One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[XXGenesis]

I'm trying to find who's the sound reasoning voice that the majority crowd around.because this was point blank obvious..doesnt matter who can last a bit longer..they get stomped by Croc...

Sanji's physical strength is no where no near above Croc's. And his speed at this point isn't faster than Croc as a Sand logia. As I think about it current Sanji vs updated Croc wod be an high/extreme diff for him now..

But let's stay in the past. Sanji's kicks are no way comparable to the strenth of Luffy's punchs. Sanji unfortunately cant even match G3 output of damage currently. Sanji's lv of destruction that he's capable of is limited to his fighting style and overall physical strength..He,s just not busting a marine ship the same way Luffy or Zoro can.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Sanji will use his intelligence to know the big difference between him and crocodile. Knowing this, sanji runs for his life

 

[McNuss]

Sanji got wrecked by Lapahns and now he is supposedly a threat to Crocodile?

This thread needs a reroll. It's essentially always the same topics.

Either it circlejerks around the top tiers (Yonko, Admirals, Oden, etc.) or around Sanji or Zoro ("Monster Trio" debates).

I don't know how things that are as clear cut as Sanjis Pre-Skip powerlevel are even sparking debates. I mean this is the same as asking whether Woop Slap could beat Lord of the Coast. Yeah he is smarter than Luffy...

 

[LaGOAT]

@King Moe wait u think alabasta sanji we would stand a chance against crocodile?

 

[King Moe]

@King Moe wait u think alabasta sanji we would stand a chance against crocodile?

Can give a fight, but will lose in the end.

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Sanji will use his intelligence to know the big difference between him and crocodile. Knowing this, sanji runs for his life

Nah, he knows how to handle himself better in a fight and use smart plays in it.

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I'm trying to find who's the sound reasoning voice that the majority crowd around.because this was point blank obvious..doesnt matter who can last a bit longer..they get stomped by Croc...

Sanji's physical strength is no where no near above Croc's. And his speed at this point isn't faster than Croc as a Sand logia. As I think about it current Sanji vs updated Croc wod be an high/extreme diff for him now..

But let's stay in the past. Sanji's kicks are no way comparable to the strenth of Luffy's punchs. Sanji unfortunately cant even match G3 output of damage currently. Sanji's lv of destruction that he's capable of is limited to his fighting style and overall physical strength..He,s just not busting a marine ship the same way Luffy or Zoro can.

What headcannon You reading? Sanji is as strong in M3 and with Zoro are closest to Luffy in strength and have shown that. Also overhyping a bit on Crocodile's strength at that time. Once water hit his being, Luffy hit him with regular fist and it send him flying and enough to bleed. He can be easily damage once liquid weakness is on him. And since when Croc can speed blitz others? Never seen him as speedster. He got good speed, but not to the point you can't dodge or predict movements. Sanji has speed and power to fight him, but just saying it won't be easy fight on both.

What this on current? Talking about Alabasta. Current Sanji kills him now. He already shown power and defeated while fighting those stronger than Crocodile. What do you mean? It be Low-Midd Diff win for him.

Also dude really?

This was in pre-timeskip and in same arc. Sanji has attack power to harm him and this wasn't his full strength. If you think Crocodile will feel no pain and no damage from this, then your reading something else not canon to the series. His attack power is strong as G3 and perhaps more and growing in current arc as he gets set to face YC soon. He has the power to do heavy damage. Idk where you getting at.

All I an saying it's not easy fight between Sanji vs Crocodile if they fought. I didn't say Sanji would win, but he won't go down easy. Your taking into something else a bit farther than what stated.

 

[SupremeMod]

C'mon guys, pre-timeskip Croc owns both Sanji and Zoro. He nearly killed Luffy twice...

 

[nik87]

But never ever is Mihawk >>> Shanks or Yonkou...

How do you picture that considering Shanks who is a Yonko being a swordsman and yet Mihawk being the world's strongest swordsman?
Manga literally told you Mihawk>Shanks. Explain yourself.

 

[jaymizzo]

How do you picture that considering Shanks who is a Yonko being a swordsman and yet Mihawk being the world's strongest swordsman?
Manga literally told you Mihawk>Shanks. Explain yourself.

When did the Manga literally say Mihawk > Shanks?

You recycle the same stuff over and over again dude. Come on, at least put some variety in your stances.

The Ace novels sheds a bit more light on the fact that they dueled multiple times, it's illogical to duel someone you keep winning against. At that point they could have been equals (which is more likely than one being significantly stronger).

 

[nik87]

When did the Manga literally say Mihawk > Shanks?

You recycle the same stuff over and over again dude. Come on, at least put some variety in your stances.

The Ace novels sheds a bit more light on the fact that they dueled multiple times, it's illogical to duel someone you keep winning against. At that point they could have been equals (which is more likely than one being significantly stronger).

When it made Shanks into a swordsman and gave Mihawk the WSS title. Them being equal in the past doesnt discredit Mihawk in any way.

 

[jaymizzo]

When it made Shanks into a swordsman and gave Mihawk the WSS title. Them being equal in the past doesnt discredit Mihawk in any way.

This has been recycled to no end. Shanks uses a sword but that does not mean it is his only way of fighting. The Manga is extremely ambiguous about Shanks and Mihawks duels.

You can say Mihawk is a better swordsman than Shanks because he holds the title... But to outright say he is stronger in every metric is you just trying to start endless debates that you never finish or try to prove.

Edit: Just realised, this actually will never end. It's a pointless cycle.

 

[nik87]

This has been recycled to no end. Shanks uses a sword but that does not mean it is his only way of fighting. The Manga is extremely ambiguous about Shanks and Mihawks duels.

You can say Mihawk is a better swordsman than Shanks because he holds the title... But to outright say he is stronger in every metric is you just trying to start endless debates that you never finish or try to prove.

Edit: Just realised, this actually will never end. It's a pointless cycle.

It is only a pointless circle because the fandom is making up "different combat styles" for Shanks. Good luck with that.

 

[Pirate Queen]

The list of Yonko Level characters, is to me this... (strengthwise)

Kaido
Blackbeard
Shanks
Big Mom
Mihawk
Luffy (to be determined)

Admiral Level

Akainu
Garp
Sengoku
Kizaru
Fujitora
Roku whatever his name is

 

[Shasha23]

The list of Yonko Level characters, is to me this... (strengthwise)

Kaido
Big Mom
Mihawk
Blackbeard
Shanks

Luffy (to be determined)

Admiral Level

Akainu
Fujitora
Kizaru
Ryokugyu
Garp
Sengoku

corrected it for you

 

[Pirate Queen]

corrected it for you

Nah, it was fine the first time.

 

[XXGenesis]

What's the fandoms relation of the Admirals & the Yonkou?

Couldn'the Admirals themselves become a Yonkou if they weren't marines??

I personal think the OG admirals all capable of Yonkou lv strength..as to say can any of the OG admirals defeat a Yonkou 1 v 1 is the question.

 

[Pirate Queen]

What's the fandoms relation of the Admirals & the Yonkou?

Couldn'the Admirals themselves become a Yonkou if they weren't marines??

I personal think the OG admirals all capable of Yonkou lv strength..as to say can any of the OG admirals defeat a Yonkou 1 v 1 is the question.

I personally consider Admirals and Yonko equal


Im not sure what the general consensus is

 

[M3J]

lol at Luffy being Yonkou level

Given the Admirals vs. Whitebeard, it's probably safe to assume they're close to or equal to Yonkou in power. Likely because of age, but Whitebeard was unable to keep any of them down.

 

[XXGenesis]

lol at Luffy being Yonkou level

Given the Admirals vs. Whitebeard, it's probably safe to assume they're close to or equal to Yonkou in power. Likely because of age, but Whitebeard was unable to keep any of them down.

1 v 1 I believe Aged WB was still stronger than them. Or maybe even equal to Akainu at best. 1 vs 3 any Yonkou is going to fall. Any Yonkou crew vs Entire Marines loses.

I think the OG Admirals are low-mid Yonkou lv. But what makes the Yonkou so threatening to the Marines aside from their individual strength. Is their massive crew's that have commanders who are highly reputable Pirates.

Kaido or BM I see defeating Akainu in good fight/high-mid diff..But they csnt take on all of the Marines.Thats how they get outgunned.

 

[M3J]

Talking about one-on-one though, and they were still fighting. Akainu got the worst of it but was still standing and fighting.

 

[XXGenesis]

Talking about one-on-one though, and they were still fighting. Akainu got the worst of it but was still standing and fighting.

1 v 1 battles are mostly decided when someone gives up. Cant fight anymore or plot interference.

WB didnt have any 1 v 1 battles..he had clashes with them. He fought Akainu at the end, when he was battle worn..

Fresh aged WB, still owns Akianu