One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[nik87]

So you understand how Luffy fans feel each time you cling onto running in circles around Luffy?

Sanji didnt stalemate Zoro, unlike Luffy.

 

[jaymizzo]

Sanji didnt stalemate Zoro, unlike Luffy.

But Sanji and Zoro are always seen as equals in the manga... Luffy has never been lowered to being Zoro's equal...

2nd strongest after the captain but hey... Keep clinging.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Sanji didnt stalemate Zoro, unlike Luffy.

But Sanji and Zoro are always seen as equals in the manga... Luffy has never been lowered to being Zoro's equal...

2nd strongest after the captain but hey... Keep clinging.

And according to Nik, Zoro should have won easily because hes a swordsmen and Luffy's has a weakness to swords. Zoro couldn't do shit to him.... and that was before gears hahaha let alone before haki.

At best it proves Zoro = Base Luffy, which everyone should agree with since Luffy is never restricted to base. and now with Luffy having fought Katakuri for hours at a time in base.... his base/with haki is comfortably stronger than Zoro, until Zpro can prove otherwise.

And if he wants to point to pointless fights you can easily say Sanji actually defeated a much stronger version of Luffy and actually knocked him out.

Sanji, Luffy, Jinbe, Zoro.... hard facts

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 3, 2020, Original Post Date: Apr 3, 2020 ---

The interesting thing now is Zoro and Jinbe. I dont anyone can argue Jinbe is stronger than Zoro at this point in the manga but that the coming arc will show Zoro growing stronger than the Shichibukai to remain the 2nd strongest crew member.

I wonder what the power cap is between the 2 now? Probably not much nor will it be much after Zoro gets stronger.

Like I've said before. I think the 3 (Jinbe, Zoro, Sanji) make up the top commanders of the SH Crew as the "Monster Trio" but unlike other crews they would all be fairly equal by EOS.

Luffy as of now already has the makings to have the 3 strongest commanders of any Top Tier Crew.

 

[thedude]

Did you forget Zoro taking Luffy's punishment on top of his own in TB and dwarfing Luffy's endurance?

My "belief" on why he fainted is clear - plot element while manga fact is hunger. Your belief is Zoro cant handle a stab.

I dont care about Sanji, he doesnt exist when it comes to Zoro's power level, literally irrelevant character. It is Sanji fans who cling to Zoro.

He didn't dwarf Luffy's endurance there, why make that up? He was passed out for days after that, just like Luffy would have. I mean, I like Zoro a lot, but are we going to pretend he doesn't pass out like all the time?

He passed out after Buggy
He passed out after Mihawk a few times
He passed out after Mr 1
He passed out after Kuma
He passed out after Killer

Those are off the top of my head...it's not shameful to admit these things happened, and the Killer one just happened, and you yourself said it wasn't the hunger...until you decided that helped your argument lol.

And the way you troll Sanji fans like Moe shows that your last statement is also a lie. It's hard to keep up with all of them!

I think Zoro will be YC level this arc. I think he'd have lost to Katakuri last arc, while Luffy "beat" him. He's below Luffy. There is nothing to indicate King is above or below Katakuri. That's just stuff you are inventing, like you are known to do, to put Zoro on a pedestal. But it's pointless, because by the end of this arc, Luffy will have beaten a Yonko, and at best, we can hope, Zoro will beat a YC. So Luffy will still be above him...and given he's the star of the freaking manga, I hate to break it to you, he'll always be above him.

 

[nik87]

But Sanji and Zoro are always seen as equals in the manga...

Factually incorrect.

Luffy has never been lowered to being Zoro's equal...

Factually incorrect as well.

He didn't dwarf Luffy's endurance there, why make that up?

Except that he did and it is a manga fact. Luffy passed out from his own damage alone, Zoro didnt by taking Luffy's on top of his own.
This is one of the biggest humiliations for those who want to claim Luffy's superiority.

He passed out after Buggy
He passed out after Mihawk a few times
He passed out after Mr 1
He passed out after Kuma
He passed out after Killer

Eventually, Yes, yes?, No, yes. So? Are we gonna pretend that he didnt pass out many times despite way worse injuries?

it's not shameful to admit these things happened, and the Killer one just happened, and you yourself said it wasn't the hunger...until you decided that helped your argument lol.

Am I not admitting it? Yes, I said it was a plot element justified through hunger. You literally have manga evidence that the reason for faint is hunger.
Are you denying it?

And the way you troll Sanji fans like Moe shows that your last statement is also a lie. It's hard to keep up with all of them!

I enjoy trolling the likes of Moe. I dont care about Sanji's power level. The two are not mutually excluding.

I think Zoro will be YC level this arc.

I think Zoro was above all YCs the moment he returned from TS.

Luffy will have beaten a Yonko

And Zoro will kill a Yonko.

I hate to break it to you, he'll always be above him.

Just like he was above him in WP?

 

[jaymizzo]

Factually incorrect as well.

Im sure you can find plenty of factual panels where Zoro has been said to be on par with Luffy.

Actually, nah. We've been down this route before. It doesn't end well for you.

 

[thedude]

Factually incorrect.

Factually incorrect as well.


Except that he did and it is a manga fact. Luffy passed out from his own damage alone, Zoro didnt by taking Luffy's on top of his own.
This is one of the biggest humiliations for those who want to claim Luffy's superiority.


Eventually, Yes, yes?, No, yes. So? Are we gonna pretend that he didnt pass out many times despite way worse injuries?


Am I not admitting it? Yes, I said it was a plot element justified through hunger. You literally have manga evidence that the reason for faint is hunger.
Are you denying it?

I enjoy trolling the likes of Moe. I dont care about Sanji's power level. The two are not mutually excluding.


I think Zoro was above all YCs the moment he returned from TS.


And Zoro will kill a Yonko.


Just like he was above him in WP?

the way you talk is hilarious. "humiliation for those" lol. Clown.

Zoro will never kill a Yonko, Luffy will beat one, and even then, he likely won't kill one as he's never done it in the past. You are reading a real manga, stop writing the end in your fanboy head.

 

[nik87]

the way you talk is hilarious. "humiliation for those" lol. Clown.

Zoro will never kill a Yonko, Luffy will beat one, and even then, he likely won't kill one as he's never done it in the past. You are reading a real manga, stop writing the end in your fanboy head.

It's certainly going to be interesting when Wano ends. Either I will be salty or I will need more buckets to collect all the salt.

 

[thedude]

It's certainly going to be interesting when Wano ends. Either I will be salty or I will need more buckets to collect all the salt.

If you expect Zoro, not Luffy, to defeat the Yonko, I believe you'll be salty. You are literally going against how the manga has been written since day 1, going against the way the arc has progressed, with Luffy training explicitly to defeat Kaido.

The hilarious thing will be watching you pathetically cling to "Zoro would have also beaten him" after this happens, never admitting you were wrong, just plowing ahead like nothing happened.

 

[nik87]

If you expect Zoro, not Luffy, to defeat the Yonko, I believe you'll be salty. You are literally going against how the manga has been written since day 1, going against the way the arc has progressed, with Luffy training explicitly to defeat Kaido.
The hilarious thing will be watching you pathetically cling to "Zoro would have also beaten him" after this happens, never admitting you were wrong, just plowing ahead like nothing happened.

If I end up salty it will be a treat for you guys, if it goes my way it will be a treat for me. It is a win-win situation either way. Looking forward to it.

 

[thedude]

If I end up salty it will be a treat for you guys, if it goes my way it will be a treat for me. It is a win-win situation either way. Looking forward to it.

Dude, you literally never admit wrong, so no one is holding their breath that you'd do it this time.

 

[nik87]

Dude, you literally never admit wrong, so no one is holding their breath that you'd do it this time.

I saw you admitting wrong with evidence in front of your eyes, oh wait... I didnt.

 

[jaymizzo]

The point is being wrong now. You aren't predicting Zoro will be stronger at the end of the arc, you are claiming Zoro has been strong all along and the arc will prove it... Which is wrong.

Every character in the SH grows during and after their fights. If Zoro fights someone this arc and struggles but comes out on top, he won't be the Zoro of right now or before.

Someone claiming Sanji has always been stronger than Doflamingo and this arc would prove it would equally be taken as nonsense, because it would be wrong in this exact moment.

And also, like @thedude mentioned, even if Zoro is involved in the Kaido fight, be it by injury or a different way of helping, you would still be in denial and say he was as strong as Kaido all along... Plot elements just didn't allow him to blah blah blah.

Be wrong now and accept it. We all know how SHs grow, they fight, get pushed to their limit and grow. They aren't the same pre fight as they are post.

 

[nik87]

The point is being wrong now. You aren't predicting Zoro will be stronger at the end of the arc, you are claiming Zoro has been strong all along and the arc will prove it... Which is wrong.

Every character in the SH grows during and after their fights. If Zoro fights someone this arc and struggles but comes out on top, he won't be the Zoro of right now or before.

Someone claiming Sanji has always been stronger than Doflamingo and this arc would prove it would equally be taken as nonsense, because it would be wrong in this exact moment.

And also, like @thedude mentioned, even if Zoro is involved in the Kaido fight, be it by injury or a different way of helping, you would still be in denial and say he was as strong as Kaido all along... Plot elements just didn't allow him to blah blah blah.

Be wrong now and accept it. We all know how SHs grow, they fight, get pushed to their limit and grow. They aren't the same pre fight as they are post.

Dont project your thoughts onto me. Those things are what you are saying. Nothing to do with me lol.
This arc indeed will prove how strong Zoro really was because nothing so far has. Sanji was negged by Doflamingo and needed to be saved, also received abilities which he didnt have against Doflamingo(RS).
Make sure to make distinction between abilities Zoro already had all this time(Asura and results of TS training) and power-ups he will eventually get mid-battle.
I never said that Zoro is as strong as Kaido, keep your headcanons to yourself. I am wrong about nothing so far. You will have to wait for end of the arc for a chance of me being wrong.

 

[jaymizzo]

Dont project your thoughts onto me.

I would never make the argument that Zoro is that strong... Im under no illusion as to where he ranks.

But here is a breakdown of your post.

Spoiler: And you say

Those things are what you are saying. Nothing to do with me lol.

Spoiler: But also

This arc indeed will prove how strong Zoro really was because nothing so far has.

Spoiler: And then the backpedaling

You will have to wait for end of the arc for a chance of me being wrong.

I am wrong about nothing so far.

Man just one post is such a rollercoaster.

Spoiler: Bruh

He surpassed YCs but not caught up to Mihawk yet.

Nothing is impossible when you bring along a powerhouse like Zoro who is far more lethal than Luffy and Jinbe combined.

If Zoro came along to WCI, BM would have fallen by now.

I am afraid I underestimated Zoro, he might be considerably stronger than what I thought.
In that case, coming from the time-skip training, he didnt only come back stronger than Luffy, he came back waaay stronger.

Not as strong as YCs, stronger. He hasnt proven it yet, this arc will prove/disprove it.

 

[nik87]

I would never make the argument that Zoro is that strong... Im under no illusion as to where he ranks.
But here is a breakdown of your post.
Man just one post is such a rollercoaster.

Which of those show me saying that Zoro is stronger than Kaido?

 

[jaymizzo]

Which of those show me saying that Zoro is stronger than Kaido?

even if Zoro is involved in the Kaido fight, be it by injury or a different way of helping, you would still be in denial and say he was as strong as Kaido all along... Plot elements just didn't allow him to blah blah blah.

Out of all your posts... You found a hypothetical of mine to cling to

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro beheading a defenseless Kaido who is already defeated would be the most pathetic thing he could possibly do and its completely beneath him. To be such a fanatical fan that you'd even think that its somehow impressive for Zoro to kill someone he didn't defeat tells everyone you dont truly respect the character.

Would be the worst thing for Zoro's character development.

 

[nik87]

Out of all your posts... You found a hypothetical of mine to cling to

You were the one who put words into my mouth, I never said Zoro was as strong as Kaido. I said that he is above all YCs.

Zoro beheading a defenseless Kaido who is already defeated would be the most pathetic thing he could possibly do and its completely beneath him. To be such a fanatical fan that you'd even think that its somehow impressive for Zoro to kill someone he didn't defeat tells everyone you dont truly respect the character.
Would be the worst thing for Zoro's character development.

As defenseless as he was against Oden. The rumored scales which Zoro apparently "cant cut"... Killing the strongest being in the verse is good enough for me.

 

[Pirate Queen]

You were the one who put words into my mouth, I never said Zoro was as strong as Kaido. I said that he is above all YCs.


As defenseless as he was against Oden. The rumored scales which Zoro apparently "cant cut"... Killing the strongest being in the verse is good enough for me.

Good enough for people that dont respect Zoro's character. Thankfully true fans of Zoro know he would never kill someone already defeated, which the only way Zoro is able to get a clean hit in. Or if he's distracted by a true threat like Luffy.