One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 2nd Chapter

[Freid]

I think the page you want is here:

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/570/02/

but i dont think whitebeard was gunna it use to save ace lol, i think just his gura gura no mi powers but he was hurting.

i always thought he was going to use his haki there aswel. but now that i think of it, he might have used his earthquake powers just the same. though i think it would be easier to use his haki than his earthquake fruit and chances of success may have been higher than if he used his quake fruit.. think of it. we havent been shown a way to stop a kings haki burst so far in the manga, yet there is always a way to stop a a devil fruit power. if wb used his earthquake fruit, an admiral could have stopped it or a shichibukai.

black lagoon, zoro having haki is definate. but i think it would be odd for zoro to have Gold roger's type of haki. they aint in anyway alike.. luffy most probably. but zoro??

 

[Fox666]

I think Whitebeard was very likely about to use it to save Ace when his illness prevented him. Fortunately, Luffy was there to use his own. That's why we did not see him making faint people.

Anyway, Fossa clearly said Whitebeard had Haōshoku Haki.

Yes, Whitebeard and Shanks were clear stated as such. But Whitebeard never made people faint. So that does not mean that the Whitebeard commanders can't faint people too.

That SBS proves at the maximum that Haoushoku is the only that can faint people unconsciousness.

 

[Freid]

i honestly dont understand why there is stil confusion about kings haki. it is obvious kings haki is making people faint. if you havent got kings haki you simply cant make people faint.. when luffy used it in kuja ireland, they immediately identified him making people faint as kings haki. all he had done at the time was make people faint. nothing else. this is the same when he used it in the war. all he did was make people faint and it was immediately identified as the kings haki. so why are people stil confused...... i know the haki posts are probably going to get deleted but seriously, its beyond me hw people stil think otherwise

 

[Schabrak]

Hakushou Haki

Yes, Whitebeard and Shanks were clear stated as such. But Whitebeard never made people faint. So that does not mean that the Whitebeard commanders can't faint people too.

That SBS proves at the maximum that Haoushoku is the only that can faint people unconsciousness.

What's you point? That his commander could have Hakushou Haki too? That Marco has it? We have no source to debate about it, so discussin would be pretty meaningless.

If WB would have used it, nobody would care, cause a Yonkou should be charismatic as HH users are. That factor of the Kings Haki is pretty useless in the NW anyway, even more in such a war with so many high level fighters, which are shown no to faint. The Whitebeard party were just lucky, that Sengoku used such weaklings for the execution.

Even thought Oda did especially state that HH users have the ability to make people faint, other Haki others should too? His SBS would be pointless if that was true.

 

[Fox666]

Re: Hakushou Haki

What's you point? That his commander could have Hakushou Haki too? That Marco has it? We have no source to debate about it, so discussin would be pretty meaningless.

My point is that the commanders not making people faint does not proves they can't do that. Because Whitebears surely can, and never did it in the war.

Even thought Oda did especially state that HH users have the ability to make people faint, other Haki others should too? His SBS would be pointless if that was true.

Well, does it NEED to be usefull?

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

That's right. It remains possible that not only Haōshoku Haki can make people faint.
Anyway, it is very likely that it is the only Haki that can do that since Luffy's Haki was considered Haōshoku Haki because he made people faint - in the Kuja Kingdom and in Marine Headquarters.
Besides, Shanks also had this ability and Fossa confirmed he had Haōshoku Haki.

It seems those who haven't mastered Haōshoku Haki must also shout to make people faint whereas the others - remember Shanks and Rayleigh - doesn't need to.

 

[Uriel]

I think that more than the effect itself they can identify which Haki is which by the feeling of the Haki itself.
Let me develop this:
If you give an order to stop, some people around you will stop for a second by the effect of the word. But it's not a permanent state and they will only hear if it's related to them somehow.
BUT if you are their boss (Or their king) and say "stop" people wont do anything else but that. The words are the same, but the feeling and the "behinds" are different.
Even being the same effect.

Did I explained well or I need to rephrase? >_>

 

[xPm]

i honestly dont understand why there is stil confusion about kings haki. it is obvious kings haki is making people faint. if you havent got kings haki you simply cant make people faint.. when luffy used it in kuja ireland, they immediately identified him making people faint as kings haki. all he had done at the time was make people faint.

And this is where you're wrong. What you SAW was luffy making people faint, thats true. BUT the characters present didn't look around to check whether people were fainting or not before claiming it was the king's haki.

When you read one piece, you only see the picture. The characters FEEL what's happening. And it could be that very feeling of having to obey that made them think it's the king disposition, and not just the fainting.


We just don't know how they identify the king's disposition. You don't know, I don't know, only Oda knows (and his team probably but whatever). Maybe the recognize it because people are fainting left and right, but maybe they recognize it because of that special sensation running through their body.


Fact is, we don't know exactly what king's haki can do versus regular haki. So please stop claiming facts that you just make up.


It's like saying roger's ability to hear everything is haki related. Maybe it is, but we just don't know, therefore it is nothing more than a THEORY.

 

[Fox666]

Oh yeah! Good you remembered that!

King Haki is the disposition to make people obey, not fainting people. Motobaro moved away (before fainting) as Luffy told him, Sandersonia put Marigold on floor as Luffy said, Ace executors stopped, etc.


And to note, the SBS at the maximum states that King Haki is the only one that faint people without control.

 

[xPm]

Regarding the SBS, what I understand is that King's haki is indeed the strongest and if you don't control it well it makes people faint left and right.

BUT that could also mean that it CAN be done with regular haki, but you have to be able to use it to its fullest extent.
Which would fit Rayleigh well (Pirate King's crew firstmate, and he's old. If he doesn't excel at it, I don't know who does)

And it would mean that King's haki is not the only one to make people faint (although it is the most efficient, we know that for sure)

 

[Izznoogood]

I wasent shure where to post this but i guess it will be removeed otherwise :P Also sorry to break the haki discussion.

But i had a crazy dream/prediction last night as to how the crew can get togheter again. The bases of this theory is that Kuma has the ability to send people away with pint point accuracy. Dosent he always ask where do you want to go on vacation? And every SH did land on an island and no one in the sea, and i guess there i a larger possebility to land in the water than any island.

I know this is far fetched but, if Kuma kan paw paw people away, you guys think he can do the same to himself? So if he arrives at SA he can possebly send one Flying fish rider to each SH and have them transport them back? To me that could be the fastest way,becouse if Kuma can in fact choose where to send people there shouldent be a problem. A little cheesy i know, but i would accept it hehe :P

Right after the flashback and possibly some haki training the next destination is SA is it not? I think so and if every Flying fish rider has a eternal pose to SA that would take much lesser time than lets say a regular boat would.

 

[Schabrak]

But i had a crazy dream/prediction last night as to how the crew can get togheter again. The bases of this theory is that Kuma has the ability to send people away with pint point accuracy. Dosent he always ask where do you want to go on vacation? And every SH did land on an island and no one in the sea, and i guess there i a larger possebility to land in the water than any island.

Why would he use those guys, if he can/could teleport himself and teleport them again. It wouldn't be much of journey, if the Mugiwaras would get back that way.

 

[Izznoogood]

wouldn't be much of journey, if the Mugiwaras would get back that way.

Jeah, i hear you. But how long will that take exactly. Do we know how many days it is between each place for example,? Then there could be a strong possibility of a short timeskip perhaps, as they dont have to wait for a log to set, itsd preatty much a strait line.? Anyway the only way for them to get back just by boat is the vivrecard and that could take like weeks no? And going over the red line again ect....hmm perhaps is to much, hehe.

 

[Uriel]

I would believe that if Kuma was like he was before...but we all know He's completely obedient now to the Government.

 

[k-dom]

A question about Shonen jump. Do you know why there is a difference between the release date and the date on the cover ? I mean Issue 26 was published at the end of may and it is written 14th of June (６月１４日)

 

[WIzarDE]

I wasent shure where to post this but i guess it will be removeed otherwise :P Also sorry to break the haki discussion.

But i had a crazy dream/prediction last night as to how the crew can get togheter again. The bases of this theory is that Kuma has the ability to send people away with pint point accuracy. Dosent he always ask where do you want to go on vacation? And every SH did land on an island and no one in the sea, and i guess there i a larger possebility to land in the water than any island.

I know this is far fetched but, if Kuma kan paw paw people away, you guys think he can do the same to himself? So if he arrives at SA he can possebly send one Flying fish rider to each SH and have them transport them back? To me that could be the fastest way,becouse if Kuma can in fact choose where to send people there shouldent be a problem. A little cheesy i know, but i would accept it hehe :P

Right after the flashback and possibly some haki training the next destination is SA is it not? I think so and if every Flying fish rider has a eternal pose to SA that would take much lesser time than lets say a regular boat would.

The problem with this is that Vegapunk has completed the transformation on Kuma, the way I see it is his personality is gone, he is a full cyborg now.

 

[BlindMunkey]

i am most likely late to this but Ace used haki in the chapter ?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/587/09/

 

[deffkryz]

i am most likely late to this but Ace used haki in the chapter ?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/587/09/

Just look some pages back, it's the Haoushoku. Oda confirmed it in Vol. 58 SBS of Chapter 570.

 

[Freid]

wouldnt paw paw-ing himself also take three days for him to land where he wants?

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

wouldnt paw paw-ing himself also take three days for him to land where he wants?

why would he need that , kuma uses transportation if im correct .