One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 2nd Chapter

[karthikmurs]

When I first read it I thought it meant BB has lived twice as long as Ace so he should know better, but reading it now, especially after recent events, I think it may have a different meaning... It's like the Luffy and Zoro "it's not him, it's they" comment, it might just be the normal meaning or it might be more...

Actually, there was this speculation about BB being "Three person" in one. There is that mysterious "three" associated with him. His flag has three skulls and three bones as opposed to standard two. He already has Logia and Paramecia powers.. Its a very reasonable speculation that he is looking for a Zoan type now.. Completing the "three" mystery..

P.S: Its speculation.. And a good one too.. And am not the one who started speculation.. I just happen to agree on this, after noticing somethings myself..

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

Question is... What kind of Zoan would suit him ? If Marco dies and Blackbeard takes his powers, it would make him too ridicilously strong - Oda wouldn't do that. But I don't think Blackbeard can take more than 2 curses... I'm thinking of the "all three" theory to be Normal Marshall D. Teach (The one giving Luffy the speech at Mocktown), Yami Yami no Teach & Gura Gura no Teach...

 

[karthikmurs]

Question is... What kind of Zoan would suit him ?

Honestly, I was thinking Zoan types were pathetic, especially after seeing Drake get pwned so easily.. But after I saw Marco, my opinion changed. Now, I do feel there are some awesome Zoan types.. But, your question of which one suits him best, I can't guess.. Because, I simpoly don't know to what extent Zoans hold the power.. Again, its only after I saw Marco that I was convinced that any other type apart from Logia are immune to "harm".

Although, I feel that the "need" for one type to be able to fill in the defects in the other is NOT a criterion. I feel he will not be able to combine the two DF powers... So practically, any Zoan type he feels is good is a potential candidate..

 

[Poneglyph420]

I'm thinking he either has a Voodoo Voodoo no Mi (a paramecia) which would explain all his Voodoo like powers (Voodoo dolls, future telling and Devil Conquering Phase) or that he ate a Voodoo Priest Zoan and the Devil COnquering Phase is his full-beast transformation and his hybrid just looks regular but gives him some of a Voodoo Priest's powers which sounds a little weird but if there's a Buddha Zoan why not a Voodoo Priest one. I don't really buy the whole Straw Straw no Mi as that would probably make him into a Logia or he would like shoot pieces of straw like needles not allow him to transfer damage via Voodoo Dolls. But I think the Wara Ningyo is what he has, I also believe he can like get a piece of hair or something from his enemy and use one of his nails to kill the person by stabbing the doll. Yes, yes I am a fanboy.

Why would a Wara Wara no mi be Logia??
Is Gomu Gomu... or Supa Supa Logia..??
Straw wouldn't be "elemental" IMO.

Since voodoo is a blanket term for animism, it's unlikely it's a fruit.
But maybe you're right...

Just Wara ningen or "strawman" fits with the previously used fruits...

 

[MokiSenpai]

Hm, there are a lot of threes around Blackbeard Maybe he could obtain a cerberus zoan power

And yes, the mythical zoan fruits are expanded the power varieties width. I tried to read about japanese mythical beast, and there are a lot of crazy beings out there, but i can't learn anything about their "powers". So i guess Oda wanted to give himself a little bit freedom, if it comes to fruit powers.

Oh, and i bet my sweet arse that Dragon ate the Dragon zoan fruit.

 

[karthikmurs]

About Blackbeard.

Hey guys.

There is a speculation about Blackbeard being a more than one person in a single body.. At first, I hated the idea. But slowly started to support that. I started noticing few weird things to support that.

And now, am not sure if anyone has noticed this, but did you check out that the number of "broken teeth" on BB keeps changing? Look at these..

1. http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/576-65/6
Here he has four broken teeth.

2. http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/577-69/15
Here he has three.

3. http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/577-69/13
The last panel (the left most bottom), he has only one broken teeth on the upper line. So that makes 2 OR 4 broken teeth. I'd side with two.

Mind you, all these variations are within the last couple of chapters. I have a strong feeling that this has something to do with the famous "three" association with Blackbeard (three skulls and three bones).
Three bodies - three genre of Devil fruits, Luffy saying it was "they" when he refers to BB on Jaya - all these stuffs are coming back at me again.
I feel he has 2,3 and 4 missing teeth at different points. Again three.

Not sure guys. Just noticed this, so thought I will post this.

EDIT: Oh btw, (thanks Uriel) I don't think Oda is making mistakes here (even in Anime, we can see this variation).

 

[Uriel]

GREAT sight. Actually, I would never notice something like that.

And seems...that everything fits. Let me go further:
1. One Missing Up: Gura Gura No Mi
2. Two Missing Up, One Missing Down: Yami Yami No Mi
3. Two Missing Up; Two Missing Down: Unkwnon.

Although it has its flaws (I'm pretty sure that the third form I saw it using the Yami as well) seems somewhat coherent.
Unless Oda is just drawing it different every time unconsciously...which I doubt. A good question for SBS.

 

[deffkryz]

Re: About Blackbeard.

@karthikmurs: Damn, I knew there was something odd with his face - but I was mislead by his expression and didn't go for his teeth...

 

[Razh]

I thought about that, but it's too much of a stretch. Unless you work on that idea a little more. All you have is - Blackbeard could be more than one person because the teeth aren't the same each time. But how does it work? How does he change bodies? Did he have another devil fruit to begin with? If he's pulling it all our, there has to be another devil fruit.
We did see him being able to use quake and darkness at the same time. That kinda negates the idea of different body, different devil fruit.

Personally, I think Oda is deliberately careless in this situation. He was caught off guard several times in SBS and then thought out of an explanation on the spot. I think it's one of those silly things that Oda likes to do.
I could be wrong, but I don't think the teeth are that important aside from showing that Blackbeard likes to eat pies a lot and doesn't brush his teeth.

 

[c0nflikt]

I think that because of the yami fruit that his insides are a void or a blackhole, and that is why he can't become his element, and seeing as his insides are not organic he can hold anything within even devil fruits.

 

[tOkIzZz]

I read this theory in the other site

might as well post it here


I think I just came up with a decent theory (I hope atleast)

remember when luffy,zoro and nami first met BB,nami said the 'he' (BB) could have some informations about Sky Island,and luffy said its not 'he' its 'they' (same said zoro later).It was weird at that time because how could they (zoro and luffy) know that he has companions there in jaya (it would make sense if they figured out that BB has more bodys inside him,lol,maybe not that but something among those lines)
One Piece 225 page 17 | One Manga

another thing that might back-up this theory is BBs flag,its a triplet/three headed (maybe indicating that he has more bodys inside him,again lol,atleast something among those lines)
One Piece 235 page 10 | One Manga

I'm taking this even further
the scar on shanks that he got from BB looks like a claw injury,so maybe BB ate a zoan DF before possibly a Cereberus zoan (because of the 3 heads on his flag) and scared shanks with it.
This goes even deeper.Because of the Cereberus zoan BB could still eat 2 DFs (because the cereberus has 3 heads which could allow him to eat 3 DFs.First head would be for the cereberus zoan normally,second and third had can allow him to eat 2 more DFs,later yami and gura).He had in mind 2 specific DFs,the yami-yami no mi (darkness) and the gura gura no mi (earthquake).Because the gura gura no mi was already taken he needed the yami yami no mi to extract WBs DF (lets asumme it has the ability to do that)
meh the cereberus thing is most likely just BS

 

[Isto]

Maybe BB just have good dentist

I think luffy calling bb "they" thing was like this:

Luffy saw bb's nakamas around the island and i think he said "ah those guys" not "they". So i think he preferred to bb pirates not bb. This is how i remember it, might be that it's a different page / line.

And maybe luffy meant it's not he its they, it's not bb its bb pirates. Maybe we would need a raw and someone who understands japanese to clear this out.

That injury on shanks could have been done by strong nails. You can do that quite easily if you eat lot's of vitamine D to strenghten your nails. Then scratch someone really fast, he will get scars. And in one piece there are many things that won't work in real life like that bullet finger thing, so why not nails that are many times stronger than real life nails.

Also there are weapons like claws, those cat pirates had that kura or kuro or something. And also if you break a bottle and hit someone with it it could scratch like that if it broke leaving three spikes or something.

 

[OunknownO]

I read this theory in the other site

might as well post it here


I think I just came up with a decent theory (I hope atleast)

remember when luffy,zoro and nami first met BB,nami said the 'he' (BB) could have some informations about Sky Island,and luffy said its not 'he' its 'they' (same said zoro later).It was weird at that time because how could they (zoro and luffy) know that he has companions there in jaya (it would make sense if they figured out that BB has more bodys inside him,lol,maybe not that but something among those lines)
One Piece 225 page 17 | One Manga

another thing that might back-up this theory is BBs flag,its a triplet/three headed (maybe indicating that he has more bodys inside him,again lol,atleast something among those lines)
One Piece 235 page 10 | One Manga

I'm taking this even further
the scar on shanks that he got from BB looks like a claw injury,so maybe BB ate a zoan DF before possibly a Cereberus zoan (because of the 3 heads on his flag) and scared shanks with it.
This goes even deeper.Because of the Cereberus zoan BB could still eat 2 DFs (because the cereberus has 3 heads which could allow him to eat 3 DFs.First head would be for the cereberus zoan normally,second and third had can allow him to eat 2 more DFs,later yami and gura).He had in mind 2 specific DFs,the yami-yami no mi (darkness) and the gura gura no mi (earthquake).Because the gura gura no mi was already taken he needed the yami yami no mi to extract WBs DF (lets asumme it has the ability to do that)
meh the cereberus thing is most likely just BS

no he said that bb gave him that wound before he ate the devil fruit


PS. how much usage of reject dial could wb stand.... I think about 10 000 times

 

[goldb]

no he said that bb gave him that wound before he ate the devil fruit


PS. how much usage of reject dial could wb stand.... I think about 10 000 times

The reject dial itself would feel pain from being used by WB .
btw, the stuff about BB's teeth had been discussed ages ago and imo I think it's just mistakes by Oda and that we shouldn't read too much into it. Otherwise we would make a theory about everything. I think there was even a panel where he drew Luffy's hat twice, one where Zoro was wearing his swords on the opposite side. It's like the thing with WB's scars...

 

[Isto]

No, endless. He uses reject dials as a massage machine

 

[GomuGomuNoBigBoner]

maybe BB has in fact eaten up thatch, that's why he's capable of using more than one devil fruit!

 

[WinningDays]

Ace just said that Blackbeard is in his 40's, while he is in his 20's.
Luffy and Zoro realised that Teech had a crew and avoided him because he looked dangerous.
Oda was preparing us to see Blackbeard's crew, that's why ''they'', doesn't refer to Blakberad's brother or whaterver sick you have thought.

I know... I just meant it could be taken another way...
And I know Luffy and Zoro may have been referring to BB's crew, they probably were...but it would be more interesting (for me) if Luffy and Zoro could tell something was weird with BB... but I wouldn't mind if it was just about his crew or Ace and BB's age difference; and I never had any thoughts about BB having a brother or anything... But anyways, Marco said something about BB's body being different so I was just wondering if all these other things are connected or coincidence... especially because the words were emphasized in the Japanese version at least... well, I just want there to be some hidden meaning in the words, but I don't really have any ideas about it other than, "There has to be something wrong with Blackbeard!!!" leaning slightly towards him having multiple bodies or personalities or lives or something... it's possible...

Edit: hmm... is it such a bad idea for Luffy and Zoro to not be talking about BB's crew??
from the first time I read that line I thought it was about BB himself, and I never once thought it was about the crew until someone else mentioned it... hmm... well, I guess since all the members were introduced separately it's kind of an interesting development for all of them to be in the same crew... I just thought, "Ahh, they're all together... I see..." so it wasn't that important to me but maybe that's all there is to it...

 

[karthikmurs]

the scar on shanks that he got from BB looks like a claw injury,so maybe BB ate a zoan DF before possibly a Cereberus zoan (because of the 3 heads on his flag) and scared shanks with it.
This goes even deeper.Because of the Cereberus zoan BB could still eat 2 DFs (because the cereberus has 3 heads which could allow him to eat 3 DFs.

Hmm.. Nice speculation I must say.. Very probable. But if you have noticed, BB's character is very peculiar basically. He is all freaked out and looks like he is ready to piss in his pants and then, "boom". Suddenly he starts acting all mighty.. I have seen this a couple of times (the recent fight and fight with Ace. It might not be clear in Manga, but in Anime, it is)

@Topic..

And yet again, I noticed this.. Same teeth thingie..

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/225/15/

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/225/11/

Very very intriguing.. I am pretty sure Oda is not making these mistakes. Again, here you can see his facial expression changes (his eyes especially)

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Luffy saw bb's nakamas around the island and i think he said "ah those guys" not "they". So i think he preferred to bb pirates not bb. This is how i remember it, might be that it's a different page / line.

Nope. see how the conversation goes.

Nami: May be "He" knew how to get to sky island. who is "he"?

Luffy: No idea.. And its not "he".

Nami: ...

Zorro: Its "they". Probably.

If Nami was talking about BB in particular, why would luffy bring up his team? Its obvious he was talking about BB alone..

 

[Isto]

Luffy still might have meant the crew. And thats translated text anyway, not the original. Maybe luffy wanted to highlight to nami that it's a pirate group of many, not just one random guy.

You did not type the whole conversation, after that nami asked "so that guy got companions, where?" So i think it's pretty clear that they meant his crew.

That tooth thing still is odd. Instant dentist guy.

 

[RezzieThaRapper]

I agree with the theory of Blackbeard being three people through the cerberus mythical zoan fruit.

BUT even though I think he had it during the Shanks fight, I'm not sure if actually used it then... hold on I've got more on this one


If he does have it, then I think that it will be revealed either at the next big event... like a fight with Luffy's Crew or even the current fight with Sengoku

If Teach in fact does have the Cerb fruit, why is he so delayed in using...
Could it mean that he risk neutralizing the effects of the Yami & Gura

................................................................................................not done yet..................................


I think that Teach has always had the fruit since before he joined the whitebeard pirates, and has never used it in front of them, (this could be the tactical side of teach we've seen)

Now back to Shanks V. Blackbeard, I think Blackbeard has full control over the Zoan, sorta like Marco, but to an even greater extent, where he could only summon the claws of the Cerb...

I also think that a scratch or bite from Cerb is truly cursed, and will leave a permanent scar that will from time to time burn with pain when Teach plans something devious, which would explain why the scar was hurting on shanks when he was talking about Teach and Ace....

I'm done now

EDIT: I also don't think Shanks noticed it (the Cerb fruit) just some clarification incase it was brought up later