One Piece General SBS Discussion Thread

[goldb]

From vol 100 (credits: @ScotchAianB )

 

[kkck]

Isn't robin 40 already?

 

[goldb]

Isn't robin 40 already?

LOL what? she's 30.

That aside, guess her eyesight gets really bad at 40...

 

[Nie Li]

LOL what? she's 30.

That aside, guess her eyesight gets really bad at 40...

That's an interesting weakness for her.

She can sprout eyes wherever she wants to spy but she can't sprout glasses for them. lol

 

[goldb]

credits: @ScotchAianB

Kaido's kanabo in human form.

 

[chess4]

What if Momo can change back and forth betweern his 8 year old self back to his 28 year old self like shazaam. He would transform by shouting ODEN

 

[Demonspeed]

Robin looks young even at 60! In the good timeline at least.

 

[goldb]

There's more info about the upcoming SBS:

Black Maria uses some drugs to achieve the hybrid transformation that she has( similar to Chopper with rumble balls):

Otherwise, this would be the normal hybrid version of her devil fruit:

(credits: @ScotchAianB )

Question : Black Maria's ability is kinda like the SMILEs, no?

Oda : I know whatya mean! I know that the hybrid form shouldn't have two faces and her arms should be spider-like. However there is no clear cut rule for the zoan transformations, see Chopper. Just like he manipulated his transformations, it is possible for others as well! Black Maria also feels that becoming a full spider woman isn't beautiful at all, so she must have used some drugs to change her Hybrid form. - from reddit.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

GODA basically exained the u orthodox nature as itjust being BM's vanity?
Coudl any Zoan gain the ability to breath fire and generate illusionary mist from drugs?
Seems like an ill excuse, until it's further explored

 

[Nie Li]

GODA basically exained the u orthodox nature as itjust being BM's vanity?
Coudl any Zoan gain the ability to breath fire and generate illusionary mist from drugs?
Seems like an ill excuse, until it's further explored

He mentioned drugs, which is the same thing Chopper uses for his different set of transformations. Zoans can be tampered with through drugs, but they always revolve around the animal the zoan is based on.

 

[Fox666]

From vol 100 (credits: @ScotchAianB )

TIL

People in real life age, so they are living in their bad timelines

 

[HereNThere]

GODA basically exained the u orthodox nature as itjust being BM's vanity?
Coudl any Zoan gain the ability to breath fire and generate illusionary mist from drugs?
Seems like an ill excuse, until it's further explored

I wouldn't go that far. As we see with Chopper, their "customization" is limited between the binary of their original form and their Zoan form.

She could mod herself to focus on the 8 eyes. She could mod herself to be primarily web focused. She could mod herself to be Spider-Gwen. She can any number of combinations as long as it falls within her human and zoan capabilities.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

here's a megathread with all the sbs info
New sbs megathread from reddit

some extra vivre card info

Sengoku did not just take care of Corazon like a father, but he also did so for Drake after he fleed his father's crew.

Yamato's handcuff had Seastone in them.

Killer's punishers create shockwaves at the speed of sound, causing Kaido internal damage.

King was one of the pirates who was amazed by Kaido's strength and decided to join him simply because of how powerful he was.

 

[kkck]

Huh, it's almost a shame we didn't see BM's... say, standard hybrid form. Seems more useful than the one she actually used. And if she was going with alternate forms you'd think she could come up with more useful ones. I suppose with queen around it's not that weird that she got drugs to manipulate her form.

On another note, I am surprised by how low king's and marco's bounties are. With marco's more than king's considering he was someone the WG thought could stand up to BB. I figured king wouldn't be lower than 1400 million at least, if not 1500... With marco I expected at least 1500...

 

[xocolatl]

In the alternate timeline, even Dr Kureha looks younger than Robin...

Black Maria uses drugs like Chopper huh. Wonder if it's from Queen or she manufactured it by herself?

 

[Fox666]

On another note, I am surprised by how low king's and marco's bounties are. With marco's more than king's considering he was someone the WG thought could stand up to BB. I figured king wouldn't be lower than 1400 million at least, if not 1500... With marco I expected at least 1500...

Blackbeard got stronger during the timeskip. Someone like Ace could give him a tough battle back then.

So Marco definitely could stand up against him.

I would even say that Marco and the remaining Whitebeard Pirates have won if they fought in Marineford... but the Payback War took place 1 year after, and by that point the Blackbeard Pirates already improved enough.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Huh, it's almost a shame we didn't see BM's... say, standard hybrid form. Seems more useful than the one she actually used. And if she was going with alternate forms you'd think she could come up with more useful ones. I suppose with queen around it's not that weird that she got drugs to manipulate her form.

On another note, I am surprised by how low king's and marco's bounties are. With marco's more than king's considering he was someone the WG thought could stand up to BB. I figured king wouldn't be lower than 1400 million at least, if not 1500... With marco I expected at least 1500...

Those bounties aren't low.

They only look low because the Supernova got their bounties to the level they are in a short window of time.

A 100m bounty is not small, it's huge.

Squardo was a Pirate during Roger's era and is STILL a Pirate, he only has a 220m bounty or something. This was the person Whitebeard chose to commandeer his fleet in his stead...

All a bounty shows is not strength, but how much all the incidents, and criminal activity you've been involved in amount to.

Luffy having a 1.5 billion bounty doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger than Kid (which he is), it only means Luffy's criminal activity and incidents have exceeded what Kid's has been:

• 30m for East Blue saga where he defeated Krieg, Arlong and ultimately defied a Navy officer.
• 100m for the Shichibukai defeat - he took down a government official and brought shame to them by making the system look bad to the public.
• 300m for breaking into Enies Lobby, saving Robin, defeating CP9 and challenging the WG directly - humiliated their reputation again.
• 400m for punching a Shichibukai, breaking into Impel Down and bringing out various criminals, and then participating in the war of the best.
• 500m for taking down another Shichibukai close to the Reverie which led to their abolishment.
• 1500m for challenging an Emperor, defeating 2 commanders and causing a whole lot of trouble in her territory.

Most Pirates aren't moving like this. Most Pirates are trying to evade the attention of the Government.

Marco's being a Pirate since the age of maybe 15 at least, 30 years ago he was in Wano with Whitebeard, he's currently 45.

• 1374m bounty over a 30 year period - On average, his bounty went up 45m a year.
• Katakuri is 47, probably started his Piracy years at maybe 15 too - 1050m bounty meaning 32.8m a year on average.

If we look at the Supernova by the time they became Supernova. We know they were sailing when Ace was in Wano which was 4 years ago, and 2 years before Luffy became a Pirate meaning he was 15 at this point. Sueprnova had a 2 year start before Luffy.

1. Kid was sailing around the time of Ace, he has accumulated a 315m bounty in 3 years - averaging 156m a year.
2. Law was also sailing at the same time - averaging 66m a year.
3. Luffy had only become a Supernova within a year - averaging 300m a year.

Supernova average bounties are absurd when compared with the most powerful Pirates that aren't even captains. The Most powerful Pirates are averaging 30m+ a year whereas the Supernova are easily averaging close to that or exceedingly more.

Your average Pirate has probably been around for decades and has a 200m bounty meaning they'd be averaging a lot less. Squardo had a 210m bounty, was around Pirate 25 years ago in Roger's era meaning his average bounty increase per year... 8.4m increase yearly. And this is a veteran Pirate.
Essentially, Pirates that can average anything above 20m a year are pretty crazy and the SN are pulling crazier numbers.
Urouge has a 108m bounty, maybe he sailed 2 years before he got to Sabaody or maybe 3 years? That's still a 33m average per year which is 4x higher than Squardo's.

 

[kkck]

Those bounties aren't low.

They only look low because the Supernova got their bounties to the level they are in a short window of time.

A 100m bounty is not small, it's huge.

Squardo was a Pirate during Roger's era and is STILL a Pirate, he only has a 220m bounty or something. This was the person Whitebeard chose to commandeer his fleet in his stead...

All a bounty shows is not strength, but how much all the incidents, and criminal activity you've been involved in amount to.

Luffy having a 1.5 billion bounty doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger than Kid (which he is), it only means Luffy's criminal activity and incidents have exceeded what Kid's has been:

• 30m for East Blue saga where he defeated Krieg, Arlong and ultimately defied a Navy officer.
• 100m for the Shichibukai defeat - he took down a government official and brought shame to them by making the system look bad to the public.
• 300m for breaking into Enies Lobby, saving Robin, defeating CP9 and challenging the WG directly - humiliated their reputation again.
• 400m for punching a Shichibukai, breaking into Impel Down and bringing out various criminals, and then participating in the war of the best.
• 500m for taking down another Shichibukai close to the Reverie which led to their abolishment.
• 1500m for challenging an Emperor, defeating 2 commanders and causing a whole lot of trouble in her territory.

Most Pirates aren't moving like this. Most Pirates are trying to evade the attention of the Government.

Marco's being a Pirate since the age of maybe 15 at least, 30 years ago he was in Wano with Whitebeard, he's currently 45.

• 1374m bounty over a 30 year period - On average, his bounty went up 45m a year.
• Katakuri is 47, probably started his Piracy years at maybe 15 too - 1050m bounty meaning 32.8m a year on average.

If we look at the Supernova by the time they became Supernova. We know they were sailing when Ace was in Wano which was 4 years ago, and 2 years before Luffy became a Pirate meaning he was 15 at this point. Sueprnova had a 2 year start before Luffy.

1. Kid was sailing around the time of Ace, he has accumulated a 315m bounty in 3 years - averaging 156m a year.
2. Law was also sailing at the same time - averaging 66m a year.
3. Luffy had only become a Supernova within a year - averaging 300m a year.

Supernova average bounties are absurd when compared with the most powerful Pirates that aren't even captains. The Most powerful Pirates are averaging 30m+ a year whereas the Supernova are easily averaging close to that or exceedingly more.

Your average Pirate has probably been around for decades and has a 200m bounty meaning they'd be averaging a lot less. Squardo had a 210m bounty, was around Pirate 25 years ago in Roger's era meaning his average bounty increase per year... 8.4m increase yearly. And this is a veteran Pirate.
Essentially, Pirates that can average anything above 20m a year are pretty crazy and the SN are pulling crazier numbers.
Urouge has a 108m bounty, maybe he sailed 2 years before he got to Sabaody or maybe 3 years? That's still a 33m average per year which is 4x higher than Squardo's.

The supernova have nothing to do with how I view this. And I am definitely not making my comment exclusively based on strength. But marco definitely has a lot of piracy under his belt. Marco:

1.- Was one of the most notorious WB pirate members at the time of the war.
2.- Marco pretty much was WB's second in command during the war.
3.- Marco was regarded as someone that could stop BB after the war.
4.- Marco actually led the WB remnants in a war against BB after the great war.

Sure, marco's number is in fact objectively big within the context of the series. It's still pretty much within the top 10 of known bounties (the known people that have or probably have higher bounties than him are the 5 yonko, roger, luffy, probably xebec and dragon). But it's not unreasonable to have expected him to have a bounty higher than what he actually has. Heck, even BM has a modicum of respect for marco... Not even her actual biological children have that.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

But it's not unreasonable to have expected him to have a bounty higher than what he actually has. Heck, even BM has a modicum of respect for marco... Not even her actual biological children have that.

But you can't just attribute a bounty without knowing what exactly Marco's crimes and incidents have been.

You can't just say, he's respected, he's strong and then slap a 2 billion bounty.

Bounty is an incident by incident case.

If you don't do anything, you can't get a bounty.

So, you can't say a bounty of 1.3774 billion is low unless you know exactly what he's done for 30 years. Unless his incidents and involvement in any incidents or crimes were underrated and given really low bounties, then you have a case, otherwise, no.

Did he break into Impel Down and escape? 100m.

Did he defeat a Shichibukai and humiliate the WG? 80-200m bounty.

Did he break into Marineford and ring the Ox Bell? 30m.

Unless you know what he's done, it makes no sense to say his bounty is low. It sounds arbitrary unless you're basing bounty on a value you think reflects strength in which case, maybe he should be higher, but bounty is not a value to reflect strength, but crimes and incidents on a case by case basis.

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Heck, even BM has a modicum of respect for marco... Not even her actual biological children have that.

She respects her children to some extent, she made Katakuri her number 1 commander, so she definitely recognises his strength.

Marco respects Perospero with just a 700m bounty, and he's 50? 35 years of Piracy if he started at the age of 15, so Marco's bounty is pretty high, it's well above average.

Either way, respect doesn't mean you deserve any value of bounty, respect just means you're respected. What determines bounty are your crimes and incidents, not how much you're respected.

Even with Queen having a 1320m bounty, I still respect Katakuri a lot more and think he's probably stronger than Queen, yet Katakuri has a 1050m bounty. It has nothing to do with respect, it's what crimes/incidents did you partake in to get x value over this x period of time?

Squardo was more or less second in command to Whitebeard at Marineford. He wasn't available, Akainu was setting a trap by tricking him. In stead of Squard, Declavan brothers took the mantle of commander. So, if Whitebeard held Squard in such high esteem that he had an ally, not even one of the crew members commandeering, what should Squardo's bounty be? 500m? 1billion?

It's only 210m, and he's respected and was regarded as an distinguished.

Spoiler

We can't use anything to determine bounty other than crime and incident. Anything else is a non-factor.

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

Luffy having a 1.5 billion bounty doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger than Kid (which he is), it only means Luffy's criminal activity and incidents have exceeded what Kid's has been:

• 30m for East Blue saga where he defeated Krieg, Arlong and ultimately defied a Navy officer.
• 100m for the Shichibukai defeat - he took down a government official and brought shame to them by making the system look bad to the public.
• 300m for breaking into Enies Lobby, saving Robin, defeating CP9 and challenging the WG directly - humiliated their reputation again.
• 400m for punching a Shichibukai, breaking into Impel Down and bringing out various criminals, and then participating in the war of the best.
• 500m for taking down another Shichibukai close to the Reverie which led to their abolishment.
• 1500m for challenging an Emperor, defeating 2 commanders and causing a whole lot of trouble in her territory.

I know this is just a wishful thinking, but I hope they'll release a timeline of other pirates' bounty, too.