One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 1st Chapter

[SpaceDBadger]

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Yeah that's probably true Akainu....

Btw any predictions on how Luffy can get any stronger other than using gear 2 and 3..... I seriously can't think how he can. I was so impressed with Oda coming up with Gear 2, but how can stretching make you any more powerful? Any guesses? Either that or how is he going to overcome the shorting of his life aspect..............

 

[knivez]

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The shortening of his life isnt a problem for luffy. He is living his dream. He stated before that dieing while chasing his dream wasnt a problem for him at least he tried his hardest.

Luffy will get stronger from learning how to use haki and maybe making himself denser, hardening his body.

 

[Ichimaru Gin n Tonic]

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but how can stretching make you any more powerful? Any guesses? Either that or how is he going to overcome the shorting of his life aspect..............

I think Luffy gets stronger by utilizing the kinetic energy converted from the potential energy resulted from the stretching. That's the closest "scientific" explanation to it, too bad there's no scientific explanation on how you can stretch that far after eating a devil fruit.

 

[SpaceDBadger]

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No i didn't mean getting stronger physically. More like techniques, like gear 2 and 3..... I also presumed that the gears were an allusion to a car in the sense that 2 and 3 are just the middle gears. With a potential or there to be 4 and 5 possibly 6 . I was thinking that Luffy could do a full Gear 3 mode, possibly gear 4 "GIANT LUFFY!!!!"

@knivez: But I don't want Luffy to die I want him to have a means of fighting without shortening his lifespan Maybe it's not an issue for Luffy but it's an issue for me ......

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After making a comment in the spoiler discussion thread it occurred to me that maybe this could be an interesting discussion. Before I start, I've never made two posts in a row before is that allowed, I've never seen anyone do it, and I would edit my original post but this comment really has nothing to do with it, I'm sorry to monitors if this is a "no no" but I'm going to do it anyway.....

I stated in my the spoiler discussion thread that Kizaru is arguably the 2nd strongest character we've seen so far. After writing this I realized how premature this statement was. So far in this manga we've witnessed a fraction of two Yonkou's power, i.e. Whitebeard and Shanks, not to mention a whole series of strong characters like Aokiji, Garp, Dragon, Smoker, Ray, BB, Mihawk, Enel, Ace not to mention Luffy and the SH's.... And I was wondering if people were to rank the characters they viewed as most impressive/ powerful who would they people were to make a list on who they thought were the strongest characters, who would people rate over others???

This could become a really interesting discussion, it could become a heated debate, it could be completely ignored but I thought it might lead to good discussion if people were interested....

So here is my view to get the ball rolling...............

1. Aokiji, no one for my mind has made a more significant impression than this man. He has been labeled the most powerful Marine, and in just 4 (possibly less can't remember) chapter's he completely DISPATCHED the entire SH crew. Not only that but he showed impressive intelligence and an interesting sense of justice......
2. Blackbeard, of course first impressions weren't exactly great (being blown into the air by the knock up stream, though funny doesn't speak well of a character's strength) but having said that his care-free feelings demonstrated upon first meeting Luffy and his Second Impresison (I.E defeating Ace) more than atoned for this issue. BB has already been regarded by Shanks as a possibility to take out WB and carries the Will of D....his potential is almost unparalleled for my mind. Of course his DF ability is also a powerful opponent against Logia types (which so far have bee regarded as the most powerful of the DF)
3. Ok so here for me is where things get sticky...... Obviously people must be shocked that I haven't mentioned the likes of WB, Shanks, Ray or Dragon, I know I'm a little suprised too. It's just the feeling I got with WB is that (though strong) is cockiness is unparalleled... I also get the feeling that he's definitely seen the best of his days (with all the medical treatment going on) and I feel as if his legend is more impressive than his person.... Of course I'm sure I will be eating these words soon enough. As for Shanks he has admitted that he "bet on the next generation" I don't think he will ever be regarded as the strongest just because of his arm, but again I'm talking from a point of ignorance.... And none of the Yonkou's power has been properly demonstrated yet.....
So I guess this leaves me with Ray and Dragon, and between those two I think Dragon must win out just because get's demonstrated more power than Ray (but if these latest spoilers are anything to go by that may soon change )..... Dragon is labeled as the biggest threat by the World Government (therefore a larger bounty than the Yonkou) his father is a Marine that cornered Gol. D on several occasions and he defeated smoker without even lifting a figure......

So anyway i could go on, but then this post would continue into the next 3 pages and I'm not even sure if I won't be removed for posing twice in a row (hopefully someone has already written another in the mean time )....So please top 3 (or more if you feel like it) characters that so far have struck you as the most powerful and impressive characters.....'

EDIT: OH I SEE IT JUST FOLLOWS THE PREVIOUS COMMENT I'M AN IDIOT AHAHAHA

 

[paradoxe]

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You should probably make a new thread for this..

1. Aokiji, no one for my mind has made a more significant impression than this man. He has been labeled the most powerful Marine, and in just 4 (possibly less can't remember) chapter's he completely DISPATCHED the entire SH crew. Not only that but he showed impressive intelligence and an interesting sense of justice......

Just to correct you: Aokiji is part of a trio of Admirals which are jointly called the Marine HQ's Most Powerful forces.. Remember that Kizaru also had that title when he was introduced. It is an error to assume that Aokiji is the most powerful Admiral.

 

[SpaceDBadger]

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No thats the thing paradoxe i asked this question, when Aokiji was introduced it said he was the supreme admiral and the strongest in some weird division/ group thing I'm not sure the direct reference, and it confuse dme but yeah that's why I said it..... I just couldn't tell what Oda meant....

 

[paradoxe]

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No thats the thing paradoxe i asked this question, when Aokiji was introduced it said he was the supreme admiral and the strongest in some weird division/ group thing I'm not sure the direct reference, and it confuse dme but yeah that's why I said it..... I just couldn't tell what Oda meant....

I know what yu mean.

Lots of people misunderstood what Oda meant there. What I think is this: Basically the three admirals are the Marine's most powerful assets, aside from Sengoku himself. They are JOINTLY bestowed the title "The Naval HQ Highest combat potential" or something like that. It is not an individual title; each admiral is so called.

Check out that thread in Naruto Fanforums for a longer version of what I said.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=400266

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

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About Ao Kiji being the strongest, i don't agree.

For me, Kizaru is stronger than Ao Kiji cause of his fast and his power : light.
How could you kick light ? (waiting for a Oda's way to do it, just have to wait for the next chapters, maybe ...)

The way to kick Ao Kiji is simple if you are a great pirate : you must be faster than him and put a lot of salt on you.
With that, his logia fruit would'nt protect him from physic attacks.
Indeed, everybody knows that salt turns snow in water ...
So salt is Ao Kiji's weakness ! Sorry, if it the same weakness for the zombies ^^

So, I think Luffy would be able to beat him in the New World cause he's gonna be really faster with new technics.

But being able to kick Kizazu, it's an another problem, my dears.

 

[SpaceDBadger]

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I'm not sure Lord Ray (dig the name btw very jealous ahaha)

If you were to put Aokiji in a fight with Kizaru, when Kizaru goes to kick Aokiji he would just freeze him in the process, and who's to say Aokiji being turned to water is a bad thing, maybe he can rapidly cool his body and become ice again, AND Aokiji doesn't have to be afraid of the sea, he can just freeze it before he falls in.............

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

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I just think that with salt, he can't transform in ice and he can be kicked.
I don't mean, he turns in water.

It is just the natural thing that make his power unable to work. So, he can't turn from ice to water, cause with salt, he can't turn in ice first.

And about Ao Kiji freezing Kizaru, you can say Kizaru turning Ao Kiji in water and make the water evaporate ...

So they both have the power to win against each other BUT the faster is Kizaru ... so good bye Ao Kiji.

 

[Akainu]

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aokiji makes some ice crystals and traps kizaru in there or gives him a ticket to the moon.

not that it makes sense comparing them in a direct fight anyway, but well, that's just us fans I guess.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

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Have you forgotten that Kizaru can use his laser to break the crystals or he can use his leg : he can't be trap with something he can destroy (don't forget, he has the strengh of an admiral).

And, if he is reflected, he just have to stop being in light to stop flying.

It's why I'm sure the light logia wins against the ice logia.

 

[Akainu]

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your first point may be true, though we have no evidence, that when he is trapped in light-form (that's probably the one he is travelling in), that he can transform back to break his prison. he'd have to know beforehand that someone wants to trap him.

your second point is imo totally wrong. if he is reflected to somewhere above (light can't travel in curves) and gets back to his normal form, he still travels with the (near) speed of light, though he then will get slower. depending on his reaction that would be an immense distance away from battlefield and will most likely never happen as the admirals not only are strong but know their own weakness pretty well.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

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So, you suppose that when Kizaru is in light form, he can't break the ice or he is jailed in this form and so can't really do something special.

But I don't agree with it.

First, he should be able to melt it because of the heat of the light. Secondly, If he can use his laser, as he is a logia, he can turn himself in a laser form with its heat and strengh.

For example, Ace can turn in fire and in embers. It depends on the level he uses his power.

And I think, it's the same for Kizaru.
He can choose the power of his form.

What do you think of it ?
With it, Ao Kiji shouldn't be able to beat him, no ?

 

[paradoxe]

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We havn't seen Aokiji or Kizaru's full capabilities yet, so its hard to judge.

Its hard to judge even after seeing a character's full strength. I mean, who do yu think would win in a fight.. Kaku or Jyabura? Mr 1 or Wiper? There are no definitive answers to these questions. The fact that we havn't even seen either user fight using their full strength makes the question even more difficult ot answer.

Also, there are no power levels in One Piece..someone like Crocodile could quite easily defeat someone like Lucci..in the right conditions.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

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Yeah, I see what you mean.
It's right that it's not ONLY the DF who make the winner.

But I was talking about the power of the two DF fruits.
And, after the arguments, I think LIGHT win against ICE.
(It's as when people say darkness win against light or something else. PS : this exampe doesn't mean I agree with it)

We don't know the strenght of the two admirals without their DF ...
But as they are both admirals, they should have a similar strenght at this level.
So it's why I think that the one thing which makes the different between them is the DF. And after analysing the DFs, the battle should be in favour of Kizaru.

It's just a little of my thought and an answer to the ones who were talking about Ao Kiji being the strongest marine.
So, you can see that I don't agree with it.

 

[paradoxe]

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I don't agree with that statement either.

But I don't think Kizaru is stronger..I think they're around equal to each other's strength.

In a 1v1 fight, there are many factors which may affect the outcome, for example, the environment, motives for the fight, condition of the fighter..etc. All things being equal, I think it would probably end in a draw.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

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Aokiji vs Kizaru is arguably the stupidest fight I've ever seen. First of all it's never going to happen despite it being hypothetical

Secondly unless you can show me a battle where Aokiji(or Kizaru) went all out against an opponent that had powers something like Kizaru(or Aokiji) then anything I say is null and void. We don't even have an idea of what they're real strength is.

 

[Fox666]

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Yes, impossible. But, if it would happen, Kizaru would win due to the nature of his devil fruit. Ice can't froze light, but light can evaporate ice. I can imagine reflecting light, but light doesn't hurt light either.

 

[SpaceDBadger]

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Well I certainly wasn't intending to spark so much debate over Kizaru and Aokiji I just wanted ppl to list there top 3-5 characters in terms of strength and epicness