One Piece Discussion & Long Time Prediction Thread

[BlackSword]

After Mihawk as trained zoro for 2 years do you think Mihawk will still be as strong as he was before he trained Zoro? Since if he is Shiryuu could be getting stronger past the two years or Vista training to become the best because of how he wasnt strong enough to save Ace?

There are seem to be a lot of swordsman in the series that haven't quite reached 'the top'. But in reality Shiryuu and Vista are 2 most likely replacements for Mihawk, however I wouldn't put it past Oda to add someone completely new. We have not met all the 'strongest' people in the world. Their could very well be other marines who didn't make it to Marine HQ for the war.
I'm pretty sure he will stay at roughly the same level of power throughout Zoro's training. If Zoro was on Par with Mihawk at the begining you could expect Mihawk to grow expodentially but seeing as we predict Zoro will almost be able to touch Mihawk by the time he has to return to his crew I don't see Mihawk improving. However people like Shiryuu who love to fight I expect him to grow a lot. In Shiryuu's case enough to possibly defeat Mihawk. This is from what we know of Shiryuu, his first time to the 'New World' his strength is going to rocket up from all the new types of opponents he will face. And he loves to kill people for fun so I could see him attacking Mihawk.

 

[BENSKI]

I would also like to think that the all the legendary swords out have been found and have owners just waiting in the new world. Either way swordsmans in one piece will not be overlooked.

 

[SharpKnives]

@BurnSchulz. That theory made me think of Killer bee from naruto. The guy uses 8 swords to fight and he owns with it.

But that makes me think. Luffy's upgrades are potentially endless (excluding haki cause their fighting styles wont be effected). Luffy can add more gears and the fact that he can possibly get a weapon to use which would grant him two ways of fighting. But then there is zoro and with the exclusion of haki, what real upgrades is he going to get that would allow us to see something new. Getting different swords still aint going to change the way he fights. Mihawk training him is indeed going to make him stronger, faster, but subsequently what we would see is him fighting the same only that we know this time he is stronger and faster. Thats what i dislike about Zoros fighting, that from what we have seen, at the level he has grown to in swords fighting, he pretty much fights exactly the same as someone below him......except we know that he is stronger. The zoro vs kaku fight is a good example. In that whole fight, the most versatile was kaku and his sword fighting was much more impressive than Zoros (because of his devil fruit). Zoro just fought exactly the same as he always does then did the one second Asura. The way i see Zoro's sword swordsmanship progressing is basically stronger ones of those one second techniques he does whilst the rest of his fighting would remain boring (on his part). I hope Oda makes Zoro's swordsmanship more versatile like kaku's. Even if it means giving him a devil fruit, and that is not me inviting a discussion about him getting a devil fruit or not cause it remains a fact that it's possible.

And im aware zoros techniques aint literally one second. I only tried to express the way his sword fighting is basic when fighting offensively and is not really effective against his opponents until he does one of his techniques which actually is like one second if you dont count the build up. It would be cool if in the future Zoro's sword fighting would allow him to have fights like luffys where he is actually doing major damage to his opponents in the course of the whole fight rather than having a technique that just finishes everything.

And also, on the discussion about who is most likely to become fleet admiral. Its simple, aoikiji is more suitable but akainu is most likely. The discussion came up in this thread and
this is my explanation.

This is basically why I see Sanji as stronger. Basically thats his weakness instead of weakening his opponent he just ends up getting weaker himself. Training with Mihawk will definitely help him become more flawless. Adding a little tact to his fights will make his fights longer and perhaps allow him to become less injured and do more. Honestly I would like to see Zoro beat his opponents with relative ease like Sanji.

 

[vongola_x]

Training with Mihawk will definitely help him become more flawless. Adding a little tact to his fights will make his fights longer and perhaps allow him to become less injured and do more. Honestly I would like to see Zoro beat his opponents with relative ease like Sanji.

Deeper tact would be great for Zoro to have, but considering how dense he is at times, I'm not completely sure it would fit his style. While Luffy and Sanji have shown themselves to be much more perceptive in terms of identifying and developing combat tactics, Zoro is a bruiser through and through. What I see him learning from Mihawk goes beyond a more polished sword technique... I see him learning how to effectively use Haki to bolster his combat style. The same applies for Sanji, as I anticipate that some of the Okama Kenpo masters will apply the principles of Haki into their techniques and fighting styles.

 

[BlackSword]

Deeper tact would be great for Zoro to have, but considering how dense he is at times, I'm not completely sure it would fit his style. While Luffy and Sanji have shown themselves to be much more perceptive in terms of identifying and developing combat tactics, Zoro is a bruiser through and through. What I see him learning from Mihawk goes beyond a more polished sword technique... I see him learning how to effectively use Haki to bolster his combat style. The same applies for Sanji, as I anticipate that some of the Okama Kenpo masters will apply the principles of Haki into their techniques and fighting styles.

Sanji just magically comes up with techniques. Zoro trains and trains and trains to get stronger. Everyone says Zoro doesn't learn/come up with new things but he has the largest variety of attacks of every character in OP with the exception of Luffy. Not to mention that Zoro's entire sword style was invented by Zoro. His last new ability. 'Asura' that he used in the Enies Lobby arc was awesome... Sanji has good tactical sense, like closing the gate of justice so they could escape or sneaking onto the train after robin. But all in all Sanji is a foundation-less character. Saying that Sanji is stronger than Zoro is just offensive.

 

[Renaan]

I really hope Mihawk maintains the title of greatest swordsman right upto the very end, Zoro's whole point is to defeat that man. Being better than him mid point in the story is silly in my opinion. I'd rather them part ways (somewhat curtiousnly) and Mihawk having a mind bubble somewhat of 'he really coiuld surpass me... time will tell'

Zoro needs to reach that potention by defeating people. Actually on a long term long shot out there prediction... Zoro and Mihawk are abouts to fight and then... they don't

There first encounter Mihawk says that Zoro should have been able to feel the difference in level without even drawing his sword. Yes it would suck massive donkey balls, but I've seen worse trolls. Mihawk then says 'you really did surpass me' and walks away.

 

[BlackSword]

I really hope Mihawk maintains the title of greatest swordsman right upto the very end, Zoro's whole point is to defeat that man. Being better than him mid point in the story is silly in my opinion. I'd rather them part ways (somewhat curtiousnly) and Mihawk having a mind bubble somewhat of 'he really coiuld surpass me... time will tell'

Zoro needs to reach that potention by defeating people. Actually on a long term long shot out there prediction... Zoro and Mihawk are abouts to fight and then... they don't

There first encounter Mihawk says that Zoro should have been able to feel the difference in level without even drawing his sword. Yes it would suck massive donkey balls, but I've seen worse trolls. Mihawk then says 'you really did surpass me' and walks away.

I don't think anyone has ever said Zoro will defeat Mihawk Lmao. I don't even think its a possibility... What we have said is that it goes against the SH nature to beat the shit out of people that have helped them even if its his goal. Thus Oda has to do something and his only real option is to have someone else beat Mihawk first. And whoever beats Mihawk will be Zoro's final opponent before becoming 'the greatest swordsman' which is his true goal. People seem to confuse beating Mihawk and becoming the worlds greatest swordsman =\ And tbh you really can't attain the level of 'strongest' without beating up the previous strongest. People will just assume your lying...

 

[Renaan]

I've lost out how many times Zorro specifically states that his goal is to defeat THAT man. he MUST defeat Mihawk in my opinion but I highly doubt it'll be a fight to the death, they'll end up respecting each other too much for that. The respect was shown at their first encounter where Mihawk could have truly destroyed Zorro had he wished. All characters have END game fight, this for me is Zorro's

 

[Saint Markus]

i actually like the fact that Oda is taking 4 weeks off to prepare the next story arc, especially with all the new changes that will follow. plus, us fans, will better appreciate the manga in the long run.

also, this is where Luffy will be changed forever and i imagine Oda is going to change him greatly as Kishi did with Naruto after he trained with Jiraiya or even when Goku returned from Kami's tower and came back as a teen to fight Piccolo-Daimo's reincarnation.

anyways, with Luffy training under Rayleigh, i think Rayleigh will not only train Luffy but also reveal some secrets that he learned being with Gol D. Roger. can't wait for One Piece to come back.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

anyways, with Luffy training under Rayleigh, i think Rayleigh will not only train Luffy but also reveal some secrets that he learned being with Gol D. Roger. can't wait for One Piece to come back.

That's impossible. Do you remember Luffy's reaction when Ussop asked Rayleigh about One Piece ?

 

[RobLPMG02]

That's impossible. Do you remember Luffy's reaction when Ussop asked Rayleigh about One Piece ?

Well...yes and no. While I don't see Rayleigh telling Luffy about those sorts of things...I could see him knowing how Roger was able to hear the "voice of all things" (it might be some form of haki...or maybe something about the "Will of D" or something like that) and somehow teaching that to Luffy, or explaining it, any # of things along those lines.

Do I think it WILL happen? No. However, it's still a possibility, however small.

That being said...it seems as if Oda's setting things up for a "perfect" showdown between Luffy's crew and Blackbeard's crew as the climax of the series, or something like that. I'm not entirely sure how the members would match up with each other, however...it just seems that way to me (although...who really knows, lol). If this is actually the case, then it might make some sort of sense to find out that Shiryuu has indeed defeated Mihawk...to give zoro a reason to actually fight him (other than he's the enemy, that is), given that his ultimate goal IS to become the world's greatest swordsman and not JUST to defeat Mihawk (although atm, that would be tantamount to becoming said swordsman).

Only time and the chapters will really tell, though...unless Oda decides to spoil everyone or something! :P lol

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

There is a reason why Robin finally did not learn what was the Will of D. and the Lost Century. It's because it's better for the Straw Hats to discover the truth by themselves. So you can be sure that Rayleigh won't tell Luffy about the Will of D. Besides we're supposed to learn what it is at the same time the Straw Hats do. And Luffy is not really interested in these kinds of things. He also does not want to learn them from others because he wants his journey to be an adventure.

 

[Bugzee]

Rayleigh may give hints and indications to Luffy about certain things...but it's highly unlikely that he would directly tell him how to get to Raftel, OP, etc.

I personally think Luffy himself will slowly but surely grasp a few important things during his haki training with Rayleigh that will aid him and his crew in the future; and I'm not talking about just the fighting capabilities of the crew here.

 

[Anti-panda]

Well judging by luffys reaction when ussop mentioned having raleigh tell him about raftel ... (I'll quit being a pirate) .. I don't think luffy would want to know about the will of D. .. or anything else for that matter .. the surprise of finding out means more to him ..
The journey .. not the destination is the important thing ^_^ in many things .. not just OP.

 

[scyter]

Will there be shounen jump on October 11 because on that day it's "holiday" in japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_and_Sports_Day

 

[iloveonepiece]

wonder how shiryuu would look outside his uniform. would he be kinda like ... bizarro superman?

 

[BlackSword]

Updated Ideas. New Ideas will be below the 'Edits' Line. And throughout some Ideas have been changed after hearing sound arguments as well as some have been altered according to my 'own' sound argument.
I did not cheat and change my ideas based on new information! I crossed out all the things that I predicted that have proven to be wrong. As well as added new ideas for the future.

That's all I can think of at the moment. Opinions, Ideas and Suggestions as always are appreciated. As things unfold and I'm proven right or wrong I'll cross out or highlight the sections that were correct. Thanks for taking the time to read my posts!

Spoiler: One Piece Predictions & Theories!!

The Straw Hats:
- The Monster Trio: will be just Below Admiral level. (I put them at this level because if this is the 'halfway point' I think it will be another 100 or so chapters before they take down an Admiral. But I'm pretty sure they are going to be going Head-to-head with Pacifista and the Vice-Admirals right off the bat.
Luffy: Will have the basics of all 3 types 'Haki'. His fighting style will be refined by being around Rayleigh. He will develop a new 'Gear' that combines both his DF and Haki. (Possibly named 'Over Gear'.) He will also be able to use Rokushiki without using his 'Gears.'

Zoro: Zoro will develop CoA haki simply to protect his swords from breaking if nothing else. Furthermore after the Time skip. I predict he will be able to just touch Hawkeye. We will learn more about Zoro's 'killing intent'. If it is the same thing as haki or not. Killing intent in most shows I've seen it used in its the same thing as COQ Haki.

Sanji: His fighting ability will greatly improve fighting all the Newkama's but he will retain his own style. He will develop COO while trying to avoid all the 'transgendered' Newkama's that will be trying to put a dress on him. Whether or not he knows it is haki is debatable. He will also master the Newkama cooking style and develop food to support their body building.
Sanji the reason I say he will learn COO is because I'm pretty sure the Zoro/Sanji will learn both COO & COA. I'm simply predicting that Sanji will Learn COO first.
And trust me, if you had a bunch of Homo martial artist chasing you around you would develop a way to know when they are coming and avoid them. Just saying.

- The Weaker SHs:
Usopp: Will develop haki similar to the Kuja arrows. (This will probably happen in the first Major Arc of the New World.) I'm also predicting a vast increase and speed along with the ability to target/shoot multiple targets simultaneously. I also predict that he will start setting up 'traps' and planning his battles out strategically. Bombs as well as all his usually repertoire.

Nami: Will improve her Clima Tact with the Weather Balls. The technology which her Clima Tact was built around originally came from they Sky Islands so I'm fairly sure she will find someone to help her upgrade it. Also she will know about almost all the weathers of the 'New World'. With her upgraded Clima Tact she will be something like a DF user without the DF.

Franky: Will get Sea Stone implants. They will be retractable. He will also develop a shielding system for the Thousand Sunny. (Someone Suggested he will build cyberpets w/ differnt functions.) I believe that is very likely seeing as all the research about Cyber animals was in Vegapunks Lab. Franky will most likely also find away to increase his speed, possibly thrusters/boosters. (Ironman Style.) :wink

Chopper: As everyone predicts Chopper will master 'Monster Point'. He will also invent/discover repaid healing medicines to put the SH back in fighting condition faster. I think it will be incomplete though at first and he will probably have to work together with other members of the crew to complete. (Sanji seems like a likely co-conspirator.)

Robin: Robins DF power seems to be at its limit so I belief she will learn 'Haki' which sort I'm unsure really. Most likely COO. She has always been the 'brains' type. As for other changes to Robin its really hard to predict what she will pick up w/ the revolutionaries.

Brook: Brook will develop musical attacks that Do Damage/Control Opponents and combine them with his 'Fencing' sword and for some reason I see him creating an 'Illusion' Sword Fighting Style.

- New SH Crew Member: A lot of people think Hancock, Jimbei or Perona will join SH. I don't think so for a few reasons.

Hancock: If she joins Amazon Island will no longer be under protect the WG would probably attack it without that protection.
Secondly although Hancock would follow Luffy, don't see the rest of the Kuja Crew being okay with losing her. Not to mention she is in the same boat as Vivi.

Jimbei: The WG & Humans in general treat Fishmen like shit. Jimbei joining a crew at world with the WG would probably provoke them into action against Fishmen all over the world. And although he is an Enemy of the government he is overall not that important a target.
All in all the both have to much they need to protect.

Perona: I would definitely rather see Boa join than her and with Moria's disappearing act I would say she will most likely go back to her Captain. In the Thrillerbark Arc she seemed to have great knowledge of 'Bounties' as in who people are and what their bounty is and what their reputation is. That's pretty much what Robin does... Her other skill is limited-medical knowledge. That's Choppers job. I just don't see the crew needing her.

(New!)Positions to be filled:
Helmsman: TBD
Chronicler: TBD
Cabin Boy/Girl: TBD

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-Blackbeard: will be a close if not already a Yonkou. (New!)
People are right. Blackbeard isn't the Yonkou type. He is after One Piece not to mention he doesn't seem to care for people outside of his crew. I Really can't see him stopping to collect territory and I definitely don't see him coming back to defend it. He will probably spend these 2 years mastering his new DF abilities. Hopefully he will have acquired a ship. I'm pretty sure we are also going to learn how he knows so much about the government (for example why Jewelery Bonney was so important to them and what he was trying to trade her for.)

-Supernovas: XDrake/Kid/Basil/Law/ & Killer will be the only surviving Original Supernovas. I Suspect their will be new supernovas as well. There will definitely be new supernovas. I think the SH are going to run into some 'cocky' supernovas on SA who try to bother them but get stomped. But someone pointed out something that should have been obvious to me. Oda wouldn't have introduced all the Supernovas if he was just going to kill most of them off. However I have a feeling that the Supernovas growth will not be as great as the SH. Except for maybe Kid & Law.

-Luffy's Debt to Law: The only way I see Luffy paying Law back is to save him from something. I also think their will be a rivalry between Law/SH similar to the Gold Roger/Whitebeard rivalry.

-Admirals: Aokiji New Fleet Admiral. First Admiral to fall will be Akainu. New admiral will be a 'Sword Master'. All the current Vice-Admirals = Sword Users if you look at the WB vs WG Arc.

-Thousand Sunny: will be guarded by Pacifistas. Flying Fishboys and Shakky will be in trouble. Wrong...

-Pacifista: XDrake + SH take out Pacifista program. The Pacifista program seems a lot like the OP version of Sentinel(X-Men.) and I definitely see them being used to commit horrible acts throughout the world. These bad bots will definitely be big factors in the 'New World.'

-Mihawk: gets targeted by Blackbeard Pirates Shiliew(Shiryu) which will give Zoro a new person to beat.

- Moria: starts moving against the world government. Possibly joining the RA or another pirate crew. The other idea I've thought of is that he discovered a different set of abilities hidden within his DF that gave him a new level of power possibly giving him the ability to stand on his own. PS: The way he escaped from Doflamingo I belief was traveling through shadows. (Seeing as how they tried to kill him and all.)
Moria will most likely appear during SH vs Doflamingo hopefully more powerful than before.

-Doflamingo: vs SH. (The SH will run into Doflamingo doing some shaddy shit in the 'New World'. He will hurt someone Luffy befriends.)

- Three New Shichibukai: - Besides Buggy. One Supernova (Your guess is as good as mine.) & Marco. (Although people will protest saying that Marco will not work for the WG who killed his 'Father & Brother'. But I think for someone like Marco he will do whatever it takes to protect WBs family and his territories. And I don't think he will have the power to ascend to Yonkou level.

- Smoker: -> Vice-Admiral.

- Coby: -> Major or Captain. I really just don't see Coby on the same level as Smoker or ready for that responsibility on his own. Although I give him props for stepping in front of Akainu. I would have pissed myself.

- The Revolutionary Army: I predict that Luffy's goals and the TRA's Goals might class somewhere in the 'New World'. My thoughts are although Luffy's father doesn't wish him harm I believe that his TRA comes before all else and I believe his interest in Luffy/Plans for Luffy are not at all what Luffy would like. I'm actually quite uncomfortable w/ Nico Robin being alone w/ Dragon. Quite to the point, I don't trust him.

- Haki: Overall I predict that by the end of the first serious arc of the 'New World' almost every member of the SH will have 'Haki' in one form or another. I'm also quite sure that the Logia's have to be in their 'physical' bodies when using 'Haki' meaning they cant just solidify one arm and use 'Haki'.

- CP9: I foresee the 'Pacifista' being used by the elders against town or individual that helped SH in the past. Possibly Water 7. I'm thinking CP9 will choose then to make an 'appearance'. They also have a bone to pick with the 'World Government'. If Rob Lucci's personality has changed after being defeated by Luffy there is also the possibility of CP9 getting recruited by the RA. (Side characters though. I don't see CP9 as on par with SH.)

- Enel: This dude is a beast. Sure he did get beat by Luffy but he is the only one who wouldn't be effected by his 'Lightning.' This dude would cause some real bad-ass trouble if he came down from the moon. He has COO haki, he is is a Logia pretty much he is a beast. The only person I see beating him are possibly Smoker or Kizaru.

- Luffy's Mother: The fact that we know nothing about her and that she was never mentioned makes me thinks she is still alive. I have a feeling she is going to play a major role in future arcs. I believe she is going to also have 'The will of D'. She is going to be bad ass.

Enel: Is going to become a pirate.

DF Users:
Logias:
We will see the Water/Wind/Storm & Earth Logia's. (Dragon = Storm (Paramecia).)
Mist Mist Fruit (New)
A New Flame Logia has been born since Ace's death 2 years ago. (Oda specifically states that there can be more than one of the same DF just not at the same time.)
Zoan:
These will be seen.
Mythical Zoan Dragon/Griffin/Behemoth/Sphinx & Leviathan.
Model Zoan Tiger/Lion and a couple flying type Zoan users.
Paramecia:
Wall Wall Fruit. (New)
Storm Fruit (Dragon.) (New)
- Garp & Others: Will learn pieces of the 'true' history and be hunted by the Government.

- Ancient Race: There will be an entire arc invested in this. The SH will find and win the trust of an ancient race that has managed to stay 'secret' from the WG. These people will have key information into the 'lost history' and the true identity of the WG. These people who have managed to stay hidden for so long will probably be found by a branch of the marines. The SH will feel obligated to protect them. During this Arc the SH will have one of their 'major' power ups like Enies Lobby or Arabasta. I predict a face off with Akainu during this time. This arc will most likely happen just before the Revolutionary Army Arc.

- Hostages of the WG: I believe we will learn that Vegapunk/Jewelery Bonney and others are hostages of the WG. Forced to work/research and serve them. I believe the WG offers to recruit almost all 'talented' people they find. However 'asking' is only a nicety they preform. I believe we will find several people who were forced to make weapons/research & more that does harm to others.

- Secrets of the World Government: The current WG is the winning side of the war that took place during the 'Blank Age'. The Tenryubitto are the 'Loyal' or Descendants of the Original Commanders/Leaders. Ohara's obliteration wasn't for fear of them unleashing the weapon but fear that they would learn to much about the past. The fact that the WG didn't attempt to pump them for information indicates that their is something so devastating in the WGs past that it wasn't worth the risk even if they managed to find the ancient weapons. The WG was formed to find the hidden weapons. The Marines were formed to stop people from getting in their way. The reason that they protect 'so called' Justice is because if they didn't protect the people they would have to deal with rebellions/opposing world powers and so on and so forth. They gain the support of the people and in secret can do whatever they please. Not to mention under the banner of 'Justice' there is an unlimited supply of able bodied recruits. The toleration of the Tenryubitto as the creators of the world is simply a 'myth'. The 'Will of D' revolves around the 'original' person to discover the sins of the WG and the one who first uncovered all the 'Lost/Blank History'. I believe he was originally a member of the WG. Vegapunk has already created a 'new weapon' that the WG is keeping in reserve.


Edits: (New Ideas!)
- We will see a New Vice-Admiral. Someone who is cocky that they can end the Strawhat Threat once in for all. He will be newly promoted. Possibly a year or so in his new position.
- Fishman Island: They will find Fishman Island in disarray and Jimbei injured. Since the Fishman Island lost White Beards protection the Fishman have been at war with the outside world as well as at war with itself. The radicals who thought it was pathetic to hide behind a 'human' in the first place vs the more conservatives who think they should just try to avoid the worlds attention. Jimbei will have been deposed as the Sunny Pirates Captain... We will find a son or grandson of Fisher Tiger on Jimbei's side. The radicals/Sunny Pirates will see the Strawhats as the hated 'humans'... Not to mention the Arlong incident... Insert epic battle here...
- We will find an Admiral waiting for them in the 'New World'... Whether or not it is Akainu or someone else I cant say for sure. The SH will escape with Sunny's new upgrades! (Thanks to Franky.)

 

[elitefox]

nominating a super giant fishman for the SH crew

 

[kidopitz27]

nominating a super giant fishman for the SH crew

=Jimbie ^.^

a super giant fish-man would be good but bad for sunny go maybe if that super giant fish-man will swim beside sunny go

 

[Schabrak]

With Franky having gone massive, I see less and less chances of anyone with gigantism join the crew. Three big characters in a row [Franky, Brook, "..."] would look weird.

I'm rather interested in the body structure. I'm happy that it won't be a spindle-legged one with a gigantic upper body, as Franky seems to have taken that position now.