One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

If you wish to continue any of these discussion and remove it from the list, you will need to provide manga material as proof. If there's also anything you think we've covered numerous times, let me know and I'll update the list.

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[Pirate Queen]

Mine is from manga itself. Where is yours from?

Directly from Oda and Editors, were as the manga can be argued their words cannot.

This is black and white telling you Zoro is weaker than Luffy.

You thinking you know better than the actual people that create the manga is nonsense.

 

[nik87]

Directly from Oda and Editors, were as the manga can be argued their words cannot.
This is black and white telling you Zoro is weaker than Luffy.
You thinking you know better than the actual people that create the manga is nonsense.

VC's got stuff wrong and we are still not reading the VC's but instead the manga, the one from Oda and primary source of it all, which said that Luffy isnt stronger and which hasnt disproved any of this:

Luffy was never above Zoro, he at best was equal to Zoro and only because of the mighty flip-flops.
In Alabasta, Zoro gains Haki power-up, Luffy gains nothing.
In Skypiea, Zoro gains flying slashes, Luffy gains nothing.
In EL, Luffy gains G2 and G3 which need half an arc to take the opponent out, Zoro neg diffs his opponent the moment he tapped into Asura.
In TB, Zoro gains Shusui and dwarfs Luffy's endurance like a boss, Luffy gains nothing.
In TS, Zoro gains the best trainer a swordsman could ask for, Luffy doesnt get anyone who can improve a rubberman.
And the trend continues seeing how casual Zoro's strikes dwarf Luffy's DC in both G3 and G4.

 

[Pirate Queen]

VC's got stuff wrong and we are still not reading the VC's but instead the manga, the one from Oda and primary source of it all, which said that Luffy isnt stronger and which hasnt disproved any of this:

Your evidence is from 20 years ago. Things have changed.

This...

Can't be countered by you.

 

[nik87]

Your evidence is from 20 years ago. Things have changed.

My evidence is from manga itself, unlike yours and this cannot be countered because it is a manga fact:

The truth you want to escape but cant...
Luffy was never above Zoro, he at best was equal to Zoro and only because of the mighty flip-flops.
In Alabasta, Zoro gains Haki power-up, Luffy gains nothing.
In Skypiea, Zoro gains flying slashes, Luffy gains nothing.
In EL, Luffy gains G2 and G3 which need half an arc to take the opponent out, Zoro neg diffs his opponent the moment he tapped into Asura.
In TB, Zoro gains Shusui and dwarfs Luffy's endurance like a boss, Luffy gains nothing.
In TS, Zoro gains the best trainer a swordsman could ask for, Luffy doesnt get anyone who can improve a rubberman.
And the trend continues seeing how casual Zoro's strikes dwarf Luffy's DC in both G3 and G4.
Luffy being stronger than Zoro was always just a dream.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Why put so much effort into being so obviously wrong?

Oda and the editors of OP produced the Vivre Cards. Its every bit as canon as the manga. The vivre cards that gave out wrong info were quickly corrected.

Your evidence is outdated over a decade

 

[nik87]

Your evidence is outdated over a decade

Let's see what Wano has to say about it. It is from manga itself and is more recent than your non-manga material.
Considering this past record between WP and TS, the MC stands no chance against Zoro.

 

[M3J]

Luffy would wreck Mr. 1 far quicker than Zoro did

Which Luffy? Pre-timeskip or post-timeskip? Pre-Enies Lobby or after?

Also, y'all need to learn to ignore nik87 instead of having repetitive arguments

Manga material(WP)>non-manga material(VC). Not sorry either.

Databooks are often canon unless proven or hinted otherwise.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Which Luffy? Pre-timeskip or post-timeskip? Pre-Enies Lobby or after?

Also, y'all need to learn to ignore nik87 instead of having repetitive arguments


Databooks are often canon unless proven or hinted otherwise.

The Luffy who did this...

Could 100% wreck Daz Bonez.

Just look at the destruction Luffy brought forth with his gatling gun.

And people wanna say Luffy can't do something as simple as damaging a steel body.

Daz didnt even bother to dodge Zoro.

Just look. Zoro was clearly hurting him even if Zoro wasn't cutting him.

Gatling Gun or A couple of bazooka's would have absolutely destroyed him.

Like I said. I used to think Luffy would lose think, but looking back? No way.

 

[nik87]

Punching rocks and sand is a well-known method for hurting one of the toughest bodies in OP verse, sure it is...

 

[Pirate Queen]

Mr. 1 now has one of the toughest bodies in One Piece...



This is getting real folks. Pretty soon it's going to evolve into even WB being unable to beat Mr. 1.


Holy shit. Hahahahahaha

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 6, 2020, Original Post Date: Apr 6, 2020 ---

Kaido
Big Mom
Mr.1

The top 3 toughest bodies in One Piece

 

[nik87]

Punching.rocks. = Damaging.Mr1.

 

[M3J]

If you take away Bones' devil fruit then yeah, Luffy would win easily, however, he'd likely lose because of Bones' ability to turn his body parts into blades. I don't see how Luffy can beat that unless he finds a way to hit the blunt side of the blades before Bones can figure out a way around that.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro was hurting Mr. 1 without the force needed to destroy rocks, but somehow Luffy who showed greater force can't hurt Mr. 1, sure...

If you take away Bones' devil fruit then yeah, Luffy would win easily, however, he'd likely lose because of Bones' ability to turn his body parts into blades. I don't see how Luffy can beat that unless he finds a way to hit the blunt side of the blades before Bones can figure out a way around that.

Luffy being able to hit the blunt side of blade is something he actually does in the manga tho... and as with the panels I provided Zoro was hurt Mr. 1 and Mr 1 wasnt turning into sharp edges.

 

[nik87]

Zoro was hurting Mr. 1 without the force needed to destroy rocks,

Headcanon.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Headcanon.

Panels already provided. Headcanon to not accept it

 

[Fox666]

That is Zoro breaking steel effortlessly and not doing shit to Mr1 but Luffy breaking steel apparently can do something to Mr1...

Didn't Zoro himself said it was because of the density of Hatchan swords?

Don Krieg's armor is a gigantic piece of steel, very much like Mr. 1 body. You see the difference, and that it's not a plot-hole that Zoro couldn't damage Mr. 1 despite breaking Hatchan swords, right?

Besides an incompetent swordsman can break a sword quite often. Even Zoro himself was guilty pre-timeskip.

Do we have a single fight on panel, from start to finish, among ~equals and that they are barehanded and a swordsman?

Arlong vs Luffy

Zoro's zombie vs Sanji's zombie

Pedro vs Tamago

Luffy vs Cracker

If you take away Bones' devil fruit then yeah, Luffy would win easily, however, he'd likely lose because of Bones' ability to turn his body parts into blades. I don't see how Luffy can beat that unless he finds a way to hit the blunt side of the blades before Bones can figure out a way around that.

If Bentham could fight Daz Bones, why couldn't Luffy?

Punching rocks and sand is a well-known method for hurting one of the toughest bodies in OP verse, sure it is...

Seriously, Luffy breaking the ground of Arabasta is quite impressive.

We don't see any of the Strawhats doing anything like that until after the timeskip.

 

[XXGenesis]

I hate it here...

ive mentioned Luffy being able to break steel & defeat Daz Bones @Lexusflame was the guy who told me..No he can't..

@nik87 must not have read too many shounen manga. Oda does a good job, but the 2nd strongest or Rival only gets brief slight moments of being stronger. The MC is primarily always the strongest.

Zoro was never stronger than Luffy. His only moment was during the aftermath with Oars.& Zoro never got to heal and fight at full power. Luffy proceeded into an entire arc w/o his crew.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I hate it here...

ive mentioned Luffy being able to break steel & defeat Daz Bones @Lexusflame was the guy who told me..No he can't..

@nik87 must not have read too many shounen manga. Oda does a good job, but the 2nd strongest or Rival only gets brief slight moments of being stronger. The MC is primarily always the strongest.

Zoro was never stronger than Luffy. His only moment was during the aftermath with Oars.& Zoro never got to heal and fight at full power. Luffy proceeded into an entire arc w/o his crew.

I already admitted I used to be a supporter of Mr.1 defeating Luffy. But like I said I reread the manga and can admit I was wrong. Rereading Alabasta arc I can confidently say Luffy wins.

I can actually remember debating you sometime last year before I started my reread and i honestly believe luffy ouldn'tc beat Mr.1 .

I'll take the L on that lol

 

[XXGenesis]

I already admitted I used to be a supporter of Mr.1 defeating Luffy. But like I said I reread the manga and can admit I was wrong. Rereading Alabasta arc I can confidently say Luffy wins.

I can actually remember debating you sometime last year before I started my reread and i honestly believe luffy ouldn'tc beat Mr.1 .

I'll take the L on that lol

Yea I know. But I couldn't help myself lol.
One Piece is a tough re read. I just go off my memory, and minor Google'n.

 

[M3J]

Zoro was hurting Mr. 1 without the force needed to destroy rocks, but somehow Luffy who showed greater force can't hurt Mr. 1, sure...


Luffy being able to hit the blunt side of blade is something he actually does in the manga tho... and as with the panels I provided Zoro was hurt Mr. 1 and Mr 1 wasnt turning into sharp edges.

Zoro couldn't beat Daz without putting enough power that he could cut steel itself, though. Luffy isn't going to have that advantage without a sword that Zoro did. Daz probably can't turn his body parts into blades while being attacked, but if he does it before being attacked, then the advantage is his unless Luffy can move his hands into attacking the blunt side. Daz can also create blade circles or something like he did in that panel you provided.

If Bentham could fight Daz Bones, why couldn't Luffy?

When did BOn Clay fight Daz? After Alabasta?