One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 2nd Chapter

[beastboy]

If, if, if.... and it's a grand line hitting the right tide is like winning a jackpot... Why is there a brigde that should connect just two island the building is lasted 700 years

Its in east blue not in GL!!
And look at the map that showed up when shaki was talking (I think) and count the islands!!
Following the log pose and with a navigator like nami who can always find the fastest route.. they'll make it ther in no time!!


And who says that ships in OP aren't faster.. a simple thing in the ship disign would make it travel 5 times faster!!

 

[Bugzee]

I wonder whether East Blue is located near a 'secret' path into the grand line?

I cant see how it would take 700+ years to construct a bridge to connect various islands in the same region! Its a bit excessive, therefore im wondering whether this bridge is meant to connect to a specific island in the grand line?

The Great Bridge of OP! lol Maybe its been created by the command of the Gorousei or World Nobles??

 

[OdaisaGod]

I wonder whether East Blue is located near a 'secret' path into the grand line?

I cant see how it would take 700+ years to construct a bridge to connect various islands in the same region! Its a bit excessive, therefore im wondering whether this bridge is meant to connect to a specific island in the grand line?

The Great Bridge of OP! lol Maybe its been created by the command of the Gorousei or World Nobles??

This is exactly what my thought has always been since we first heard about this bridge. In point of fact if it was the right sea I often thought that maybe the bridge was supposed to be trying to reach Raftel. In other words the WG was trying to force a cheat way into getting to Raftel but the Calm Belt monsters kept destroying the bridge as they made it a which would quit easily account for why 700 years of construction has occurred for a single bridge.

On a mildly related note to that ever since we heard about this I have wondered why the WG doesn't just sail over the Calm Belt to Raftel. Any thoughts?

 

[Fox666]

I think that it's because the World is enormous. The "width" of the Grand Line may be that of a medium sized country. It won't make such different to travel through from outside of the Grand Line to Raftel than from inside.

And, after all, they can't just send marine ships all through the Yonkou territory, they will just loose them.

 

[bittman]

It would have to be because Raftel is surrounded by whatever the force is that has Roger being the only man in (known) history to reach it. It's not just some calm belts and Yonkou territory, else all the Yonkous would be pirate kings by now.

There's something mysterious and thus far unexplained that stops people getting to Raftel. Sure you can say "Well Whitebeard just doesn't want to go there" or something, but that's a bit lame. If you're a pirate and there's an ultimate treasure, why would you not want to at least see it? I've never gotten the "Shanks and Whitebeard aren't interested in the One Piece" rule, they're pirates of course they're interested.

The reason they aren't pirate kings is probably not because they have no desire, but rather they are unable to fill whatever criteria it is that allows you to enter Raftel.

I mean, it's not like every passing pirate looking for Skypeia can visit it. If you think about it and subtract Oda's obvious plot power, imagine how incredibly lucky the Strawhat's were in the first place to reach Skypeia and imagine a criteria 10x harder for Raftel.

Well, destiny not luck for the Strawhat's I guess...

 

[toxun]

It would have to be because Raftel is surrounded by whatever the force is that has Roger being the only man in (known) history to reach it. It's not just some calm belts and Yonkou territory, else all the Yonkous would be pirate kings by now.

There's something mysterious and thus far unexplained that stops people getting to Raftel. Sure you can say "Well Whitebeard just doesn't want to go there" or something, but that's a bit lame. If you're a pirate and there's an ultimate treasure, why would you not want to at least see it? I've never gotten the "Shanks and Whitebeard aren't interested in the One Piece" rule, they're pirates of course they're interested.

The reason they aren't pirate kings is probably not because they have no desire, but rather they are unable to fill whatever criteria it is that allows you to enter Raftel.

I mean, it's not like every passing pirate looking for Skypeia can visit it. If you think about it and subtract Oda's obvious plot power, imagine how incredibly lucky the Strawhat's were in the first place to reach Skypeia and imagine a criteria 10x harder for Raftel.

Well, destiny not luck for the Strawhat's I guess...

Shank reach Raftel when he's still Roger underling since the crew only disperse after they conquered the Grand Line. Talking about luck & fate, it's all One Piece all about, the struggle to reach your dream

 

[Diablos]

I seriously support the idea of Buggy becoming yonkou.. also matches what everyone says about a yonkou is not really all about their power but who they got with them, and Buggy sure has alot of though guys with him now XD..
Dont know about BlackBeard but I'm not seeing him taking part in this war..
WB will surelly die either in this war or shortly after it... Which brings me doubt... Ace is to most likely be the one replacing WB that's what I think but then Buggy would not become Yonkou so Im not quite sure about that, unless Shanks ends up killing the Yonkou he's fighting..
All I gotta say for now xD

 

[goldb]

Brook and Hancock are not tiny things, they are a crew member and a shichibukay. That's the first characters Oda should have think about when he made the scenario of one piece.

I was referring to character detail, not importance. It would be ignorant of me to say that Brook and Hancock are "small" characters.

@bittman: I agree with your comments. I for one thought that with WB's power he should be Pirate King and the fact that Shanks has been to Raftel before means he could possibly know the way there, but as you've rightly said there's something bigger than power at play here.

 

[BlackHair]

Shank reach Raftel when he's still Roger underling since the crew only disperse after they conquered the Grand Line. Talking about luck & fate, it's all One Piece all about, the struggle to reach your dream

It was said that Roger was the only man on Raftet. Whether the crew was included or not is unclear I guess. But I think it was only Roger.

 

[Fox666]

It would have to be because Raftel is surrounded by whatever the force is that has Roger being the only man in (known) history to reach it. It's not just some calm belts and Yonkou territory, else all the Yonkous would be pirate kings by now.

There's something mysterious and thus far unexplained that stops people getting to Raftel. Sure you can say "Well Whitebeard just doesn't want to go there" or something, but that's a bit lame. If you're a pirate and there's an ultimate treasure, why would you not want to at least see it? I've never gotten the "Shanks and Whitebeard aren't interested in the One Piece" rule, they're pirates of course they're interested.

The reason they aren't pirate kings is probably not because they have no desire, but rather they are unable to fill whatever criteria it is that allows you to enter Raftel.

I mean, it's not like every passing pirate looking for Skypeia can visit it. If you think about it and subtract Oda's obvious plot power, imagine how incredibly lucky the Strawhat's were in the first place to reach Skypeia and imagine a criteria 10x harder for Raftel.

Well, destiny not luck for the Strawhat's I guess...

But that somehow would mean everybody knows Raftel location.

I seriously support the idea of Buggy becoming yonkou.. also matches what everyone says about a yonkou is not really all about their power but who they got with them, and Buggy sure has alot of though guys with him now XD..

Yeah, I never though about that seriously, but now that you said it...

 

[Oni Giri]

i don't know how but Roger being the only one reach Raftel may be related to his mysterious ability to hear everything's voice.

 

[Blooper]

A lot of people keep wondering what will happen after the war, the world power will become unbalanced, either if the shichibukai break, or marineford... I wonder: what will happen if the Yonkous no longer exist? I mean, it's quite possible that either Shanks (less likely) or Kaidou (more likely) will fall in their battle, while the one who survives will be greatly weakened, WB might die or somehow not be as strong as before after the war... Which means only 1 of the Yonkous (the one who was never mentioned) will stand untouched... What could happen then? I'm asking this because i think Yonkous > than shichis and marines, so if they're disrupted, things'll get serious.

 

[beastboy]

Well I'm a supporter from the theory "Raftel is a sky Island" but I think it isn't just it..
Maybe its a special Island that is only there 20 sec to 20 sec.. So you need absolute right timing to jumo to it.. otherwise you lose.. And that was why Roger was alone.. to let is nakamas safe!!

 

[OdaisaGod]

Where was it ever said that Roger was the only one to ever reach Raftel? Yes it has been said numerous times that only Roger and his crew were able to complete the Grand Line trip but nothing has ever been said that Roger alone went to Raftel without his crew. In fact based on what Rayleigh said here and Robin's belief that the true history is located on Raftel I tend to think that everyone on Roger's crew was on Raftel.

To those that are wondering what might be so special about Raftel that none of the Yonkous seem to go there I have this idea. Only the D's are able to find the route to Raftel but if there are others on the crew they can come along also. Either that or all of the Yonkou have already been to Raftel and what they found there doesn't interest them anymore. In other words reaching Raftel does not necessarily mean that you are the Pirate King.

 

[NoLimit89]

It's very simple how Roger's crew reached Raftel but none of the other pirate crews (including Whitebeard) were able to. There's obviously something that Roger knew that the others didn't. What can it be??

THE POWER TO READ THE POLYGLYPHS!!!

I suspect that the way to reach Raftel is probably a dead end unless you can decifer the polyglyphs and find a secret way through. Maybe whitebeard wanted to make Ace PK because he thought that Ace might have inherited this ability to hear all things from Roger and hence be able to find the secret way to Raftel.

And of course, Luffy can become the PK because he has Robin!!!

 

[deffkryz]

Where was it ever said that Roger was the only one to ever reach Raftel? Yes it has been said numerous times that only Roger and his crew were able to complete the Grand Line trip but nothing has ever been said that Roger alone went to Raftel without his crew. In fact based on what Rayleigh said here and Robin's belief that the true history is located on Raftel I tend to think that everyone on Roger's crew was on Raftel.

--> Chapter 105, p.8 - Crocus said so. And he became part of Roger's crew twenty-five years ago. So he needs to know, doesn't he? :P

To those that are wondering what might be so special about Raftel that none of the Yonkous seem to go there I have this idea. Only the D's are able to find the route to Raftel but if there are others on the crew they can come along also. Either that or all of the Yonkou have already been to Raftel and what they found there doesn't interest them anymore. In other words reaching Raftel does not necessarily mean that you are the Pirate King.

Why should only the D.s be able to get to Raftel? That would already exclude all supernovae crews from Sabaody unless Oda hid a "D" in their names. Wouldn't that make the manga itself quite boring?

That island is simply special because it's the island wherein all magnetic routes of the Grand Line merge. That is all we know about that island: Oda didn't tell us where exactly that island is located. He never said why only Roger and his crew were able to get there - but apparently it's because most pirates die eventually on the Grand Line like Yohki, Brook and their mates.

 

[OdaisaGod]

--> Chapter 105, p.8 - Crocus said so. And he became part of Roger's crew twenty-five years ago. So he needs to know, doesn't he? :P

Thank you for proving my point for me. I was responding to several earlier posts that suggested that only Roger and NOT his crew ever went to Raftel. The page you gave actually proves the point I was making so thanks I was just too lazy to find it.

And no I don't necessarily think that if only D's can make it to Raftel that the manga would somehow become boring as a result. I also don't necessarily think that only D's can make it to Raftel but was rather offering a hypothesis that might explain why neither Whitebeard or Shanks has seemingly ever gone to Raftel.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

And he became part of Roger's crew twenty-five years ago.

Where was it said ? Knowing they conquered the GL in 3-4 years, that they met Crocus at the Twin Caps and that Roger has been executed one year after he has been named PK and it was 22 years ago : it should have been 26-27 years ago, no ?

That island is simply special because it's the island wherein all magnetic routes of the Grand Line merge. That is all we know about that island: Oda didn't tell us where exactly that island is located. He never said why only Roger and his crew were able to get there - but apparently it's because most pirates die eventually on the Grand Line like Yohki, Brook and their mates.

Fishman Island is the first island in the GL road wherein all magnetic roads merge and Rough Tale is the second one. So, Rough Tale is not special or legendary because of that : it is rather because this is the last island on the GL journey.
According to the map when Crocus talked about it, Rough Tale is before the Reverse Mountain.

 

[Akainu]

yh, those maps are quite some interesting stuff. I accidently stumbled upon some pretty exact maps Oda drew, in the 10th treasure special, which shows all of their journey up to W7. I wouldn't take that for granted though, as the place where AL should be and ID too is somehow covered by a huge island connecting GL and one of the blues.

 

[k-dom]

After Vivi joined the crew, she said that the climat just after reverse mountain was harsh because of all the magnetic fields put together, maybe it is similar (or worse) in the end of grand line. That would explain what it is difficult to reach it.