lots of mention and reference to it. For example, Pudding's ability to alter people's memories, this was quite aplt someone paired with Sanji in that respect. I guess this all seem to create the image that as is the case here, Sanji's not just confronting his hatred for himself and his family, it's actually acceptance of his own past, his trauma and being able to get past it. Rather than resort to sacrificing himself when he can, it's to actually continue fighting and going forward.

Also interesting that Killingham also uses a polearm like Judge. And he is saying things similar to Judge, someone who is all about royalty and feels superior to everyone. I think not only has Sanji repressed his own memories, I also think it's quite possible in his mind, he has also repressed the idea that Judge is his father to some extent, can't say for sure, but it's really crazy that in a story that seems so goofy, Oda has really seemingly fleshed a character like Sanji with so much depth.
Besides Luffy, sanji is the most fleshed out character in one piece. I think from a character development standpoint WCI was underrated good. I’ve always loved sanji as a character but now I enjoy him even more. Most normal character we have in one piece that czn relate in the real world.
 

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Besides Luffy, sanji is the most fleshed out character in one piece. I think from a character development standpoint WCI was underrated good. I’ve always loved sanji as a character but now I enjoy him even more. Most normal character we have in one piece that czn relate in the real world.
I didn't like Sanji before, but I do like him, he's a pretty cool character. If looking beyond the gag, he's not bad. And the gag is probably related to something traumatic. His love for women is not purely sexual, I think a part of it is in his life, it was only women who looked out for him which is probably why he's likely fine with getting defeated by women too if I had to guess.
His mother took a pill to make sure he retained his humanity and died in the process, Reiju almost sacrificed Germa for him, and she is also the one out of all his siblings who actually broke the rules to let him escape.
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Is it a Letter from Lili? Because I thought it was a weapon.
Can't see it being a weapon, I think it is a letter.
We already have weapons - WG have Uranus, SHs technically have Pluton and Poseidon as Shirahoshi.

Lilly was the one who resulted in the Poneglyphs being scattered all over the world, she is arguably the person Imu hates more than Joyboy. Without Lilly, Poneglyphs would not have been a problem and therefore, One Piece couldn't have been an issue..
IIRC, he thought Lilly made a mistake, he didn't know she was a D. until Cobra said so. Could be he didn't know Elbaph was of the D. until he learnt Lilly is a D. And assuming he knew she also lived in Elbaph, it would make sense he now understands Elbaph is of the D.

Elbaph also doesn't seem to know much about its history. A lot of its beliefs are shrouded as myths like who Nika is.
Galley La were also not just shipwrights, they had giants who were involved with the building of Noah and Pluton.
Perhaps, Lilly is giving us some information on Noah, and maybe how to use Pluton in Wano. Giants definitely played a major role in the Void Century, so will be interesting to see what Lilly has to say.
Should be some interesting Lore.
 

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I didn't like Sanji before, but I do like him, he's a pretty cool character. If looking beyond the gag, he's not bad. And the gag is probably related to something traumatic. His love for women is not purely sexual, I think a part of it is in his life, it was only women who looked out for him which is probably why he's likely fine with getting defeated by women too if I had to guess.
His mother took a pill to make sure he retained his humanity and died in the process, Reiju almost sacrificed Germa for him, and she is also the one out of all his siblings who actually broke the rules to let him escape.
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Can't see it being a weapon, I think it is a letter.
We already have weapons - WG have Uranus, SHs technically have Pluton and Poseidon as Shirahoshi.

Lilly was the one who resulted in the Poneglyphs being scattered all over the world, she is arguably the person Imu hates more than Joyboy. Without Lilly, Poneglyphs would not have been a problem and therefore, One Piece couldn't have been an issue..
IIRC, he thought Lilly made a mistake, he didn't know she was a D. until Cobra said so. Could be he didn't know Elbaph was of the D. until he learnt Lilly is a D. And assuming he knew she also lived in Elbaph, it would make sense he now understands Elbaph is of the D.

Elbaph also doesn't seem to know much about its history. A lot of its beliefs are shrouded as myths like who Nika is.
Galley La were also not just shipwrights, they had giants who were involved with the building of Noah and Pluton.
Perhaps, Lilly is giving us some information on Noah, and maybe how to use Pluton in Wano. Giants definitely played a major role in the Void Century, so will be interesting to see what Lilly has to say.
Should be some interesting Lore.
Sanji was friggen amazing in the first half. He was always the MVP, like Brooke in the second half. But I get it. Women in his life, showed loved and appreciation and they always sacrificed themselves for him, I think that’s where he gets his sacrifice from on top of not feeling worthy.
 

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I predict #1196 will be "THE SANJI CHAPTER" in terms of personal grow, the best chapter related to him So Far ...

i mean for Sanji fans, it is one you definitly can't miss..
 
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