One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[thedude]

I think they were willing to hurt each other, that they had no issue with that but were making sure they didn't really kill each other.

Possibly. I think it's clear that there was no real winner in these duels.

What was Kaido's durability good for against Oden? BTW, Kaido's durability>BM's.
Yonko level strength infused with Zeus which Luffy and Sanji didnt care about but it will affect Mihawk?

"Using Zeus and Prometheus changes everything." There ya go, two flies dont care about that change. But Mihawk will?

Have we seen Mihawk demonstrate the kind of physical strength Luffy and Sanji have? Isn't headcannon saying he could deal with her strength a bit much? Let's stick to the manga please!

Kaidos' durability isn't better than BM's, it's pretty much equal. She has no scars that we see, Kaido does.

and let's note that Mihawk never hurt Kaido, so none of this even matters in the discussion of his strength, or Zoro's...

We know that Oden was able to nearly beat Pre-Yonko level Kaido. We know that and only that. We know nothing of what Mihawk could do to him, or what Zoro could, since NEITHER OF THEM HAS FOUGHT HIM! So if you want to keep throwing around "headcannon", can you stop introducing things that you are only guessing?

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Big Mom has Zeus and Prometheus which can spam Lightening and fire and he cannot cut because they are intangible so Mihawk can't get rid of them. On top of being immune to damage unless certain condition are met and can spam Elbaf Spear.

Nothing this takes into consideration that she also has haki.

Clear win for BM

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Well we don't know who was sent after him as all we saw was a Buster Call converging on his island (5 Battle Ships) bbn it they did send a special unit against Weevil who is said to be as physically strong as a Young WB

I suppose that is true, we didn't see who was there. I think Fujitora was with Kolby obviously, you can see the giant sea snake in front of his ship, but other than that, we don't see any admirals on other ships. I suppose Kizaru or Ryokugyu could be there.

 

[albertwv]

Like this is if you agree Nik shouldn't be allowed to argue about Zolo and Mihawk because his opinion is too biased on his fanboyism.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Like this is if you agree Nik shouldn't be allowed to argue about Zolo and Mihawk because his opinion is too biased on his fanboyism.

Lol too funny.

 

[nik87]

and he cannot cut because they are intangible so Mihawk can't get rid of them.

Unfortunately for you, swordsmen can cut anything, intangible the same as tangible. Good luck next try.

Kaidos' durability isn't better than BM's, it's pretty much equal. She has no scars that we see, Kaido does.

Kaido fell from sky island without a scratch, Big Mom was gonna die falling from WCI... "Same durability."

and let's note that Mihawk never hurt Kaido, so none of this even matters in the discussion of his strength, or Zoro's...

Oden did. How did that durability work for Kaido/BM? Like it didnt exist, lmao.

We know that Oden was able to nearly beat Pre-Yonko level Kaido. We know that and only that. We know nothing of what Mihawk could do to him, or what Zoro could, since NEITHER OF THEM HAS FOUGHT HIM! So if you want to keep throwing around "headcannon", can you stop introducing things that you are only guessing?

Have we seen Mihawk demonstrate the kind of physical strength Luffy and Sanji have? Isn't headcannon saying he could deal with her strength a bit much? Let's stick to the manga please!

Definitely my headcanon. If you want to think that two flies have greater strength than Mihawk and can deal with thunder/fire better than him, be my guest.

 

[Pirate Queen]

You have no proof Mihawk knows how to cut fire as even the panel you provided states it is a secret technique probably only passed down in Wano. You again have no proof Mihawk knows how to cut intangible things. Even haki don't affect it. You can't just give Mihawk the ability to cut fire and clouds permanently lol. Try again.


Unless you think Mihawk knows every single swords style and technique in existance

 

[thedude]

Definitely my headcanon. If you want to think that two flies have greater strength than Mihawk and can deal with thunder/fire better than him, be my guest.

you have 0 feats of Mihawk showing the strenght of Luffy or Sanji. Either stick to your new thing of "only in manga acts can be used", or as Wapol would say,

(also hilarious that Luffy, a man who has defeated two YC's and will now defeat a Yonko is a fly...you really should tone your pathetic fanboy act down a bit).

 

[thedude]

Even Oden, Wano's greatest samurai of his time, was impressed by how Roger and Whitbeard's CoA clashed without their weapons touching.

For me this is the biggest demonstration of CoA so far

Was it their CoA or their Kings Haki? I wonder about that with those clashes, also BMvsKaido, and Shanks vs WB.

 

[nik87]

You have no proof Mihawk knows how to cut fire as even the panel you provided states it is a secret technique probably only passed down in Wano. You again have no proof Mihawk knows how to cut intangible things. Even haki don't affect it. You can't just give Mihawk the ability to cut fire and clouds permanently lol. Try again.
Unless you think Mihawk knows every single swords style and technique in existance

Did Sanji and Luffy have the need to cut it?
There is also this secret skill called dodging.

man who has defeated two YC's and will now defeat a Yonko is a fly...you really should tone your pathetic fanboy act down a bit)

Let's see how much of a fly he is not after Kaido has wiped the floor with him.
Yeah, I definitely have no strength feats for Mihawk, it is my headcanon. You are free to believe that 2 flies>Mihawk in strength.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Did Sanji and Luffy have the need to cut it?
There is also this secret skill called dodging.

No one said Mihawk couldn't dodge. Damn you find the most irrelevant stuff to come back with lol.

I write Mihawk would need to prove he knows the secret fire cutting technique to cut something in intangible, you read

"I don't think Mihawk can dodge." Lol, your losing it.

You said Mihawk cut fire (which is a secret Wano tech) just to imply Prometheus wasn't an issue for him. Your HEADCANON (please pay attention because this is how it is used correctly) is that Mihawk somehow learned this technique just because it exists in the manga. You'd be wrong unless he is shown using it.

 

[nik87]

No one said Mihawk couldn't dodge. Damn you find the most irrelevant stuff to come back with lol.
I write Mihawk would need to prove he knows the secret fire cutting technique to cut something in intangible, you read
"I don't think Mihawk can dodge." Lol, your losing it.
You said Mihawk cut fire (which is a secret Wano tech) just to imply Prometheus wasn't an issue for him. Your HEADCANON (please pay attention because this is how it is used correctly) is that Mihawk somehow learned this technique just because it exists in the manga. You'd be wrong unless he is shown using it.

I wasnt the one who brought fire and thunder into the argument as supposed game-changers against Mihawk...
All sword arts came from Wano, it didnt stop it from spreading to the entire world... Zeus isnt an issue for Luffy and Sanji but it is for Mihawk?

 

[Pirate Queen]

All sword arts came from Wano

Anyone wanna take a shot at backing Nik up on this one? Lol wtf

 

[thedude]

Anyone wanna take a shot at backing Nik up on this one? Lol wtf

As if in the real world there weren't different sword techniques from different countries, lol. Like the Spanish fencing was the same as what Japanese samurai did. Maybe Nik thinks only samurai use swords and therefore all sword techniques come from one place?

 

[nik87]

The cutting techniques are imitations of the abilities of the Sword God Ryuma who is from Wano, imperfect copies of his abilities.
I'll try to find a source for that but afaik it's not manga itself, probably an OP magazine.

 

[HereNThere]

Was it their CoA or their Kings Haki? I wonder about that with those clashes, also BMvsKaido, and Shanks vs WB.

In my opinion, I think it's a demonstration of both, most likely at the highest level. We've seen non emperor clashes of CoC, but they've never been as strong as an Emperor's clash. Luffy has clashed with several other people who had CoC, but the power they showed wasn't close to an Emperor. However, they've blown things back with the clash.

 

[M3J]

Like this is if you agree Nik shouldn't be allowed to argue about Zolo and Mihawk because his opinion is too biased on his fanboyism.

Or, OR, you can just ignore him instead of falling for his bait.

Sounds easier than constantly responding to him and whining all the time.

 

[albertwv]

Or, OR, you can just ignore him instead of falling for his bait.

Sounds easier than constantly responding to him and whining all the time.

I'm not the one falling for his bait, in fact it's everybody else that is.
The recent pages have been everyone else vs. Nik
I stopped replying back to his imaginations
Am I whining? No i'm just tired of rereading the same arguments over and over again and how others keep responding to him, I'm the one telling everyone else to ignore him but seems everybody is ignoring me.
I had changed the subject to Supernovas ranking but somehow it went back to Mihawk and Zoro.

 

[hokageji]

Whoa now, that's just makes WAY too much sense to be true. Let's back it up cowboy

Lol

i am being hypothetical.... One Piece is more than just swordsmenship and i dont know how else to say it.... Shanks would've been a better example but we've barely seen him fight...

What are Zeus and Prometheus changing?

They aren't sword techniques, they can work independent of Big Mama... And if Haki techniques didn't work on Prometheus, how would Mihawk counter it?

I think if it were strictly limited to using swords, yes, he'd be better than BM. But BM is also huge, and stronger than him, and more durable than him (her body is near indestructible without even using her haki!).

So I don't think it even needs to come down to using her other powers like Zeus and Prometheus, it's like my earlier boxing example. Pound for pound he's recognized as the best swordsman. But that doesn't account for a Yonko level strength like BM has, which on it's own would be enough to beat him.

The WG is terrified of these Yonko for a pretty big reason. They send fodder to arrest Mihawk.

I think its more like she's always using haki even subsconsciously, but i agree with you and what i was trying to point out... i haven't read your boxing post and i will do now, but it seems like we are in agreement.

 

[Pirate Queen]

i am being hypothetical.... One Piece is more than just swordsmenship and i dont know how else to say it.... Shanks would've been a better example but we've barely seen him fight...



They aren't sword techniques, they can work independent of Big Mama... And if Haki techniques didn't work on Prometheus, how would Mihawk counter it?



I think its more like she's always using haki even subsconsciously, but i agree with you and what i was trying to point out... i haven't read your boxing post and i will do now, but it seems like we are in agreement.

Nah bruh. I was agreeing with you lol. Just having a little fun .

 

[nik87]

They aren't sword techniques, they can work independent of Big Mama... And if Haki techniques didn't work on Prometheus, how would Mihawk counter it?

I assumed he can cut simply cut through them effectively, like Kinemon, thought that if anyone is able to cut everything, it's the wss...
Even if he cant, he can move out if the way. Prometheus and Zeus didnt look too capable on their own, especially against some top tiers...

 

[King Moe]

So what you all expect on how strong Kaido's son to be? Will he be stronger than Calamities or equal or under them at best being YC4 lvl?