One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 2nd Chapter

[ScratchmenApoo]

For humans... If they are thrown in water, it makes them unable to move a limb, but they are fully conscious, the rest is the work of gravity as they drown. We've seen Luffy's example that their DF power does not go away so... A ship is built to float on the sea, it shouldn't matter if it's a Devil Fruit or not. I myself don't support the Battleship Devil Fruit theory but this it the most logical solution I've found.

 

[sarutobi_sensei]

Now that would be awesome. Lets imagine that the 10th friend is neither Boa or Jinbei and it's Sunny itself xD

now, where are my spoilers? ^^

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

For humans... If they are thrown in water, it makes them unable to move a limb, but they are fully conscious, the rest is the work of gravity as they drown. We've seen Luffy's example that their DF power does not go away so... A ship is built to float on the sea, it shouldn't matter if it's a Devil Fruit or not. I myself don't support the Battleship Devil Fruit theory but this it the most logical solution I've found.

i agree that it would float but a ship which cant move is usless

 

[coqui018]

if anything ate the mera mera fruit i would want it to be a bird of some sort that way we would have a really fire bird instead of a guy who turns into one, plus it would be different from what we have seen so far (an animal logia) and it would also be a good way to remove the fruit from the line up as well as the possibility of some one else getting it and being in a sense another ace. also luffy can name it ace and keep it around like a memento that ace is still watching over him.

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

A ship usually has sails which are powered by wind. Or it can be a paddleship... or a row ship... Or a motorboat... the're are lots of possibilities. Just because the user can't move, doesn't mean he can't be moved.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

A ship usually has sails which are powered by wind. Or it can be a paddleship... or a row ship... Or a motorboat... the're are lots of possibilities. Just because the user can't move, doesn't mean he can't be moved.

i agree on the wind but a ship as a whole it would suffer the effect of a DF so a paddle ship is unlikely to move as well .
i think now its clear in my head a ship can maintain its original function in the sea regardless if it has a DF or not but the ability can only be used outside .
now san juan wolf is actually a ship which obtained a df of some sort like a giant fruit .

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

Really, I don't support the battleship fruit theory either, i was just trying to make logic out of it. Truth is, it is completely useless when you are on the ground. Thatswhy there will never be a fruit like that. There are no useless Devil Fruits, except maybe in anime fillers.

 

[Twar]

Sure there are, it's all part of the gamble of eating one. You could be left with a silly party trick and no way to swim for the rest of your life (read way back in the SBS section, also noted when Califa and Kaku got their DFs).
I have no opinion on the battleship fruit, though. Doesn't sound very exciting to me, even though there have been multiple fruits of the sort in the story so far (Capone Bege's body is a fortress, Warpol's is a factory etc).

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

There aren't any fruits that are useless. All of the fruits Oda has shown us have strong effects if the user masters it. Kaku was only a few hours in his new body, yet he could do massive attacks infusing his rokushiki with the giraffe form. Being able to turn into a battleship is very useless in combat, he would be better off staying in giant form. Capone and Wapol are different : Capone has the ability to change object/person sizes from small to big or vice versa around his effect-area and also store them inside of his body. Wapol has the power to eat anything and combining them into something new is just an additional technique. They aren't really anything like turning into 1 specific object.
All in all, Oda won't go as low as to make a battleship fruit, it's just too ridicilous.

 

[Marche]

I don't think than SJ was a ship.
In fact this thing (the fact than also "thing/object" can ate DF only recently was discovery by Vegapunk (recently I intend "few years") but SJ was a pirates of the "old era".

 

[hhv94]

Aren't there any new spoilers for OP this week? I know last week the author took a break. If there is a new chapter I'm surprised there are no spoilers out yet.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

There aren't any fruits that are useless. All of the fruits Oda has shown us have strong effects if the user masters it. Kaku was only a few hours in his new body, yet he could do massive attacks infusing his rokushiki with the giraffe form. Being able to turn into a battleship is very useless in combat, he would be better off staying in giant form. Capone and Wapol are different : Capone has the ability to change object/person sizes from small to big or vice versa around his effect-area and also store them inside of his body. Wapol has the power to eat anything and combining them into something new is just an additional technique. They aren't really anything like turning into 1 specific object.
All in all, Oda won't go as low as to make a battleship fruit, it's just too ridicilous.

im saying that san juan wolf is originaly a battle ship given his name colossal battleship and that ship had a DF a giant probably which allowed him to have senses like chopper .

 

[urlaub]

yeah it's a good idea, a battleship eating a giant fruit. That way he returns into a battleship while on water. But mmmm, why did he become so big when eating the giant giant no mi? Was the original ship the size of thriller bark? This could explain it. But maybe he turned into a giant comparing to the size of a battleship?

I am certain that this has been discussed big time, I am just lazy and didn't keep up. Inanimate things eating zoan fruits? What was the answer to this? There are things which have eaten zoan fruits, but eating an intelligent zoan fruit, that can think and speak in some level. And wasn't Vegapunk the only one who could do such stuff?

 

[yellowblue]

If there is such a thing as a ship eating DF it should be done with Merry instead of making another ship with solid specs. Although they can resurrect Merry later by using DF, I think the chance of it from happening is very slim.

 

[ZenoArmani]

So far, we've seen no examples of anything than zoans being implanted into objects. It makes sense because animals have instincts of their own. That's probably what those awakened zoans are. The animal rules instead of a man.

Weren't that cannon-dog and the elephant-sword supposed to be object implanted with devil-fruits? It doesn't make any sense of course, but I read it as an author joke.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

yeah it's a good idea, a battleship eating a giant fruit. That way he returns into a battleship while on water. But mmmm, why did he become so big when eating the giant giant no mi? Was the original ship the size of thriller bark? This could explain it. But maybe he turned into a giant comparing to the size of a battleship?

I am certain that this has been discussed big time, I am just lazy and didn't keep up. Inanimate things eating zoan fruits? What was the answer to this? There are things which have eaten zoan fruits, but eating an intelligent zoan fruit, that can think and speak in some level. And wasn't Vegapunk the only one who could do such stuff?

CP 9's leader had a sword who got a zoan fruit . it could be the case here

 

[panasit]

battleship eating a devil fruit sounds cool, but then it would have to contact the sea which cancels the power of Devil Fruit somewhat (this can be debate, but I don't want to. I do know that there are people that partial submerge in the water and use devil fruit all the time in the manga). But if that happens I don't think it would be a person eating a devil fruit, I'm thinking of a ship that eats a devil fruit would make more sense. This, not relating to the ability of the guys anyway.

Honestly, I'm stick and tired of fruit users. Straw-hat has powerful guys on their crew that doesn't have devil fruit ability. Zoro, Sanji, and Franky don't have devil fruit power. Where are these people on the enemy side. We need more people like Garp and Momonga who are just simply strong through training. I don't know what Sengokou has, I don't know if it's a devil fruit power, but I really hope it isn't.
When i see devil fruit fighting with devil fruit, especially in this war, it's a lot less strategy and more power against power. It's more fun when one side doesn't have the ability (Zoro vs Kaku) or neither side has the ability (Zoro vs the Zombie Samurai for example). Okay, so for every arc I just like Zoro's fight. But that's partly because he doesn't have any power.

Like with Rayleigh, Mihawk, or Sentoumaru fight and they don't have Devil Fruit, in a way it makes them more interesting (unless Mihawk ate some sort hawk zoan fruit or something that gave him enhance sight but it was never mentioned)

I hope Shiryuu doesn't have devil fruit power also. If he's just a guy who is really good at his sword, that will be enough for me. And in a way, that makes him scarier.

 

[Razh]

Weren't that cannon-dog and the elephant-sword supposed to be object implanted with devil-fruits? It doesn't make any sense of course, but I read it as an author joke.

It seems that you missed it in the part that you quoted so I'll repeat with bigger letters. The gun and the sword were implanted with ZOAN devil fruits. So far, we haven't seen any object with logia or paramecia fruit. Nor we have seen any bigger object with devil fruit power.

Seriously, I can't believe how many people think that Sunny having a devil fruit would be awesome.

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

I don't see how a Giant is an animal. It's just a different kind of human but definitely not animal. Also, all the objects that we're 'given' a Devil Fruit have some part of their body resembling the original product. I see no indications of a battleship on San Juan. Adding up : the objects given the Devil Fruit can't talk since they're not human but instead object+animal. They can listen to commands like Spandam's elephant sword, but they can't reply. San Juan was talking quite a bit.
EDIT : I don't see how anyone without a fruit in the Strawhat Crew would look cooler with a fruit -.- Even more, I don't understand why they count Thousand Sunny as a member of their crew, it's just a ship...

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

yeah it's a good idea, a battleship eating a giant fruit. That way he returns into a battleship while on water. But mmmm, why did he become so big when eating the giant giant no mi? Was the original ship the size of thriller bark? This could explain it. But maybe he turned into a giant comparing to the size of a battleship?

I am certain that this has been discussed big time, I am just lazy and didn't keep up. Inanimate things eating zoan fruits? What was the answer to this? There are things which have eaten zoan fruits, but eating an intelligent zoan fruit, that can think and speak in some level. And wasn't Vegapunk the only one who could do such stuff?

it was a realy big ship then got a giant fruit which made it even bigger .
but ofcourse this just speculations .