One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 2nd Chapter

[elitefox]

I will repeat myself but : you guys are seriously overestimating Hancock.

True she can turn almost everybody into stone, but it can be dodged and we know that there are a lot of guys with enough speed to dodge it. Her beauty/charm is a little like the king Haki, it makes your weak minded enemies obedient (or something similar) but strong willed guys are much less affected (but enough to be turned into stone if they are hit her main power). She has haki, yes, but you can overtake it, see Aokiji or even Luffy against the boa sisters. Perfume femur, right, but it's clear if she is really speedy, again, guys fairly strong (even in SH crew) can surely dodge her hits.

Yes Sengoku said she is strong, of course he would say that, turning people into stone+mastering haki makes you very dangerous. But too strong for the SH crew ? Not for everybody in the crew.

the question is can all of them dodge her titshits while charmed maybe except zoro and robin will be unaffected, but you have to be totally an idiot or as innocent as luffy. but just the smallest smallest wicked thought can turn you to stone, look at VC momonga.

 

[Gats]

Gatsuga.. I'm seeing your POV but I steel think it isn't that easy...
the "Mero Mero Merrow" isn't something dodgeable.. as it is imediate, unless you can gess and dodge as soon as he does the gest.. or you're light..

No it is only imediate when your are touched by this power. Even Luffy thougth it was a Noro noro beam (foxy power), HE HAD the time to realise it, and we know that he dodged Foxy power many times (without using gear second). He didn't dodge mero mero for comedy and discovery purpose => this power has no effect on him (and in the anime it wasn't a really fast beam). But he surely can dodge it. Even the VA had the time to cut his hand despite the fact that he was facing Hancock.

Strong willed persons, that are not completely ****** (like sanji), sure won't be all "he is so beaaaauuuttiffuuull" but they will be affected..

This is what I said. They would be affected, but not enough to not react.

And to measure is power with Luffy's:
She destroyed a px with on it... (Luffy needed (one of) the most destructive attack of his wide choice of attacks to destroy one)

She hit his face, we didn't see it destroyed :
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/569/04-05/

Even if she does it doesn't mean that she is so strong. It's just that her kind of ability works very well against Pacifista. It's not math where A>B=C so A>C.

She isn't even with damage lines, and he is in this war..
She hasn't used Haoshoku, wich he has mastered, and is, by far, her most effective abbility (a bit of speculation)...
He hasn't used is snake... the arm nr 1 for the rest of the Kuja's!!

She...he...she...he ? What the hell ? For 1 minute I was guessing if you are comparing her with Luffy again.
For now she was attacked by fodder pirates (and no Smoker didn't attack her, she attacked him), I don't see her being damaged by these guys. If you look at all of the Shichibukais in this war, the only ones who get damaged are Moria and Kuma...because they were fighting against..Jimbei and Iva..not fodder.

So you shouldn't kudge a boock by whats written in the back cover (couse the cover is the most beautifull thing I've ever seen)

The fact is I think you guys are the ones who are judging her this way.

the question is can all of them dodge her titshits while charmed maybe except zoro and robin will be unaffected, but you have to be totally an idiot or as innocent as luffy. but just the smallest smallest wicked thought can turn you to stone, look at VC momonga.

Strong willed guys will fight her if they have to. It's true that (but not Luffy), they will always be affected somewhere in their heart and will be affected by her Mero Mero beam but they'll react accordingly. Momonga reacted despite what he felt, it's the proof that you can fight her despite some feelings if you are stubborn enough.
It's quite possible even for Zorro to be somewhat affected in his heart but this won't stop him unlike fodders or womanizer like Sanji, if he has to fight her, he will.

 

[chess4]

i think dragon's ancestors by be the ancient shandians. he and viper look a lot a like. come to think of it, all the D's are sort of wild looking. i dont think is a coincidence that dragon and viper look so much alike

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Re: Interesting stuff you find in manga or anime

I had noticed that Haguar D. Saul was an obvious reference to Saint Paul.
For those who don't know the story of Saint Paul, see here. To sum up, he used to be named Saul and the Christ (after he died) appeared to him and turned him in a complete different man. At the beginning, he used to persecute christians during Jesus'life, and in the end, he turned to be an apostle.
It just reminds us how Saul used to be a marine hunting the Ohara's archeologists and then changed after his meeting with Olvia.

 

[Twar]

That's an intriguing idea you have there, chess. So that would make Luffy a sort of hybrid? But think about, this theory would (in all probability, can't be bothered with speculating on the blood ties within the D family) include Garp, who bears little resemblance to the Shandians of the sky... in my opinion.

Then again, what if the "D" is a reference to an island from whence the lineage started spreading? Could be a sky island starting with D... Of course many D-s wouldn't know what it stands for, as Saul demonstrated.

 

[Fox666]

We know that the Void Century has something to do with Jaya island.

It was implied by the sailor admiral Norland 400 years ago. He comments that "400 years ago this island had a sad history", making it 800 ago, the same time that something happened to the Ancient Kingdom.

 

[beastboy]

>.<... Shandians.. Dokuro (skull)... D. ... Jaya is a Skull..
So sure Shandians have something to do with the D's...

About Hancock... you say he is weak.. when she putt a Vice admiral to his knees.. thats not being weak...
She fighted Smoker... and it was pretty one sided!

So I'm sure she is no fooder... and she isn't the weakest shichi... she isn't at Admiral level (if that level does exist) and I know this isn't maths.. I'm just saying he is far far far far stronger than Luffy...

 

[Fox666]

Re: Interesting stuff you find in manga or anime

I am impressed that Oda designed Hancock from the very beggining, but didn't show her up in the Shichibukai meeting along with Kuma and Doflamingo. That would been kick ass!

 

[Darkever]

>.<... Shandians.. Dokuro (skull)... D. ... Jaya is a Skull..
So sure Shandians have something to do with the D's...

About Hancock... you say he is weak.. when she putt a Vice admiral to his knees.. thats not being weak...
She fighted Smoker... and it was pretty one sided!

So I'm sure she is no fooder... and she isn't the weakest shichi... he isn't at Admiral level (if that level does exist) and I know this isn't maths.. I'm just saying he is far far far far stronger than Luffy...

Aaaaargh! Please stop using 'he' instead of 'she'!!! Poor Hancock is not an okama!!! (Hancock: "Luffy... in truth... I am a man!" Fans:"Nooooooooooooooooooo" *die*)

 

[OunknownO]

Re: Interesting stuff you find in manga or anime

I am impressed that Oda designed Hancock from the very beggining, but didn't show her up in the Shichibukai meeting along with Kuma and Doflamingo. That would been kick ass!

she was different in the beginning http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/File:Early_Hancock.JPG

 

[frontaLobotomy]

On the subject of Smoker, I'd be willing to bet he'll be granted Vice-Admiral status after the current Arc so he can pursue Luffy in the New World. I seem to remember him mentioning something about rank in the past, I'm sure it was relevant.

 

[Razh]

Yeah, he said he needed rank and position so he can chase Luffy more effectively. He'll probably become Garp Jr.

 

[deffkryz]

On the subject of Smoker, I'd be willing to bet he'll be granted Vice-Admiral status after the current Arc so he can pursue Luffy in the New World. I seem to remember him mentioning something about rank in the past, I'm sure it was relevant.

So he'd skip the Shosho (=Rear Admiral) rank? Right now, Smoker is just a Junsho (=Commodore)... And this rank as it seems already gave him the freedom to stay on the Grand Line.

 

[frontaLobotomy]

^ The only Rear Admiral I'm aware of, at least formerly, is X-Drake. While he may very well be powerful, there has been a distinct line drawn between the abilities of Zoan and Logia. The Three Admirals are Logia types, while the strongest Zoan type has been Marco, who didn't fare too well against Kizaru for the most part. Neither did Drake either, for that matter. Smoker is the only guy Luffy knows he isn't in a position to beat right now, hence why he would prefer to run from the guy, all of this has been mentioned in the story for a reason.

 

[deffkryz]

But what does this have to do with "skipping a rank"?

 

[Fox666]

If I had was Oda, I would have introduced Smoker to begin as a Rear Admiral, and them he would have become a Vice-Admiral for defeating Crocodilet (that would make sense). Also, there had been already a Commodore who Arlong pirates beat in a second.

^ The only Rear Admiral I'm aware of, at least formerly, is X-Drake. While he may very well be powerful, there has been a distinct line drawn between the abilities of Zoan and Logia. The Three Admirals are Logia types, while the strongest Zoan type has been Marco, who didn't fare too well against Kizaru for the most part. Neither did Drake either, for that matter. Smoker is the only guy Luffy knows he isn't in a position to beat right now, hence why he would prefer to run from the guy, all of this has been mentioned in the story for a reason

There is also a Rear Admiral that was chasing Impel Down prisoners in the stealed marine ship.

 

[M.D.Ace]

2 things to asK:

boa hancock...is she beautiful BECAUSE of her devil fruit just like how that alvida became beautiful when she ate or devil fruit. or is it just a cooncidence that her devil fruit works well with her beauty... if so, if an ugly person were to have the devil fruit, would it have the same effect??

seconldy, i think enel is going to come back to the blue see and when he does, he would probably be killing loads of people therefore getting the governments attention and they would make him shichibukai

 

[GomuGomuNoBigBoner]

Enel is where he always wanted to be, plus he's the king of the moon hamsters.
i dont think he will ever have a comeback.

 

[M.D.Ace]

Enel is where he always wanted to be, plus he's the king of the moon hamsters.
i dont think he will ever have a comeback.

i think it would be a major waste of a devil fruit if enel doesnt come back. cause he devil fruit was totali cool and only luffy is immune to its effects. however with other people it would be devastating. his powers seem to also have the same range as akainus and even WB with that last technique he used..in order to give a reason for that totaly pointless arc imo, i think oda would need to bring enel back to the blue sea..

 

[chess4]

i think it would be a major waste of a devil fruit if enel doesnt come back. cause he devil fruit was totali cool and only luffy is immune to its effects. however with other people it would be devastating. his powers seem to also have the same range as akainus and even WB with that last technique he used..in order to give a reason for that totaly pointless arc imo, i think oda would need to bring enel back to the blue sea..

i agree completely............im sure enel will comeback. he was a great villian. plus his logia power is damn near unstoppable. most of luffy's early enemies have mad returns, hacchi, boroque works, buggy, so im sure enel will comeback. he would make an excellent shichibukai. like you said it would be a major waist of a fruit power. its only a few in the one piece world anyway. also why would oda give him mutiple cover stories if he wasnt going to comeback, and same goes for cp9. im sure they will return as a pirate crew as well