One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 2nd Chapter

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Actually i'm kinda curious what shanks would have done had he gotten there before ace died. if ace was on the execution platform still, would shanks have still just told everyone to go home?
Obviously not, that'd be stupid to tell the pirates to leave whilst Ace could still be saved. He showed up to stop the war from escalating to unnecessary bloodshed; the pirates had failed in their mission and not only lost Ace, but their captain and suffered many other injuries and casualities. There's was nothing keeping them there but anger and wanting revenge. Shanks jsut showed up to make sure the pirates got away and get Ace and WB's bodies.
 

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Has anyone seen the latest anime version (446)?
There's a scene at 17:07 in which Ace claims Blackbeard to have "lived twice as long as other's". Couldn't find that specific line in the manga.. so, any suggestions on whether it's got a deeper meaning or is it just a rough translation for BB being twice as old as Ace?
 

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Has anyone seen the latest anime version (446)?
There's a scene at 17:07 in which Ace claims Blackbeard to have "lived twice as long as other's". Couldn't find that specific line in the manga.. so, any suggestions on whether it's got a deeper meaning or is it just a rough translation for BB being twice as old as Ace?
Well it's the anime and shouldn't count, unless you can find it in the manga. Maybe try look again?
 

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Has anyone seen the latest anime version (446)?
There's a scene at 17:07 in which Ace claims Blackbeard to have "lived twice as long as other's". Couldn't find that specific line in the manga.. so, any suggestions on whether it's got a deeper meaning or is it just a rough translation for BB being twice as old as Ace?
Well I don't know about that particular phrasing but I know that somehwere in the manga Ace remarks to BB that he's lived twice as long as he(Ace) has. So I think the anime may have gotten that one wrong or something, I hope someone around here can find the chapter I'm talking about here, it may be chapter 0 or during their duel on Banaro Island, I'm in a bit of a hurry so I can't look myself.
 

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Sorry for disrupting the flow of the conversation, but I just felt like making a few observations. I've been rereading old chapters and I just felt like sharing my opinions and hearing others' take on them.

Ace. More specifically, the Mera Mera no Mi. We know that Ace was strong for a number of reasons. Luffy could never beat him even before he ate the Mera Mera no Mi, he was able to fight Jinbei to a 5 day long deadlock (despite the fact that Jinbei's water attacks are his weakness), and probably most impressive is that WB himself acknowledged Ace's strength enough to grant him the honour of commanding his 2nd division. His name was known and feared all across the Grand Line. Oh, and let's not forget that he was offered a position in the Shichibukai even before he fought Jinbei and joined the WB pirates.

But what do you guys really think of his strength? Me, I'm not too sure. I'm starting to think that the Mera Mera no Mi is a very underpowered Logia. Apparantly, Akainu's lava is hotter than Ace's flames, even though in real life, red/orange/yellow flames (which is the category in which Ace's flame falls) at their maximum temperature, is hotter than the maximum temperature of lava.

*I can't find the sources that support this but I remember reading about it in the chapter discussion thread for the chapter Akainu attacked Ace.

Also, Ace's flame is equal in power to Aokiji's ice, whereas Akainu's lava instantly evaporates the ice. Basically, comparing the Mera Mera to other logias like the Goro Goro, Yami Yami etc, it seems the flame isn't too impressive. Even the Mogu Mogu no Mi (Smoker) is equal to it, and lets face it, the smoke logia is definitely weaker than the more destructive elementals.

I just think it's an injustice, since controlling fire should be one of the most badass powers around. I'm NOT saying it's a weak power, there's plenty of evidence that it's strong, but it seems to be lower to middle rank in terms of logias, and I think it should be higher.

Basco Shot. His nose. It looks like Ussop's. Anyone wanna comment on that? Granted, it's a lot thicker, while approximately the same length, but still, Ussop used to have a really unique nose, and now, one of the strongest pirates in the world on one of the strongest crews in the world has the same nose. Foreshadowing something? Is he Ussop's long lost grandpa? Is piracy in his blood? Will Ussop be facing him instead of Van Auger?

I know that last paragraph was irrelevent but I noticed the nose and my mind went wild.
 

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Ace... Wow that's tough. So first off the Mera Mera no Mi. Well I do think it's one of the more powerful Logias and that Akainu was really like Luffy fighting Enel. And we know the Goro Goro is badass.. I also think Ace pretty much had Mastery of his DF. Just the display on Banaro was amazing. I personally think Ace was strong. IMO Ace's weakness was never his Ability or DF, it was his heart. He was sentimental, and carried a heavy burden internally. And he cherished Luffy as a brother. In the end passion ruled over his power..
Otherwise I think Ace was really designed to serve the martyr role he has fulfilled.

I do agree that I wish we saw more of Ace and what gave him his reputation..
It's a shame we only saw such brief glances...
 

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Let's imagine a fight between Ace and Akainu. Any attack Ace would throw towards him would'nt be able to harm him, as it wouldn't change the lava. More or less fluid lava, is still lava. -> Ace had no chance from the beginning of the fight.

I think you are understimating Smoker. Would he be able to get even a little bit of his smoke inside his enemy, he would be able to choke them to death. With the rise of the marines after the war, Smoker will definitly continue to pursue Luffy and his crew into the New World.
 

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Speking sbout Smoker, I just had a vison of a possible future... How about for Smoker as Admiral "Shirohebi"? That would fit him quite well right? :).

Also, Whitesnake was quite a badass Stand in JoJo Stone Ocean, now that I think about it :D.
 

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Not that anything speaks against it, but Smoker hasn't even achieved to gain the rank of a Vice-Admiral, so it's unlikely. It wouldn't allow him to follow Luffy too, being and admiral he would have other things to take care, just as shown in the Strong World chapter with Garp. The title would be nice though.
 

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Well IMO regardless of what rank Smoker is given he will persue the SH and Luffy again. It's his deeper purpose.. nothing will stop him from chasing down Luffy. Especially if we look at Smoker as the analog to Garp. If he were to be given a rank it would be Rear Admiral or VA not Admiral IMO.

And I guess Smoker is cool enough a name, ShiroHebi is amusing however. :amuse

IMO Smoker is far more dangerous then let on.....
 

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I think Smoker will get a promotion now, I'm thinking Rear Admiral cos I'm not sure he's not ready to be an VA.
 

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And actually skip a rank?
yea know, but he will want to pursue luffy and i think sengoku will grant him the title. smoker is stronger than most of the VA we have seen in action. luffy was holding his own against 2 VA and he was messed up.
 

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if moria dies then his crew is likely to disband i wonder what will happen to it maybe perona will stick around with zoro for a while maybe join luffy .
 

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yea know, but he will want to pursue luffy and i think sengoku will grant him the title. smoker is stronger than most of the VA we have seen in action. luffy was holding his own against 2 VA and he was messed up.
Since Smoker and Luffy are played out like Roger and Garp, then I think too that it is inevitable that Smoker's rank must go higher. But I don't know if pursuing Luffy will necessary mean higher title. Still many casualities in the war, perhaps for that reason new title is coming up. Who knows. Smokers independent reasoning about justice in one of the latest chapters is also making me very curious.
 

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But what do you guys really think of his strength? Me, I'm not too sure. I'm starting to think that the Mera Mera no Mi is a very underpowered Logia. Apparantly, Akainu's lava is hotter than Ace's flames, even though in real life, red/orange/yellow flames (which is the category in which Ace's flame falls) at their maximum temperature, is hotter than the maximum temperature of lava.

*I can't find the sources that support this but I remember reading about it in the chapter discussion thread for the chapter Akainu attacked Ace.

Also, Ace's flame is equal in power to Aokiji's ice, whereas Akainu's lava instantly evaporates the ice. Basically, comparing the Mera Mera to other logias like the Goro Goro, Yami Yami etc, it seems the flame isn't too impressive. Even the Mogu Mogu no Mi (Smoker) is equal to it, and lets face it, the smoke logia is definitely weaker than the more destructive elementals.
Well, I personally think the only reason that Ace was burnt by Akainu was because he couldn't turn into fire or else Akainu's fist would've passed through him and hit Luffy.

And also don't remember any mention fo Ace's power being equal to Aokiji's?
 

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Well, I personally think the only reason that Ace was burnt by Akainu was because he couldn't turn into fire or else Akainu's fist would've passed through him and hit Luffy.
That was indeed one of the reasons Akainu was able to fatally wound Ace, but Akainu is actually also able to bypass Ace's intangibility because, as he states, magma can "burn flame up" (scientifically inaccurate). For further details see here.

And also don't remember any mention fo Ace's power being equal to Aokiji's?
In terms of Devil Fruits, Ace and Aokiji are potentially equal in power. The actual difference lies in the degree in which they have mastered the Devil Fruit's powers and of course fighting instincts which I expect Aokiji (being an Admiral) would be superior in.

Ace was severely weakened after the battle with Blackbeard and was not able to fully recover in Impel Down. He was also wearing the seastone handcuffs (which drain the energy of Devil Fruit users) for a long time. Ace is not weak, he was just not at full strength which made him vulnerable to powerful attacks.
 
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if moria dies then his crew is likely to disband i wonder what will happen to it maybe perona will stick around with zoro for a while maybe join luffy .
That is possible.

as I posted before

killing Moria off is blocking Perona's current option(on Kuraigana Island, she wished she was back on Thriller Bark and was seen crying to rejoin Moria), now we all know that Thriller Bark is mostly destroyed and Moria is close to his end.

the possibilty of Perona to joins Straw Hat Pirates is increasing.
 

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That is possible.

as I posted before

killing Moria off is blocking Perona's current option(on Kuraigana Island, she wished she was back on Thriller Bark and was seen crying to rejoin Moria), now we all know that Thriller Bark is mostly destroyed and Moria is close to his end.

the possibilty of Perona to joins Straw Hat Pirates is increasing.
More and more people think that perona will probably become a mugiwara.... In the begining there were just I and someother guy who said that.... I think she i s a mugiwara material... It would be cool to see her as strawhat, she and somebody from fishman island will join and that will be 10 crewmates(if we don't count Luffy)
 
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More and more people think that perona will probably become a mugiwara.... In the begining there were just I and someother guy who said that.... I think she i s a mugiwara material... It would be cool to see her as strawhat, she and somebody from fishman island will join and that will be 10 crewmates(if we don't count Luffy)
in the begining there were just I and someother guy who said that---well, ever since chapter 524 being release, I started to realize it is possible that she can become one of SH's crew

It is all up to Mr Oda now.

there are some facts to support her to join the SH team

last year I read an article about analysising the possibility of Perona to join the Straw Hat Pirates(pity it is written in chinese)

The article presents many undeniable facts ,here are some of them

those treasure of Thriller Bark which Perona loves,those personal property which belongs to Perona including cloths are still aboard the Thousand Sunny

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Up until now every memember of Straw Hat Pirates has their own Jolly Roger

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/File:Zoroflag.png
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/File:Brookroger.png
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sanji_flag.png
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/File:Robin_flag.png
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/File:Chopperflag.png
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/File:Frankyflag1.png
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/File:Namiflag.png
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/File:Usopp_flag.png


As for Perona's Jolly Roger ,it appears on one of her top wearing by Nami

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/File:Nami.jpg

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The long range reconnaissance ability posses by Perona, no Straw Hat Pirates is capable of that (not even Robin),her scout ghost can reach those place far beyond sightline.

case 1,Luffy open the barrel(spring the trap), a Red Light shoots out of it and into the sky

shortly after that , Perona's scout appears behind Zoro and Chopper (chapter 442 page 11) , at that time Thriller Bark is not even in the eye sight yet.

case 2, on Thriller Bark(an "island" with big area),Perona's scout(including herself)can fly all over the land and keep long distance from her mortal fresh .

A Pirate ship need a scout ---that was part of her job when she works for Moria

On the other hand there are some other negative facts which against her to join SH team such as if she act all princessy and abuse one of her ability(negative ghost) when she is not happy

(the cure of those negative facts are make sure that lovely toddler-sized fur reindeer (Chopper) and her natural enemy Usopp aboard the ship. so perhaps She can be contained)
 
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