One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Nie Li]

As far we know the Vice-Admirals were said to be Haki users because of Rokushiki.

Coby knew Soru before he awakened his first form of haki in the middle of Marineford (hearing the voices of the dying soldiers), and it was then that it was explained to him that that's what haki is and that all vice-admirals also possessed haki because it's a requirement, so they definitely have normal haki. While haki and rokushiki are related, we have seen they are still distinct things.

 

[Fox666]

Coby knew Soru before he awakened his first form of haki in the middle of Marineford (hearing the voices of the dying soldiers), and it was then that it was explained to him that that's what haki is and that all vice-admirals also possessed haki because it's a requirement, so they definitely have normal haki. While haki and rokushiki are related, we have seen they are still distinct things.

While Coby knew Soru, he didn't knew Tekkai or Rokuogan, which look a lot like CoA.

 

[Ramen]

So some have said that it's canon that it would take all 3 admirals to beat a yonko. Sounds like bullshit. Can anyone confirm?

Even Kaido (Strongest Yonko) would get stomped by all 3 OG admirals.

Fuck it, even 1 admiral would give a tough fight to any yonko.

 

[nik87]

So some have said that it's canon that it would take all 3 admirals to beat a yonko. Sounds like bullshit. Can anyone confirm?
Even Kaido (Strongest Yonko) would get stomped by all 3 OG admirals.
Fuck it, even 1 admiral would give a tough fight to any yonko.

4 Yonkos(including their crews) ~ Marines+7 Warlords
1 Yonko crew is nothing special. Their leader will have full hands with 1 Admiral, would get stomped by 2 Admirals ofc.
1 Yonko crew would have their hands full with 7 Warlords.
Marines are the greatest force among the 3, hard to tell who is better next, Shichibukais or one Yonko crew.

 

[Fox666]

Of course the Admirals are equal to the Yonko, that has been implied a few times in the series:

Spoiler

Besides this happened during the war in Marineford:

Spoiler

 

[Ramen]

4 Yonkos(including their crews) ~ Marines+7 Warlords
1 Yonko crew is nothing special. Their leader will have full hands with 1 Admiral, would get stomped by 2 Admirals ofc.
1 Yonko crew would have their hands full with 7 Warlords.
Marines are the greatest force among the 3, hard to tell who is better next, Shichibukais or one Yonko crew.

Exactly. I don't understand why people assume Kaido could solo the admirals

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4 Yonkos(including their crews) ~ Marines+7 Warlords
1 Yonko crew is nothing special. Their leader will have full hands with 1 Admiral, would get stomped by 2 Admirals ofc.
1 Yonko crew would have their hands full with 7 Warlords.
Marines are the greatest force among the 3, hard to tell who is better next, Shichibukais or one Yonko crew.

Depends on the crew. The only threat the warlords have I'd say are Mihawk. The others are strong guys like King, Marco, Katakuri should be above the rest.

 

[nik87]

Exactly. I don't understand why people assume Kaido could solo the admirals

Nobody can solo all 2 admirals alone, that's for sure. Yonkos soloing 1 admiral is doable but people like to debate it.
In Kaido's case, there is not much to debate considering he is the 1vs1 king.

Depends on the crew. The only threat the warlords have I'd say are Mihawk. The others are strong guys like King, Marco, Katakuri should be above the rest.

The thing is, once you look past the captain and 3 commanders, Yonko crews dont have much quality.
However, all 7 of the Warlords are troublesome individuals with insane powers to the point that numbers dont mean much against them.

 

[Ramen]

Nobody can solo all 2 admirals alone, that's for sure. Yonkos soloing 1 admiral is doable but people like to debate it.
In Kaido's case, there is not much to debate considering he is the 1vs1 king.

The thing is, once you look past the captain and 3 commanders, Yonko crews dont have much quality.
However, all 7 of the Warlords are troublesome individuals with insane powers to the point that numbers dont mean much against them.

Well BM's crew would beat the warlords I'd say. So would Kaido's crew... Especially if you count his alliance. Shanks could too.

BB is the only maybe.

 

[nik87]

Well BM's crew would beat the warlords I'd say. So would Kaido's crew... Especially if you count his alliance. Shanks could too.
BB is the only maybe.

From the latest chapter, Kaido implies that Warlords were the old force capable of stopping them.

Shichibukais have incredible AoE powers. Kuma and Hancock alone would rekt 90% of any crew with just one attack each.
Ursus Shock + whatever is the name of petrifying ability from Hancock(Mero Mero thing).
Add Crocodile's sandstorms, Jinbes fishman karate shockwaves, Doffy's parasite strings and you are probably left with less than 10 members of Yonko crew.
Moriah aint no joke if he actually uses a Shadow Asgard which he can control (less than 1k shadows) alongside his scissor swords, his prime supposedly was comparable to Kaido from 23 years ago. Kuma's DF is way to hax, Mihawk will deal with the captain...
Shichibukai's are a scary bunch. No wonder they are the 3rd balancing power. Question is, what did Vegapunk come up with to replace them...

 

[Nie Li]

There's a reason why the three big powers in the One Piece world were the marines, the yonkou and the shichibukai.
That's how the shichibukai were first introduced back at the east blue.
Not all of them are as strong as some others, but they're all monsters, and some are above monsters.

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Moriah aint no joke if he actually uses a Shadow Asgard which he can control (less than 1k shadows) alongside his scissor swords, his prime supposedly was comparable to Kaido from 23 years ago.

The problem with Moria is that the needs to collect the shadows, which implies just too much preparation time. And I think if the original owner of the shadow dies (which can happen just by walking into sunshine) so does his shadow.

Moria is very strong the way he was going in the Florian Triangle but his abilities need too much preparation for his power to be that impressive.

 

[M3J]

So some have said that it's canon that it would take all 3 admirals to beat a yonko. Sounds like bullshit. Can anyone confirm?

It's not canon, I'm assuming they're going by the Marineford War? It's not like Whitebeard or the admirals lost to each other, they were still fighting until Shanks came to end the war, not counting WHitebeard as Blackbeard's crew killed him. However, Whitebeard's been said to be the strongest out of all the Yonkou, so yeah. Although Whitebeard did look the best out of the four, he was still unable to beat the admirals decisively.

Plus, I think it depends more on the matchup and etc.

 

[King Moe]

So how strong you guys think Kong and Xebec are respectively?

 

[Fox666]

From the latest chapter, Kaido implies that Warlords were the old force capable of stopping them.

That would only be the case if Kaido said there was another force capable of stopping them.

Besides would that not contradict the already established difference between the Yonko and Shichibukai?

Doflamingo was crapping his pants when Law said Kaido would come after him, and Kaido himself mocked the Shichibukai:

That is no surprise, after seeing Kaido defeating Luffy with 1 hit.

Of course on theory the Shichibukai are 7 individuals with the strength of a Yonko commander if not more, and that would be annoying even for a Yonko to deal with.

 

[TrueRaiKage]

Well BM's crew would beat the warlords I'd say. So would Kaido's crew... Especially if you count his alliance. Shanks could too.

BB is the only maybe.

After BB either kills or recruits Moria his crew will be the strongest. Morias fruit puts BBs crew in the numbers. War with them would be an issue. Zombie hoard puts BB neck and neck with pleasures and chess pieces number wise. A few more key fruits and he wont be challengable by WG/Marine or yonko groups. Like seriously wherever he is headed its a problem bigger than wano. BB is clearly the smartest. BM the most powerful. Shanks the most knowledgeable. Kiado the most prepared. Luffy the most allies.

 

[nik87]

Besides would that not contradict the already established difference between the Yonko and Shichibukai?
Doflamingo was crapping his pants when Law said Kaido would come after him, and Kaido himself mocked the Shichibukai:

It requires all 7 Warlords to stop a Yonko crew. Doflamingo alone is of course nothing for entire Yonko crew but 7 of them are a comparable force.
Also, Shichibukais have been said before to be the force capable of stoping Yonkos. Afaik, when Kaido and BM meeting leaked the marines said that Warlords were one option of preventing it. Most of the Warlords have incredible crowd control abilities that can handle the huge numbers which the Yonko crew has.

 

[McNuss]

It's pretty simple.

Crazy drunk Mongol Warlord
Crazy drunk Hulk Hogan
Crazy obese women
The most piratey pirate ever
And a cripple who compares to all of the above.

Vs

Japanese actors in suits.

The majority of readers is easily fooled by appearances and like 90% of One Piece's reception is purely emotion based.

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

It's not canon, I'm assuming they're going by the Marineford War?

I guess someone just concluded it from the "Three Great Powers" model as it was introduced in the manga. I also checked the "Three great Powers" article in the OP wikia and found the following "Considering that these organizations are stated to be a balance and the fact that the loss of Crocodile threatened the balance, it is likely they are approximately equivalent in strength". So i guess it was not stated directly, yet. Of course OP wikia is fanmade and does not include all the details, but Imo people there are doing a pretty good job on the articles.

 

[M3J]

I guess someone just concluded it from the "Three Great Powers" model as it was introduced in the manga. I also checked the "Three great Powers" article in the OP wikia and found the following "Considering that these organizations are stated to be a balance and the fact that the loss of Crocodile threatened the balance, it is likely they are approximately equivalent in strength". So i guess it was not stated directly, yet. Of course OP wikia is fanmade and does not include all the details, but Imo people there are doing a pretty good job on the articles.

If they cite manga or databook source, then it's probably legit. I don't think they're really equivalent though, it's more of an open-ended thing.

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

Yes, I think the WG was more concerned about the reputation of the three powers being tarnished (especially since they were openly and directly supporting the Shichibukai) rather than the disruption of power balance.

 

[Fox666]

Yeah, the World Government wants to keep up appearances. Moriah wouldn't disrupt the balance, but the World Government made the public believe it would.