One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Fox666]

This is the most insane post I have ever seen.

I’m not sure what the most amazing thing is. Is it out of pure sexism, putting Bonney on the bottom despite claiming how supernova captains are on another level in the very next chapter ? Is it the weird disrespect of Bege ? Is it putting Killer above Zoro ?

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Honestly Apoo blocking Drake and Zoro struck me as comedy more than anything else.

And honestly I know he is an important character and a fan favourite but based on feats Law shouldn’t really be one of the top supernova.

Boney has a low record. She didn't fight the Pacifista, and was captured by Blackbeard.

 

[LadyVados]

Boney has a low record. She didn't fight the Pacifista, and was captured by Blackbeard.

I was just pointing out how it contradicted his next sentence.

 

[albertwv]

Each time I see the next chapter, I keep being surprise on what I see with certain character. I have say it before and I will keep saying it again: Apoo Top 5 Supernovas!

1. Luffy
2. Kidd
3. Law
4. Apoo
5. Urouge
6. Drake
7. Hawkins
8. Killer
9. Zoro
10. Bege
11. Bonney.

Spoiler

Oda really pushing Apoo to be more capable than we all thought. To block both Zoro (getting more serious with Haki and named attacks) and Hybrid Drake attacks with one hand simultaneously and keeping on attacking and defending really shows Supernova Captains especially him are no joke. Like how Oda is pushing Supernova Captains to be something else individuality and all.

Dude, can you make it more obvious on how much you hate Zolo.
Zolo has defeated Killer before and this was not even serious Zolo. Once he got a little bit serious and with a 3rd "sword" and being distracted by Gyukimaru, Killer stabbed Zolo but Zolo quickly turned the tables. Killer seem pretty conscious of himself.
Hawkins lost 1 life from fighting Zolo. Zolo only took damage to protect Luffy and Otama.

You mentioned Apoo blocking Drake and Zolo, that doesnt necessarily mean Apoo >>. Look at Jimbei vs BM, Jimbei blocked BM and even pushed her out, does that mean he is stronger? No.

Just admit you hate Zolo.

 

[goldb]

Dude, can you make it more obvious on how much you hate Zolo.
Zolo has defeated Killer before and this was not even serious Zolo. Once he got a little bit serious and with a 3rd "sword" and being distracted by Gyukimaru, Killer stabbed Zolo but Zolo quickly turned the tables. Killer seem pretty conscious of himself.
Hawkins lost 1 life from fighting Zolo. Zolo only took damage to protect Luffy and Otama.

You mentioned Apoo blocking Drake and Zolo, that doesnt necessarily mean Apoo >>. Look at Jimbei vs BM, Jimbei blocked BM and even pushed her out, does that mean he is stronger? No.

Just admit you hate Zolo.

But you see, to nobody else but Moe, Zoro passing out after defeating Killer means that he also lost. Which means it's a draw, but Killer is stronger, because he was nerfed and therefore affected his physical strength and made him unable to parry or recover after the attack.

I mean, posts like these gets a reaction from users so he knows exactly what he's doing.

Anyway that list is basically a subjective preference of characters rather than being anywhere near objective in terms of character strength.

 

[LadyVados]

The official translation makes it sound like Marco was not bothered at all by Mom grabbing him.

More evidence for them being about equal.

 

[LaGOAT]

The official translation makes it sound like Marco was not bothered at all by Mom grabbing him.

More evidence for them being about equal.

Who?

 

[Ramen]

Dude, can you make it more obvious on how much you hate Zolo.
Zolo has defeated Killer before and this was not even serious Zolo. Once he got a little bit serious and with a 3rd "sword" and being distracted by Gyukimaru, Killer stabbed Zolo but Zolo quickly turned the tables. Killer seem pretty conscious of himself.
Hawkins lost 1 life from fighting Zolo. Zolo only took damage to protect Luffy and Otama.

You mentioned Apoo blocking Drake and Zolo, that doesnt necessarily mean Apoo >>. Look at Jimbei vs BM, Jimbei blocked BM and even pushed her out, does that mean he is stronger? No.

Just admit you hate Zolo.

Are you still getting flustered over Moe's posts? Dude.......the number of times he contradicts himself is enough to just laugh inside.

 

[goldb]

The official translation makes it sound like Marco was not bothered at all by Mom grabbing him.

More evidence for them being about equal.

Well, he wasn't being strangled to death there and then.

I don't think they're anywhere near equal. Neither of them seemed particularly like they were going all now, even less so Big Mom. Seeing at how quickly she left for more "important" things. Otherwise I'm sure she could've ended him herself without asking her son to do the honours.

 

[hokageji]

I think i would put the supernova in the following order:
1. Luffy/ Kidd
3. Law
4. Urouge
5. Drake / Apoo
6. Urouge
7. Hawkins
8. Zoro
9. Killer
10. Bege
11. Bonney...


My explanation:
I am ranking Luffy and Kidd near equals assuming pre Wano levels or current arc and the fact that Luffy will need a rival to surpass, and Kidd seems on par on those terms. If Law had conquerors, things would've been different.Law has to be the 3rd strongest.

Urouge is the only other supernova known to take down a Yonko commander. His ability allows him to keep taking damage and turn it against others (iirc). He's gonna be an important pirate for the Elbaf arc so we'll see a stronger him with all his abilites there.

Apoo's ability is harder to counter for anyone, that makes him a difficult opponent but i also think Hawkins has the benefit of a great zoan ability and 15 years of marine training. That cannot be ignored.

Hawkins and Zoro are interchangeble but DF ability gives him superiority.

Zoro has to be above Killer cos i dont want Zoro fans upset... ot wait, he's no.8 so no escaping that... but yea, its a close call between him and Killer.

Bege has an amazing DF for defense, but his ability makes him vulernable to attacks. Considering power scale, i see his limits. If we consider the people he can have inside as arsenal, he can be higher..

Bonney's lack of offensive showdown has to rank her at number 10.

 

[albertwv]

I think i would put the supernova in the following order:
1. Luffy/ Kidd
3. Law
4. Urouge
5. Drake / Apoo
6. Urouge
7. Hawkins
8. Zoro
9. Killer
10. Bege
11. Bonney...


My explanation:
I am ranking Luffy and Kidd near equals assuming pre Wano levels or current arc and the fact that Luffy will need a rival to surpass, and Kidd seems on par on those terms. If Law had conquerors, things would've been different.Law has to be the 3rd strongest.

Urouge is the only other supernova known to take down a Yonko commander. His ability allows him to keep taking damage and turn it against others (iirc). He's gonna be an important pirate for the Elbaf arc so we'll see a stronger him with all his abilites there.

Apoo's ability is harder to counter for anyone, that makes him a difficult opponent but i also think Hawkins has the benefit of a great zoan ability and 15 years of marine training. That cannot be ignored.

Hawkins and Zoro are interchangeble but DF ability gives him superiority.

Zoro has to be above Killer cos i dont want Zoro fans upset... ot wait, he's no.8 so no escaping that... but yea, its a close call between him and Killer.

Bege has an amazing DF for defense, but his ability makes him vulernable to attacks. Considering power scale, i see his limits. If we consider the people he can have inside as arsenal, he can be higher..

Bonney's lack of offensive showdown has to rank her at number 10.

Luffy is on his own, he has surprassed all the Supernovas by so much. Until a Supernova defeats a YC1 or YC3 level, then you can put them equal to Luffy.
I dont care if Kidd and Law are the WB and Shiki to Luffy's roger. Currently they are not near him. Also we have yet to see how strong Kid and Law currently are.

I agree with Urouge's standing, though we dont know how strong Snack was compared to anyone else but we can imagine he was weaker than Cracker so below Doffy's level.
Drake should be higher than Apoo. Drake was in the Flying 6 and Apoo wasnt and I believe that ranks him higher in the Beasts Pirates than a regular Headliner since it is apparent that strength is the hierarchy within the crew. I could be wrong...
I say Apoo and Hawkins are about the same.
Zolo is stronger than Hawkins. I dont know why we are still disputing this.
And of course Zolo is stronger than Killer, please dont mention otherwise.

Bege and Bonney I dont really care for

 

[M3J]

I'd love to rank as well but I don't remember most things in the manga. Luffy's easily at the top though, even if he's not the strongest, simply by his actions. No one else invaded an Emperor's territory and made it out alive and got away with it, and just to save one person. He and Kidd I believe are the only ones that challenged Yonkou that didn't side with them at any point.

 

[LaGOAT]

It’s simple
Luffy
Law
Kidd(base on hype alone feats ain’t enough)
Urouge
Apoo
Drake
Zoro
Hawkins
Killer
Bege
Bonney

this can change later as the chapters comes in

 

[LadyVados]

Until a Supernova defeats a YC1 or YC3 level, then you can put them equal to Luffy.

Coming Soon

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

Urouge is the only other supernova known to take down a Yonko commander. His ability allows him to keep taking damage and turn it against others (iirc). He's gonna be an important pirate for the Elbaf arc so we'll see a stronger him with all his abilites there.

Apoo's ability is harder to counter for anyone, that makes him a difficult opponent but i also think Hawkins has the benefit of a great zoan ability and 15 years of marine training. That cannot be ignored.

What does Urouge have to do with Elbaf? Didn't we think that he's a Skypiean?

Also, Hawkins is a Zoan? I thought he was Paramecia...

 

[LadyVados]

What does Urouge have to do with Elbaf? Didn't we think that he's a Skypiean?

Also, Hawkins is a Zoan? I thought he was Paramecia...

I think he assumed Urouge was a giant because he’s big and confused Drake with Hawkins

 

[King Moe]

Dude, can you make it more obvious on how much you hate Zolo.
Zolo has defeated Killer before and this was not even serious Zolo. Once he got a little bit serious and with a 3rd "sword" and being distracted by Gyukimaru, Killer stabbed Zolo but Zolo quickly turned the tables. Killer seem pretty conscious of himself.
Hawkins lost 1 life from fighting Zolo. Zolo only took damage to protect Luffy and Otama.

You mentioned Apoo blocking Drake and Zolo, that doesnt necessarily mean Apoo >>. Look at Jimbei vs BM, Jimbei blocked BM and even pushed her out, does that mean he is stronger? No.

Just admit you hate Zolo.

Your the one stating 'ZoLo' in your posts, so Idk if your honest or your trolling by calling him that.

Also Zoro is still struggling with Apoo and yet you think he is strongest than most of the Supernovas? Again, your words doesn't match what manga is pushing. It's one to be fanboy, it's another to be biased and not accept Zoro is not that high up among Supernovas. He proven nothing on beating fresh Killer nor he beaten Hawkins at all either. He will stay below them all until we actually see him being better, but so far he isn't doing much at all. Also lol BM felt nothing from Jimbei, he did nothing to her and he was teaming against her with others. not solo fight. Your examples are stretching and missing the point on how to scale others and Zoro on how things have shown have no reason to be stronger than them.

 

[hokageji]

Urouge is the only other supernova known to take down a Yonko commander. His ability allows him to keep taking damage and turn it against others (iirc). He's gonna be an important pirate for the Elbaf arc so we'll see a stronger him with all his abilites there.

What does Urouge have to do with Elbaf? Didn't we think that he's a Skypiean?

Also, Hawkins is a Zoan? I thought he was Paramecia...

I should've been more clear. I predict Elbaf to be a sky island, staying a little true to the jack and the beanstalk world. The strawhats have encountered every supernova except him and Bonney in the new world, so one of them atleast is next, and its likely Urouge will appear in the next arc, which would be Elbaf.
Hawkins being a zoan is a typo, i mean he has a great DF ability.
Also, Hawkins has the 3rd highest bounty originally from the supernovas, higher than law.

I think he assumed Urouge was a giant because he’s big and confused Drake with Hawkins

No, Urouge is clearly a Birkan or sky islander, but we did see him take damage and grow stronger. We saw Drake's attack allowed him to grow his muscles and made him stronger.

 

[King Moe]

Coming Soon

I prefer this type of fight:

Queen vs Zoro though will be amazing too though, so don't worry.

 

[hokageji]

Also Zoro is still struggling with Apoo and yet you think he is strongest than most of the Supernovas? Again, your words doesn't match what manga is pushing. It's one to be fanboy, it's another to be biased and not accept Zoro is not that high up among Supernovas. He proven nothing on beating fresh Killer nor he beaten Hawkins at all either. He will stay below them all until we actually see him being better, but so far he isn't doing much at all. Also lol BM felt nothing from Jimbei, he did nothing to her and he was teaming against her with others. not solo fight. Your examples are stretching and missing the point on how to scale others and Zoro on how things have shown have no reason to be stronger than them.

where did you get Zoro struggling against Apoo? So did Luffy and Kidd. We saw Zoro attack Apoo and Apoo running away but nothing suggests he struggled.

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I prefer this type of fight:

Queen vs Zoro though will be amazing too though, so don't worry.

We all saw how that ended.

 

[King Moe]

It’s simple
Luffy
Law
Kidd(base on hype alone feats ain’t enough)
Urouge
Apoo
Drake
Zoro
Hawkins
Killer
Bege
Bonney

this can change later as the chapters comes in

Happy someone acknowledge Zoro isn't Top 5 Supernovas and using logic from what the manga is showing.

Are you still getting flustered over Moe's posts? Dude.......the number of times he contradicts himself is enough to just laugh inside.

Headcannon rent in your mind must be nice especially when you hurt your own arguments? You do realize I am not only one who lists Zoro not in top 5 from looking at other lists. Guess they contradicting your own ideals too .