One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 1st Chapter

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Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

Well I for one find the denden mushi technology to be incredible. Wireless with no instance (that I can remember) of roaming or lack of bars. (Hell they even work with storms all around and a gigantic tidal wave looming nearby)
 

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Aphalite said:
Well I for one find the denden mushi technology to be incredible. Wireless with no instance (that I can remember) of roaming or lack of bars. (Hell they even work with storms all around and a gigantic tidal wave looming nearby)
The denden mushi was explained by Oda on a SBS... they are living animals with telepatic powers, and they work for humans in exchange of food and care...

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I don't think there IS a set "technological level" of the One Piece world. Oda basically does whatever he wants. He started off trying to keep the technology more or less consistent with the historical Golden Age of Piracy, which was from around 1650 until around 1725. But then he added stuff like bazookas, and Pluton, and Pacifistas, so basically, I'd say that the general level of technology in One Piece is that of around the late 1600's-early 1700's, with some unique instances of much more advanced technology. (For instance, Vegapunk is 500 years ahead of the rest of the world, and Franky is a very steampunk sort of cyborg anyway, so he's not too far ahead of the early 1700's. But a lot of times, things happen that are ahead of that era's technology just because Oda wants them to.)
I guess we all agree with that... good point Imitorar, a very clear and concise analise of the OP world


there is another thing i´ve allways wanted to know... maybe someone here knows.
How many crewman a regular crew has in the real world? What are theire roles? And in the OP world?
 

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I don't know what everybody else thinks, but there's no set number of people within a crew..

Before coming into the Grandline, Luffy wanted 10 nakamas, but had I think 4 plus himself...
I think rookie pirates such as Luffy and the other supernovas are still in the process of recruiting but someone like Luffy considers his crew as his nakama so he only recruits interesting people....

Pirates with more experience tend to have larger crews since they've had the time to recruit for years or so.

Whitebeard's crew is so big he has divisions, 4 to be exact:

1st division- Marco
2nd division- Ace
3rd division- Jozu
4th division- Thatch or Sacchi (however you spell it)

It was mentioned that Don Krieg had an armada of 50 ships consisting of 5,000 men...

I would say when a pirate starts out they recruit what I believe to be the "necessary positions" then once that is done, they built the crew by recruiting more and more strong crew members.

These are what I consider to be the Basic crew positions on a pirate ship:

- First mate/champion- normally considered to be the strongest in the crew excluding the captain.. examples of these are Zoro, Ben Beckman, Jesus Burgess, Mohji, Gin, etc..
Second mate-second strongest in the crew
Doctor-
Navigator-
Chef-
Shipwright-
Musician-
Shooter/Gunner-

This list could vary depending on the person....
 

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Thx for the answer! :)
u really think a musician is a basic crew position??

Thats in OP, but what are the members in the real world?

What about the guy who screams "I see land" and stays on the tallest part of the ship? Or people to clean? how about a head of security?
 

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The head of the deck crew is called boatswain.. don't know exactly what he does but I think he supervises the deck crew and gives them assignments and stuff like that.

Then there's the helmsman who steers the boat.. don't know if he does anything else..

Im not very well read on the subject but these two are the ones I know of (besides the One Piece ones :p).

EDIT: Also, although not an occupation, the second mate is often the one behind mutinies and is the one who takes the new role as captain whenever the original captain dies (I tried to look this up but all I found was some dull wikipedia article with some grey boring picture of some tedious ship cargo). Anyway, that's what I know about that, thank you.
 
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@Raysen_ht: oh sorry, i didn't read your post clearly i thought you were referring to the OP World. I'll see what I can find out and post it later...
 

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Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

Just gonna add an important position Goldb left out.

Quartermaster: instills crew discipline, pays out booty, runs the day to day activities on the ship
 

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just to add some more I've found:

Organizized already added this, but maybe this will provide more information:

source: http://www.thepiratesrealm.com/pirate crew.html

Boatswain (bos'n) - This position may be compared to the modern chief petty officer.a boatswain's whistle A ship of any size would require the boatswain to oversee several junior officers who would share his responsibility for the crew's morale and work efficiency as well as the maintenance and repair of the hull, rigging, lines, cables, sails, and anchors.

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source: http://blindkat.hegewisch.net/pirates/capcrew.html#master

The Captain
One thing for sure about pirates is they didn't like authority. The Navy ships of the various countries were usually commanded by the privileged class, not necessarily because of any inherent skill but just because that was the way it was done. Sailor in the regular navy were often treated miserably by their Captains. Pirates would have nothing to with this.

Contrary to the book Treasure Island, Most Captains didn't command by an iron fist, they commanded because of skill, daring, and the ability to win prize and booty. In some cases pirate ship elected its Captain through a vote. If the Captain fell in disfavor The crew were just as quick as quick to maroon their captain, or throw him overboard, or perhaps if he were lucky they would just let him off at the nearest port.

But it is safe to assume that if a Captain had a bad cruise with little to show for it and the end of it, it would be difficult for him to raise a new crew in the future.

In many cases, the Captain didin't have the last say, except perhaps in the midst of battle. In fact, on some ships , the Captain had no more power than every other pirate on board except in times of battle. When not in battle or preparing to fight, quite often the Quartermaster might actually be in charge of the ship.

Important matters such as where the ship might sail, or rather or not to put into port, or if a certain ship should be engaged and so on, were quite often not up to the Captain. These pressing details were decided by vote, with the majority ruling. If the Captain were to go against the vote, then he too would be in violation of the Articles of Piracy, and would most likely step down from command and new leader would be chosen.

Of course on other ships, simply through his skill and charisma, a pirate captain would command and lead with his voice being the ultimate authority. While it is true that after mutinies crews would sometimes vote ona new captain before going pirate, it was usually the leader of the mutiny that got the vote. It is also true that, especially among some of the smaller pirate vessels, that the pirate crew was led by a natural leader and his close mates. In such a case, the priate crew may work more like a family or clan than the much touted democracy.

Quartermaster
The Quartermaster, depending on the circumstances and the pirare ship was the second in command. His main purpose was to distribute things. He distributed, rations, powder, work, prize, and punishment.

Pirate didn't trust authority and therefore saw no reason to let all the power of a ship rest on one man. Therefore they split the power between, the Captain, who led the ship in battle, and navigated the ship, and the Quartermaster, who usually led the way on any boarding party, and kept custody of all prize or booty. The Quartermaster also determined what prize was worth taking.

As expected all gold, silver, or coin was taken, but beyond that, it was the quartermaster who decided what else was worth taking. He made his decisions based on time on how much room the ship had. If the ship was already cramped, spices and exotic materials may be burned rather that stolen.

The quartermaster would also watch over the treasure until it was divided among the crew. It was also the quartermaster who did the dividing, with the crew's supervision. There was rarely a dispute about how the loot was divided, however.

The quartermaster was also the only man who could dole out punishment. Even then, any many instances the crew would take a vote first. The captain could order punishment but only the quartermaster could administer it, which made it the will of at least two before any punishment was given.

The quartermaster also settled individual quarrels and if need be, acted as a witness to any duels, to insure that duels were fair and just. Finally, on some ships, except when in battle the quartermaster might actually hold a position above the captain, especially in matters of punishment and rations.

Despite all the activitiy of the quartermaster, Pirate captains would still pick their other officers such as first and second mate, often creating a complex chain of command on a pirate ship.

Of course this was not always the case. In many cases, a pirate captain was the ultimate law and there was no quatermaster or the quartermaster and captain worked as if captain and firstmate. Much of the discussion of quatermasters is found in the General History of Pirates and it would be foolish to think all pirate crews had a division of power as it described in that book.

First Mate
On most ships, the First Mate is the officer who ranks just below the Captain of the ship and takes over in the event that the Captain can no longer perform his duties. Unfortunately this is not the case on a pirate ship. The first mate on a pirate ship is the man the pirate picks as his second in command. In the even the pirate is killed the job falls to the quartermaster. Ships also had second, third, even forth mates creating a chain of command.

Boatswain (bos ´n)
Among the crews were several skilled seamen who kept the ship afloat or kept the crew in place. The Bos'n was one of them. Originally, on board a sailing ship such as a man-of-war or a galleon, the boatswain was in charge of a ship's anchors, cordage, colors, deck crew and the ship's boats, and would also be in charge of the rigging while the ship was in dock. The bos'n is often a petty officer. On a sailing ship he might be the thyroid or forth mate. within a pirate crew, if it were large a Bos'n would be right under the quartermaster. On a smaller ship the quartermaster would handle the jobs of the bos'n.

Cabin Boy

The cabin boy is typically a young boy of privileged birth who is sent to sea to learn the maritime trade. Typically the cabin boy waits upon the officers of the ship. In some instances he may act as the Captain's servant. The cabin boy will run messages and errands for the officers, prepare their uniforms, perhaps even fetches their dinner. Because he is an apprentice of sorts, he is also expected to learn all aspects of the maritime trade. The cabin boy works long hard hours. Even on pirate ships, the captain might employ a young energetic fellow as a cabin boy.

Carpenter
A ship's carpenter was the man who kept the ship afloat, making necessary repairs, filling holes if need be, and so on. Carpentry was an extremely useful skill onboard ship and good carpenters were highly valued.

Gunner

Gunners were skilled men who aimed the guns on a ship. In some instances a master gunner would give orders to other gunners on how to set their guns during a broadside. It took years of practice to become a good gunner.

Master
The term used to describe a leader of certain section. Thus the master gunner is the person in charge of the guns (artillery, now pistols), the Master Rigger would be in charge of fixing the ships rigging, a Master carpenter, would be the top carpenter. Under these "masters" would be a series of mates. Thus you might have a gunners mate and gunners second mate and so on.

Pilot
The man at the helm. The helmsman. The pilot was the man who steered the ship. Typically one man would be the master pilot who would work with the navigator and captain to pilot the ship over the water. The pilot needed to know such aspects as the ship's draught (how deep she sat in the water) how wide the ship was and how sharply she could turn. In shallow waters, the crew would take soundings (checking the depth of the water) and it would be up to the pilot to either steer the ship or sometimes stand at the bow and relay orders back to the man at the helm which way to steer the ship. Quite often, in the movies you see the captain of the ship giving the orders but in real life the captain would rely on the pilot of the ship to do such a task. In some cases a crew man might be given the task of acting as a pilot for a portion of a voyage because they were more familiar with sand banks, hidden shoals, and rough currents in an that area

Powder Monkey

Powder Monkey was a British naval term used to describe the young boys who made up the gun crews. The term dates from the 1600s. Many powder monkeys were probably pressed into service, being kidnapped by press gangs and forced to serve aboard ship. Often the powder monkeys were young lads no more than eleven to thirteen years old. They mainly assisted the gun crews and learned most of the ships basics but were paid little (if anything), treated poorly, and were expendable. If they managed to live a few years, they might eventually make it to a position of more importance on the ship. Often, due to their harsh life, powder monkeys were quick to sign articles and desert a ship. On a pirate ship, new comers would serve the function of powder monkeys.

Sea Artist
A sea artists is not someone who paints seascapes. typically the term referred to the ship's navigator. The sea artist was expert at reading and correcting charts, using navigational tools such as the cross-staff, backstaff, quadrant, and sextant (depending on time period). They were also expert at use dead reckoning methods for determining longitude. Some were also capable of determining longitude using lunar observations (taking lunars). The sea artist was also an expert at reading the ocean, able to tell shallows and hidden reefs from deep waters and able to determine if storms were coming. Possessing such knowledge often would make a person the second mate if he were not already the first mate or captain.

On a more broad term, the sea artists was anyone who could maneuver ships over great distances with little or no difficulty, an expert seaman.

Striker
Often overlooked, the Striker was a native of the West Indies, typically from Darien or the Mosquito Coast. They were expert hunters who trapped sea turtles and manatees; fished for sharks and other large fish; and also hunted wild game when the the crew came ashore. Their knowledge of local plants aided in collecting edible fruits and vegitables as well as medicinal plants and herbs.Their expert ability at hunting and fishing earned them a spot among the crew, Their hatred of Spain assured their loyalty and ferocity in battle. They were not kept aboard for the seaman ship, their job was to catch fish and kill Spaniards.

Surgeon

Surgeons were highly valued among pirates and when pirates captured ships they would often press surgeons into service. A surgeon was typically the only person kept on board who was not required to sign articles. Depending on the nature of the crew some surgeons were paid even if they refused to sign on.

If a surgeon wasn't handy, then the crew would often elect someone with an inkling of knowledge to act as surgeon. On at least one account, the carpenter was elected the ship's surgeon, because the carpenter had the necessary tools needed to amputate limbs and knew how to cut quickly. At other times a cook might also be employed but cooks were normally considered less skillful at cutting than carpenters. (Cooks weren't butchers and had little training. Typically they were crew members assigned to work the galley who managed to make edible food.)
 
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You found a really nice page there! I'm actually quite interested in this stuff and this added some real fuel to that fire. Thank you! That should be enough answer for that question, really.
 

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Thx a lot man!! u really completely answered that!!! Thats exactly what i wanted to know!!!!

So i guess to the SH the jobs are something like this (of course its not perfect but...):



Luffi - Capitain

Zoro - 1st Mate (main role) also fills the role of Boatswain

Nami - Sea artist (main role) also Quartermaster, 2nd mate and pilot

Usopp - Gunner (main role) also Carpenter mate

Sanji - Cook (main role) also Striker

Chopper - Surgeon

Robin - ???? Archeologist (not in the list of real world roles)

Franky - Master Carpeter

Brook - ???? Musician (not in the list of real world roles)



They dont have any Cabin Boys or Powder Monkeys... which they dont need anyway...

I guess they could use someone to be especifically in charge of piloting, because, as i understand it, Nami is an awesome navigator, but she is nothing especial as a pilot...
 

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hmm, but then.. Nami would become captain if Luffy died (since the first mate apparently only fills that part on regular ships, not pirate ships).. I wonder how that'd work :p
 

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Heh, she already plays that role.
 

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I guess they could use someone to be especifically in charge of piloting, because, as i understand it, Nami is an awesome navigator, but she is nothing especial as a pilot...
Chopper or Sanji usually takes on that role (when Nami orders them to of course)
 

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I don't think there IS a set "technological level" of the One Piece world. Oda basically does whatever he wants. He started off trying to keep the technology more or less consistent with the historical Golden Age of Piracy, which was from around 1650 until around 1725. But then he added stuff like bazookas, and Pluton, and Pacifistas, so basically, I'd say that the general level of technology in One Piece is that of around the late 1600's-early 1700's, with some unique instances of much more advanced technology. (For instance, Vegapunk is 500 years ahead of the rest of the world, and Franky is a very steampunk sort of cyborg anyway, so he's not too far ahead of the early 1700's. But a lot of times, things happen that are ahead of that era's technology just because Oda wants them to.)




back to the topic before the crew members thingy. i believe oda explains all the things discussed in this quote. there are not really inconsistencies i forget which chapter it is ummmm ahh 115 vivi says

Vivi: It's still stuck in the age of the dinosaurs.
Because of the difficulty of navigating the Grand Line, rather than intermingling,
each island has built up its own peculiar culture.
So if some of the cultures develop a wildly advanced lifestyle...
Others can stay stuck in time, for thousands and tens of thousands of years!!
It's all possible with the Grand Line's chaotic weather.
So you see... this island is still in the age of the dinosaurs!!
We've virtually gone back in time!!
Get OFF of that!!!!

here is stephen's trans http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/op-v13c115.txt

of course yeah it does happen just cause oda wants it too but he gives a reasonable excuse
 
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I was wondering... Luffy body is elastic, which mean that it contracts. But a punch of Teach would keep it's position from where it belongs...
 

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back to the topic before the crew members thingy. i believe oda explains all the things discussed in this quote. there are not really inconsistencies i forget which chapter it is ummmm ahh 115 vivi says

Vivi: It's still stuck in the age of the dinosaurs.
Because of the difficulty of navigating the Grand Line, rather than intermingling,
each island has built up its own peculiar culture.
So if some of the cultures develop a wildly advanced lifestyle...
Others can stay stuck in time, for thousands and tens of thousands of years!!
It's all possible with the Grand Line's chaotic weather.
So you see... this island is still in the age of the dinosaurs!!
We've virtually gone back in time!!
Get OFF of that!!!!
Nice find!1 this explains the differences on GL, and for the rest of the world i think Imitorar´s explanation covers it...

Ilovefoxes said:
was wondering... Luffy body is elastic, which mean that it contracts. But a punch of Teach would keep it's position from where it belongs...
I dont get what u mean...:blink
Can u refrase that?!?!
 

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I was wondering... Luffy body is elastic, which mean that it contracts. But a punch of Teach would keep it's position from where it belongs...
Yes. Luffy's body is made of rubber. But he can take damage. Lucci hurt him even with a rubber body because of his Shigan. BB can hurt him by not only touching him but bringing down a wall of Darkness to really knock out Luffy.

In order for Luffy to survive the battle with his current skills He would have to rely on Gear 2 which I don't believe he could win with. I honestly think he has to learn a few more things than vulcanization in order to win that fight.
 

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Does anybody knows how old are
Garp
WB
Sengoku
Dragon
the known Shishibukay
Shanks
Aokiji
Dr. kuhera

Also, what is Shanks full name???? Is he a D?
 

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Shanks is not a D. He is 37, name is currently "Red Haired Shanks"

Dr. Kureha is 140 (doesn't look to be over 99 1/2)
 

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Shanks is not a D. He is 37, name is currently "Red Haired Shanks"
If his full name was never mentioned, how can u be sure he is not a D?

(doesn't look to be over 99 1/2)
What do u mean? :huh
 
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