One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 1st Chapter

[JinxJen]

Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

To camil222: I don't think the one who killed people and destroyed other country like BB would be consider as a good guy. Because in Oda-sensei's mind, killing is bad. That's why he won't let Luffy kill anyone nor anyone being killed. I don't agree with you sayind that he's the same as Luffy. Well, all pirates obviously used to dream to be Pirate King. The point is their determination. All I can see is BB is a cunning guy. He used everything to get his purpose without any considering human's life. Just like WB already said "Can the fact of killing a nakama be forgiven?" As for he wanted to use Luffy for his ambition to get the WG's favor made me don't like him. If you are a good person, you should catch a bad person. I means in personality. I don't really like someone who boasts and shows off their power to other for his own. To me, BB is like that. Luffy did everything for his nakama and become famous. But BB is just try to catch a big fish and show off to the WG to get the protection (like you said) and take advantage of the situation to overthrow WB. I honesty cannot see this guy as a good one. As for what he did with Ace, well, I suppose it should happen like that if Ace was lost. So I have no comment. But as Ace's fan personally, I, of course, hate BB.
I also don't understand the reason why you would consider BB join Luffy's crew. Luffy had the feeling that BB could become his enemy someday in Jaya. When they were staring at each other, he didn't leave until he made sure that BB had gone. And Luffy even realized that "those guy" are the same. Now because of Ace, it's obvious he will fight with him someday. How can gomu gomu fight against yami yami? Ask Oda. But as I can see that BB doesn't have Haki. Because if he had, he didn't need that power. So if Luffy can learn Haki, he can beat him.

Also my theories for the war between WB vs. Shichibukai.
Ace's execution will be Mariejoa (Marine HQ) and Ace right now is at ID.
Base on the map that Elder Nyon explained, I cannot see the path way for ship to stop if Ace is transported from ID to Mariejoa. Because one side is the Red Line, another side is Calm Belt, and the last side is the spiral current that cannot get in.
So there're 2 sides that WB could attack and save Ace: Marine HQ and ID
For Marine HQ:
First choice, confront between Marine HQ and the Gate of Justice before Ace come in through from ID to Marine HQ's Gate.
Second choice, attack in front of Marine HQ's Gate when it opens (for Ace coming in through from ID)
For ID,
First choice, attack through Calm Belt
Second choice, attack in front of ID's Gate when it opens

There's no way WB can pass through ID's Gate and invade in like Luffy.

But anyway, the war will happen because we want to see the show between WB and Shichibukai.

Luffy will save Ace successfully to make his name in the history as the 1st one who intruded and rescued prisoner successfully. If he get caught, thing would become more complicated. But who know Oda-sensei. Maybe in a whim he wants both brothers to be executed together. And the the Rescue Arc for the SH's crew. Maybe at that time, Dragon will appear.

Even if Luffy was able to save Ace, Ace is the half-dead situation, so he need someplace to hide and rest. I think they will return back to Kuja. Because Luffy has to bring Hancock back to Kuja alive. So of course they could go together, as for Luffy knew that Hancock really didn't want to go to Mariejoa.

 

[knivez]

Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

I just had this amazing idea about the final jailbreak. They said there are 4 demon guards right. What if we get 4 full page spreads of lets say: Luffy, Ace, Jimbei and Crocodile 1 punch KOing these demon guards ! 1 goes flying through the wall of ID and Jimbei swims them out to safety. Yeah not croc but someone else, someone good : ). 4 of those amazing tenryuubito punch style full spreads, all of them screaming LET US OUT !!!!

 

[Tenryuken]

Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

JinxJen, Ace is my 2nd favorite character but I totally love Teach.

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@knivez
Those 4 guards, they maybe the Minautors and for some reason I think that they are stronger than Luffy.

 

[knivez]

Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

Ofcourse they are the minotaurs. I was just hoping for some amazing scene : ). Would be a nice way to show Jimbei's strength. First they beat him up while he is in chaines the next moment he is out of them and just takes them out with 1 punch : ). Luffy somehow uses haki and well ace is ace : ). After their last talk we can assume he is about equal to Jimbei

 

[Akainu]

Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

well we only saw one of minotaur yet, so we can't rule out that the others look diffrent.
for example att the introduction of ID as Luffy entered it, there were shown diffrent things like the cauldrons with the boiling water, the poisonous spider some spikes with bones on them and - that's my point here - the snout of something that rather looked like a lion but could easily be a mythical creature Oda made a demon guard

 

[Razh]

Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

well we only saw one of minotaur yet, so we can't rule out that the others look diffrent.

Maybe it wasn't all the same guy.

But it would be better if there were 4 different types.

 

[knivez]

Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

ancient zoan type fruit users maybe

 

[camil222]

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To camil222: I don't think the one who killed people and destroyed other country like BB would be consider as a good guy. Because in Oda-sensei's mind, killing is bad. That's why he won't let Luffy kill anyone nor anyone being killed. I don't agree with you sayind that he's the same as Luffy. Well, all pirates obviously used to dream to be Pirate King. The point is their determination. All I can see is BB is a cunning guy. He used everything to get his purpose without any considering human's life. Just like WB already said "Can the fact of killing a nakama be forgiven?" As for he wanted to use Luffy for his ambition to get the WG's favor made me don't like him. If you are a good person, you should catch a bad person. I means in personality. I don't really like someone who boasts and shows off their power to other for his own. To me, BB is like that. Luffy did everything for his nakama and become famous. But BB is just try to catch a big fish and show off to the WG to get the protection (like you said) and take advantage of the situation to overthrow WB. I honesty cannot see this guy as a good one. As for what he did with Ace, well, I suppose it should happen like that if Ace was lost. So I have no comment. But as Ace's fan personally, I, of course, hate BB.
I also don't understand the reason why you would consider BB join Luffy's crew. Luffy had the feeling that BB could become his enemy someday in Jaya. When they were staring at each other, he didn't leave until he made sure that BB had gone. And Luffy even realized that "those guy" are the same. Now because of Ace, it's obvious he will fight with him someday. How can gomu gomu fight against yami yami? Ask Oda. But as I can see that BB doesn't have Haki. Because if he had, he didn't need that power. So if Luffy can learn Haki, he can beat him.

Tell me how blackbeard is so different from luffy? he killed someone? all the fights that luffy fought, the only reason why oda didnt make luffy killed those other opponents is because one piece is a manga for all ages and he wont kill someone in front of kids. and he wants luffy to look like a nice guy. and when they said that he destroyed the country, do you think he did it just for fun? i dont think so, he did it so that the king, wapol, leaves the country, well it never said anywhere that but im sure thats why. all the people from drum kingdom were thankful towards blackbeard. and in jaya when luffy got beaten up by bellamy and they got out of the bar, blackbeard congratulated them and said it was the right thing to do. luffy and blackbeard obvioulsly revolve around the same principles, except blackbeard will do anything to obtain them. a bad guy in one piece would be crocodile, he almost destroyed all of the arabasta kingdom cause he wanted power, just for the ancient weapons. blackbeard would not do that just for the fun of it, hes a really peaceful guy and is only gonna do bad thing if hes forced to do it. his plan was never to kill his commandant, it was just to get his fruit, but his commandant had his dream in his hands so blackbeard just had to get it no matter what. luffy and blackbeard are the same, they both believe in dreams, just like every d, they are alike and believe in the same things. well almost.

 

[Razh]

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ancient zoan type fruit users maybe

I don't think that minotaur dude is a fruit user. Or any of the other four demon gards for that matter.
We've already seen 2 creatures from out myths is ID. Basilisk and sphinx. Gorgon was mentioned on Amazon Lily, and while the story about it is a lie, it doesn't have to mean that gorgon itself is an imagined thing.

So I'd say that the guard we've already seen really is a minotaur. And others could be a centaur, a cyclops, a harpy or any other creature from Greek or other mythologies.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

I just had this amazing idea about the final jailbreak. They said there are 4 demon guards right. What if we get 4 full page spreads of lets say: Luffy, Ace, Jimbei and Crocodile 1 punch KOing these demon guards ! 1 goes flying through the wall of ID and Jimbei swims them out to safety. Yeah not croc but someone else, someone good : ). 4 of those amazing tenryuubito punch style full spreads, all of them screaming LET US OUT !!!!

ah i had someother...

ruffy, buggy and half baroquefirma coming to the level where ace, jimbei and crocodile are arrested, mr 3 opens the door for ace, jimbei and crocodile his boss, so a battle begins with baroque works versus ruffy, buggy, jimbei, ace

and why? crocodile wants to capture luffy and the other free mans to become the shichibukaititle from jimbei

something like this :/

 

[Tenryuken]

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@camil222
Arlong and Crow are also pretty much the same as Croc, true Pirates(that's how I love them).

 

[Wowzers]

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Sorry for the wall of text! I've been wondering a bit about the Yonko and why they are all grouped up in the new world and why they can't get to Raftel. To begin with, it probably has the most dangerous stretch of sea in the world, reefs, whirlpools, seakings, storms, etc. It may even be defended by, well, who knows. In any case there are likely non-obvious reasons too.

The 2nd Last Island:
Before you go to Raftel, the last island on the Grand Line, you have to get your lockpost set on the 2nd last island so it will point to Raftel... presumably anyway. Since the only one to make it to Raftel was Gold Roger, it can't be that simple or over the centuries lots of people would have been there. One possible obstacle would be where the Lockpost doesn't reset to Raftel on the 2nd last island unless certain conditions are met, like the order of the islands you were at. It's almost like a combination lock to get the post to set correctly. There are plenty of other possible obstacles but I am just going to focus on this one at the moment.

The Lockpost:
Gold Roger was the only one to make it to Raftel.
Crocus was on Gold Roger's ship all the way down the grand line to Raftel.
Crocus gave his Lockpost to Nami who is using it now.
The SH crew seems to be following in Gold Rogers footsteps, going everywhere he went.
At first I assumed that it was because Gold Roger was "everywhere" in the grand line, but was that really the case? Would he have gone back down the grand line and redone the other 6 routes? Maybe for adventure I guess but somehow I think that most don't even consider re-doing it over again back from the beginning... let alone 6 more times.
I think he did it once and the SH crew are following the exact same route because the Lockpost they are using is already set to that chain of islands that Roger took.
In other words the SH crew will eventually get to Raftel if they don't deviate from the lockpost route... or if the lockpost isn't stolen or broken!
Nami has the lockpost right now on the sky island Weatheria. It doesn't look big enough to have it's own magnetic field but Nami should be careful about that until the SH crew gets to Fishman island.

The Strawhats have had a number of times where they were tempted to skip islands due to circumstances, for example when they got to Skypia and no-one knew how to get up to it or when they were given an Eternal Post to quickly get to Alabasta but Luffy smashed it. In both cases Luffy decided not to deviate. It's almost as though he instinctively knows the correct route... even though with his sense of direction he could lose his way in a house with one door.

One last thing I've noticed... in most military command centers, you will find maps up on the walls of what was important to them. Look what is up on the walls in this scene: The Shichibukai meeting.
Is is art work?? It almost looks like a current map around a circular object in the middle. There are 7 starting and stopping points at the top and bottom, kind of like the routes through the grand line. I can't recall anything looking like this in the 1st half of the grand line. If it is in the new world, could it be Raftel? And what could be bending the currents around like that... a force field? a wall? a massive reef system?
Oh, by the way, those pictures are still up on the walls in the Shichibukai meeting in ch 524 but Kuma and Moria just happen to be tall enough to block our view of them.

 

[Tenryuken]

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It's just decoration.

 

[Razh]

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Obviously.

Something like this wall wood carvings, Wowzers:

Spoiler

 

[camil222]

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i doubt that they used that logpose on rogers ship. crocus wasnt the navigator of the crew so i doubt its that logpose. maybe it is but i really doubt it. and i think that the only way to get to raftel is by mouth to ear, the logpose doesnt show where the island is. that would be one of the reason why its so hard to get on the island.

 

[ultrazai]

Re: One Piece 530 Discussion/531 Predictions

does anyone think all shichibukais will risk their lifes for the WG?

Flamingo-well he has other goals then a potential death in a fight versus whitebeard and thats a possibility there
moria-He has no shadows or atleast not many right now he could not go all out even if he wanted to
mihawk-he seem to be the rather selforiented guy he doesn't even have any underlings so i dont think he will fight when he does no have to
Blackbeard-ok he HAS to fight ....thats obvious
kuma- hard case even if he is said to be loyal he would fight but perhaps not i dont know his motives seem to be blurry to me
boa- i dont think she would fight cause she will stay with luffy (my hopes XD)
jimbei- obvious not

so we have 1 shichibukai who will definitly fight but of the other potential fighters some cant go 100% and some wont go 100% so it will be whitebeard vs the marine mostly...

 

[zelllogan]

Re: One Piece 530 Discussion/531 Predictions

Mihawk: It was only hinted but Mihawk could have been from White Beard's crew. White Beard said that he witnessed the old fights between red ace & shanks. But I see Mihawk fighting 100% against anyone who have the fighting strength to entertain him

Moria: Something I didn't get with that character: his power. Basically, all he needs to do is to take someone's shadow in daylight and the person die right away. And the guy choose to go to the only place where there is no sun. IMO, he will be at his strongest in daylight.

The world government also haves all PX's to helps them in the fight.

 

[Razh]

Re: One Piece 530 Discussion/531 Predictions

It's not hinted.
And Whitebeard never said that he actually witnessed the duel. Just that he heard about it.

 

[fastfonz]

Re: One Piece 530 Discussion/531 Predictions

well Don Flamingo seemed pretty excited when he fired Disco and told him about the upcoming fight. He is a showcase silver medalist.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/504/07/

BB and Flamingo are both all in and excited about it. they are shichibukai, and two cocky bastards to say the least.. I doubt Flamingo will stay in the background cause he is afraid to die. I also dont see why Moria would hold back.

 

[camil222]

Re: One Piece 530 Discussion/531 Predictions

ya moria said he made his reputation using his fruit only. and then he lost to kaidou so he chose to take everyones shadow and to use it for his own power. im relying on memory here as always but i think he said he got his bounty by using his fruit only.