One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Pirate Queen]

I guess if thats how you see it then I won't argue it. Like I said, good list overall, +

Looking forward to these lists being redone after Wano when Zoro defeats King without too much trouble.
Also, every list that has Shanks above Mihawk, idk what you expect from Shanks to pull off to be above Mihawk...

Of course lists will change after more feats are presented. What do you expect?

 

[nik87]

Of course lists will change after more feats are presented. What do you expect?

I expect a higher standard and accuracy of PL predictions.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I expect a higher standard and accuracy of PL predictions.

Your asking us to place Zoro in particular higher for events that have yet to happen. Obviously Zoro is gunna be higher by EoS. We are talking current power levels not Future Power Levels... which is why none of us are putting Luffy on the Yonko or Legendary Tier.

No list is accurate and you've already admitted bias so yours can't be taken as seriously as it should. All lists presented are more or less similar.

Not sure of the point you are trying to make.

 

[Holt]

Luffy too high
Mihaek too high
Shiki too low
Aokiji too low (he was equal to Akainu)
Zoro too High
Mallegan too high
Hancock too low


Just my take. Great list overall, most of what I bring up is debatable of course but I this Shiki is the one that glaringly stands out.

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@Shasha23 you are right about law, queen, and smoothie, I actually agree with you

Ivan is debatable and I won't be starting the Mihawk+Shanks debate so let's skip that.

Good suggestions for the most part. U should make one.

Drake is powerful indeed but High-Tier YC is a lot, especially since Queen isn't even on that tier.

Law is definitely not DD tier imo. Even Luffy wasn't pre-G4. I don't think Kidd is either. Those two are YC Low tier for now. Hancock and Kuma also being 2 tiers above DD is a lot. I wouldn't even agree with DD being a tier below Jozu tbh. I'd argue they're the same tier or one higher perhaps. Not sure who is on Drake's left?

Killer-Cracker-Zoro-Sanji-Croc-Ace same tier feels weird somehow. Someone doesn't fit in there. Could be Killer being lower or Cracker and Ace being higher. Ace clashed equally with Jinbei so not sure why he should be a tier lower. He also held performed decently against Akainu despite the DF disadvantage. Having Jozu and Vista 2 tiers higher than Ace is a lot. They're the same tier. Burgess imo is definitely a tier over Ace. The reverse is the case.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Drake is powerful indeed but High-Tier YC is a lot, especially since Queen isn't even on that tier.

Law is definitely not DD tier imo. Even Luffy wasn't pre-G4. I don't think Kidd is either. Those two are YC Low tier for now. Hancock and Kuma also being 2 tiers above DD is a lot. I wouldn't even agree with DD being a tier below Jozu tbh. I'd argue they're the same tier or one higher perhaps. Not sure who is on Drake's left?

Killer-Cracker-Zoro-Sanji-Croc-Ace same tier feels weird somehow. Someone doesn't fit in there. Could be Killer being lower or Cracker and Ace being higher. Ace clashed equally with Jinbei so not sure why he should be a tier lower. He also held performed decently against Akainu despite the DF disadvantage. Having Jozu and Vista 2 tiers higher than Ace is a lot. They're the same tier. Burgess imo is definitely a tier over Ace. The reverse is the case.

Thanks for the advice! I'll re-evaluate!

 

[Shasha23]

U should make one.

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[Fox666]

On the Marine side, people seems to forget VA Tsuru and VA Momousagi who was a candidate for the promotion to Admiral.
They're said to be the mightiest female marines, they should be pretty strong (YC at least)

It was Chaton (Tokitake) and Momousagi (Gion).

 

[Pirate Queen]

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Nothing too crazy or out of place like others I've seen.

 

[Holt]

I might be missing something, but why is Ryuma so high on some many tier lists? Zoro bested Ryuma (although it was Brook's shadow) but that was Ryuma's body and also shisui. How can Ryuma possibly on the same tier as Roger and WB?

 

[Pirate Queen]

I might be missing something, but why is Ryuma so high on some many tier lists? Zoro bested Ryuma (although it was Brook's shadow) but that was Ryuma's body and also shisui. How can Ryuma possibly on the same tier as Roger and WB?

Prime Sword God Ryuma i place on legendary level. Not Zombie Ryuma

 

[Holt]

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Feels weird to have Im and Dragon ranked tbh. Dragon is a bit understandable, but there's no indication Im is even a fighter. I don't know who is on Aokiji's right. The top tiers are pretty cool (I still have no idea why Ryuma is there). I don't agree with King on Top Tier. There's pretty much nothing to indicate that. Rayleigh should be on top tier. He stalemated Kizaru afterall. Kidd is out of place in that top-tier. He really has no business there right now.
Mid-tier is pretty balanced, but two cluttered. The variation is too much. Zoro/Law/Drake/Ichiji imo shouldn't be there. Ace shouldn't really be a tier under Jozu and Vista

Prime Sword God Ryuma i place on legendary level. Not Zombie Ryuma

But why though?

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

It was Chaton (Tokitake) and Momousagi (Gion).

I know those were the candidates so they must be at least on the level of the new 2 Admirals (not the old ones)
But Tsuru is from Garp and Sengoku's generation and said to but really strong (strongest female marine)
She might not have become Admiral because of her own reasons but she sure is one of the high tier

 

[HereNThere]

But why though?

Heavily implied (confirmed?) to be the previous WSS in the past.

 

[Pirate Queen]

But why though?

What do you mean why lol I'm confused? He was so strong he made the WG from being weary of attacking Wano for centuries after his death. He is the reason why even Akainu doesn't want to send marines into Wano because they are unsure of how strong Wano is.

Some one that powerful has to be on the level of Roger or WB, don't you think? Or do you think his legend was conflated and untrue.

 

[Holt]

Heavily implied (confirmed?) to be the previous WSS in the past.

Even if he was (I think this was wano based) but if Mihawk isn't Roger/WB tier then why should Ryuma be? Would a previous WSS really have lost to pre-TS zoro? Even nerfed? Sleeping WB was kicking Ace's ass. Easily. Old nerfed WB was pummeling Admiral tiers. When you reach a certain status, no matter how nerfed you are, you can't really be losing to someone like pre TS Zoro imo

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

I don't know who is on Aokiji's right

That's Vice Admiral Momousagi (Gion) one of the candidates to Admiral promotion during the TS. I do not think she's on the level of the old Admirals but she should be at least equal or a little bit lower than Fujitora

 

[Holt]

What do you mean why lol I'm confused? He was so strong he made the WG from being weary of attacking Wano for centuries after his death. He is the reason why even Akainu doesn't want to send marines into Wano because they are unsure of how strong Wano is.

Some one that powerful has to be on the level of Roger or WB, don't you think? Or do you think his legend was conflated and untrue.

Wano is simply unknown territory. Venturing into unknown territory would be reckless nonetheless. I think it's less about a single individual and more about how much Wano is shrouded in mystery...WG will go after whoever the want to, provided they have enough information. I mean, these people went after Roger and directly provoked WB. Clearly they have no qualms about taking on anyone provided they have made sufficient preparations.

 

[HereNThere]

Even if he was (I think this was wano based) but if Mihawk isn't Roger/WB tier then why should Ryuma be? Would a previous WSS really have lost to pre-TS zoro? Even nerfed? Sleeping WB was kicking Ace's ass. Easily. Old nerfed WB was pummeling Admiral tiers. When you reach a certain status, no matter how nerfed you are, you can't really be losing to someone like pre TS Zoro imo

I don't disagree, but to be fair, Ryuma was more than nerfed, lol. He was dead for hundreds of years by that point. Not only that, he wasn't even using his actual technique. So basically Zoro was fighting what could barely be considered the shell of Ryuma's former self that wasn't even using his real fighting power.

Imagine if Mihawk had died centuries ago and someone like Tashigi's shadow was put in it. The body would be strong, but not nearly as strong as it was when it was alive and it'd just be using Tashigi's sword technique, which is good, but nowhere near Mihawk's style.

 

[nik87]

Your asking us to place Zoro in particular higher for events that have yet to happen. Obviously Zoro is gunna be higher by EoS. We are talking current power levels not Future Power Levels... which is why none of us are putting Luffy on the Yonko or Legendary Tier.

I am talking about current PL too. This is obviously not where Zoro ranks. He hasnt shown his limits. That's what I expect to be guessed better.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Wano is simply unknown territory. Venturing into unknown territory would be reckless nonetheless. I think it's less about a single individual and more about how much Wano is shrouded in mystery...WG will go after whoever the want to, provided they have enough information. I mean, these people went after Roger and directly provoked WB. Clearly they have no qualms about taking on anyone provided they have made sufficient preparations.

Idk I feel there is enough there in the manga and outside sources to place Ryume at Legendary level. I can certainly see where your coming from but my stance is that you don't just give the title of "GOD" without being able to back it up. In any manga ever, anything with the title of GOD is 100% able to be backed up....