One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[hokageji]

I think there's enough in the manga to prove that Jinbe is probably Yonko commander level:

then, by your definition, shouldn't Zoro be too? He faced an admiral as well?

I am just using Jinbei as an example to say the points you put forward are flawed. Sure, Jinbei being an ex shichibukai and fought Ace, a YC one on one is better proof than a small skirmish with an admiral.

I dont think Kaido even needs the title of strongest pirate to be stronger than Mihawk. After everything we've seen

 

[Fox666]

sanji never easily broke through bleuno's tekkai

he was struggling with and had to get in multiple hits to possible get through it , blueno did get worried
but he went from that to matching jyabura who was 2.5 stronger in base , without adding his zoan enhancement in just an arc

There's nothing strange about Sanji defeating Jabra.

Sanji wasn't ready for Tekkai, but Blueno felt his second kick:

With Jabra, he used a barrage of kicks right away:

 

[Shasha23]

i don't think that was the case that he was incapacitated , he wasn't knocked out , sanji and co just escaped and he and the germa just were not the focus of the story

Oven was leading the family to capture/kill Luffy, he got taken out and thanks to Brulle's power he was able to catch up to them hours later after he recovered a bit, your speculations and desires do not trump the facts my good man.

 

[Fox666]

then, by your definition, shouldn't Zoro be too? He faced an admiral as well?

But Zoro didn't accomplish anything against Fujitora...

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LMAO , there is no fucking way zoro is magically just stronger than king ,beckman, katakuri and marco

he's never been forced to grow at all most of the timeskip , him waking up stronger than those guys even with enma is hilarious , Zoro might have enma but he's not oden level strong
also law would have trashed pica just as easy , doesn't mean he's yc1 level , pica is an executive of a dude who was yc2/3 level , pica is wayyyyyy below yc3 level , laughably below

I don't want to be condescending, but thinking that Zoro or Sanji could fight the Yonko commanders means a serious lack of understanding of the story.

The strength of a Yonko commander was fundamental for the Whole Cake arc. If Zoro or Sanji could fight them, Luffy's progress don't make sense.

 

[Shasha23]

But Zoro didn't accomplish anything against Fujitora...

Not only did Zoro force his way out of the gravity power he also pushed back Fujitora and made the admiral warn everyone to back off since Zoro was dangerous

I don't want to be condescending, but thinking that Zoro or Sanji could fight the Yonko commanders means a serious lack of understanding of the story.

The strength of a Yonko commander was fundamental for the Whole Cake arc. If Zoro or Sanji could fight them, Luffy's progress don't make sense.

From Zoro's showing vs Fujitora is proof enough he is YC level, heck he did better than the majority of Whitebeards commanders vs an admiral, while during WCI Sanji was far from a YC, his RS boosted him enough to fight one.

You are seriously underestimating the crew to levels i dont understand.

So Zoro and Sanji being able to fight YC takes away from Luffy in your eyes because Luffy did it and they havent? have you forgotten before Luffy did it he also never fought one before LOL .
Zoro has improved his advanced CoA and has received a high-level sword that can cut Kaido, Sanji has received battle armor that can tank YC level attacks without a problem and that suit has boosted all his other stats to 11, just face reality already!

People like Jack or Cracker shouldn't be a problem for Zoro or Sanji, the only problem is that can they match people like Marco, King or Katakuri

 

[LadyVados]

So either Mihawk is a dog

He is a dog but he is top 1. Akainu and Shanks are WG dogs too, so what ?

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But Zoro didn't accomplish anything against Fujitora...

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I don't want to be condescending, but thinking that Zoro or Sanji could fight the Yonko commanders means a serious lack of understanding of the story.

The strength of a Yonko commander was fundamental for the Whole Cake arc. If Zoro or Sanji could fight them, Luffy's progress don't make sense.

Zoro beat Pica who was stronger than Vergo who is YC4 level.

Zoro > Pica > Vergo > Sanji < Judge = Snack.

Heck Vergo didn't even use his full power against Sanji, he's probably above YC4 level.

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Mihawk never does any pirate-ey things according to your logic.

 

[Pirate Queen]

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[LadyVados]

Nobody except crazy people actually believes Mihawk is Vista level that's just a joke like Usopp and Buggy and Condoriano being the strongest in the verse or Zoro being weaker than gifters or Sengoku's goat being Imu's Zoan form or Ramen Guy being > Kaguya.

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Heck Marco did better against BM than Vista did against Mihawk, might as well say BM is Marco level.

 

[Shasha23]

Nobody except crazy people actually believes Mihawk is Vista level that's just a joke like Usopp and Buggy and Condoriano being the strongest in the verse or Zoro being weaker than gifters or Sengoku's goat being Imu's Zoan form or Ramen Guy being > Kaguya.

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Heck Marco did better against BM than Vista did against Mihawk, might as well say BM is Marco level.

If only Nik was still around this would have been extremely fun

 

[LadyVados]

Jozu who is weaker than Vista managed to draw blood from Aokiji- a yonko level fighter yet Vista couldn't even scratch Mihawk.

 

[albertwv]

Not only did Zoro force his way out of the gravity power he also pushed back Fujitora and made the admiral warn everyone to back off since Zoro was dangerous



From Zoro's showing vs Fujitora is proof enough he is YC level, heck he did better than the majority of Whitebeards commanders vs an admiral, while during WCI Sanji was far from a YC, his RS boosted him enough to fight one.

You are seriously underestimating the crew to levels i dont understand.

So Zoro and Sanji being able to fight YC takes away from Luffy in your eyes because Luffy did it and they havent? have you forgotten before Luffy did it he also never fought one before LOL .
Zoro has improved his advanced CoA and has received a high-level sword that can cut Kaido, Sanji has received battle armor that can tank YC level attacks without a problem and that suit has boosted all his other stats to 11, just face reality already!

People like Jack or Cracker shouldn't be a problem for Zoro or Sanji, the only problem is that can they match people like Marco, King or Katakuri

Zolo vs Fuji is no proof that he is YC.

Luffy is the main character we expect him to show power ups but not ass pulls like Natsu or Goku.
Luffy fought Doflamingo, Cracker, and Katakuri. That is progress. I wish he would fight another YC1 before fighting any Yonko but Oda is rushing it.
Zolo and Sanji have not gotten a 1v1 agaisnt any real opponent that pushed them to become better. SO for them to fight YCs at this point is far reaching. Maybe they do need to catch up to Luffy's level or near but not pulling ass pulls.
Zolo and Sanji should've had a 1v1 with YEs (Yonko Executives) with no off screening to show progress.

 

[LadyVados]

Zolo and Sanji should've had a 1v1 with YEs (Yonko Executives) with no off screening to show progress.

Zoro already destroyed someone (Pica) who is stronger than a Yonko's 4th commander. Why would he need to fight YEs ?

 

[Shasha23]

Zolo vs Fuji is no proof that he is YC.

Luffy is the main character we expect him to show power ups but not ass pulls like Natsu or Goku.
Luffy fought Doflamingo, Cracker, and Katakuri. That is progress. I wish he would fight another YC1 before fighting any Yonko but Oda is rushing it.
Zolo and Sanji have not gotten a 1v1 agaisnt any real opponent that pushed them to become better. SO for them to fight YCs at this point is far reaching. Maybe they do need to catch up to Luffy's level or near but not pulling ass pulls.
Zolo and Sanji should've had a 1v1 with YEs (Yonko Executives) with no off screening to show progress.

How so? Zoro's showing vs Fujitora was far better than Whitebeards commanders by default that is proof enough that at that point he was already commander level!

Before Luffy fought a commander he hadn't fought any before, same rules apply to Zoro and Sanji, just because they haven't fought a commander yet doesn't mean they cant!
How would it be an asspull for them to fight commanders? what your saying makes no sense at all.
As pointed out Zoro was capable of making Fujitora take his strength seriously and by him saying everyone must back off he proved that even the VA there were not his match only he could deal with Zoro, yet Whitebeards commanders where no match for admirals some even couldnt beat VA but Fujitora just admitted Zoro was above the VA he had there, proving Zoro's strength.
Sanji before RS was probably equal or little weaker than Daifuku and Oven people who are probably YC4, but with RS his power should be far above YC4, so why cant he beat a YC when he has the power to do so?

In the end, your wishful thinking wont work since Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe will beat commander level people this arc and it wont matter how much you say otherwise the fact is they have the power to fight them and have a chance of beating them that is all that matters in the end!

 

[Fox666]

Mihawk never does any pirate-ey things according to your logic.

While Mihawk don't seem to take his job as a pirate working for the government seriously, he's still officially a pirate.

Heck Marco did better against BM than Vista did against Mihawk, might as well say BM is Marco level.

Marco's flames could block Akainu's magma, it wasn't a surprise that he surpassed Promotheus' flames.

Jozu who is weaker than Vista managed to draw blood from Aokiji- a yonko level fighter yet Vista couldn't even scratch Mihawk.

Aokiji is not invulnerable like Kaido or Big Mom.

 

[LadyVados]

While Mihawk don't seem to take his job as a pirate working for the government seriously, he's still officially a pirate.


Marco's flames could block Akainu's magma, it wasn't a surprise that he surpassed Promotheus' flames.


Aokiji is not invulnerable like Kaido or Big Mom.

Aokiji, Big Mom, Kaido, Akainu, Shanks, Kizaru, Blackbeard, Whitebeard, Oden, Roger, Garp, Sengoku, Mihawk.

Only one of these characters has never bled even once on panel. Guess who ?

 

[Fox666]

Aokiji, Big Mom, Kaido, Akainu, Shanks, Kizaru, Blackbeard, Whitebeard, Oden, Roger, Garp, Sengoku, Mihawk.

Only one of these characters has never bled even once on panel. Guess who ?

Mihawk because he barely appeared in the manga?

That would be the answer you are looking for, but I don't remember Big Mom, Roger or Sengoku bleeding.

 

[Pro Ban Corps]

Aokiji, Big Mom, Kaido, Akainu, Shanks, Kizaru, Blackbeard, Whitebeard, Oden, Roger, Garp, Sengoku, Mihawk.

Only one of these characters has never bled even once on panel. Guess who ?

I was anime only at marineford but...
Let me just jump in here, Akainu, BM(when she scrapped her knee), Garp(when sengoku held him) and obviously Oden.

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??? Did people expect Mihawk to be stronger than Kaidou? Why?

What’s his name (actually forgot his handle )thinks a sword wielding fighter can kill anyone in the manga.
Mihawk will probably scar kaidou but he’s getting battered.

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then, by your definition, shouldn't Zoro be too? He faced an admiral as well?

I am just using Jinbei as an example to say the points you put forward are flawed. Sure, Jinbei being an ex shichibukai and fought Ace, a YC one on one is better proof than a small skirmish with an admiral.

I dont think Kaido even needs the title of strongest pirate to be stronger than Mihawk. After everything we've seen

This is funny... jimbei faced the strongest of the admirals, faced a yonko and managed to push her back. Something all the other SH couldn’t manage.

it took luffy and Sanji to stop BM, but in Wano, Jimbe was able to also stop BM attacking people.

 

[Shasha23]

What’s his name (actually forgot his handle )thinks a sword wielding fighter can kill anyone in the manga.
Mihawk will probably scar kaidou but he’s getting battered.

Kaido is the Worlds Strongest Creature no one in the verse can hope to beat him 1 v 1
Mihawk is Worlds Strongest Swordsman so one one in the verse using a sword can hope to beat him

But saying Kaido can batter Mihawk is just BS, both of them hold tittle of strongest in the world i dont see one battering the other like you are implying. If it was Shanks or Blackbeard then sure they would get battered since they are not the strongest in the world but it would be impossible for people with such tittles to be far above the other, I dont see Kaido being far above Whitebeard 2 years back for him to batter him nor do i see Kaido being far above Mihawk to batter him currently

 

[LadyVados]

Kaido is the Worlds Strongest Creature no one in the verse can hope to beat him 1 v 1
Mihawk is Worlds Strongest Swordsman so one one in the verse using a sword can hope to beat him

But saying Kaido can batter Mihawk is just BS, both of them hold tittle of strongest in the world i dont see one battering the other like you are implying. If it was Shanks or Blackbeard then sure they would get battered since they are not the strongest in the world but it would be impossible for people with such tittles to be far above the other, I dont see Kaido being far above Whitebeard 2 years back for him to batter him nor do i see Kaido being far above Mihawk to batter him currently

Don’t get me wrong I don’t think Mihawk would batter Kaido. It would be an epic battle that would last days and could go either way but I think he’d edge it.

Don’t forget the ‘people say’.

If there had been no people say then I would rate him above Mihawk.

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Reddit

I just met an idiot there who thinks Sanji >>> Zoro. And he got a tonne of upvotes.

 

[Pro Ban Corps]

Kaido is the Worlds Strongest Creature no one in the verse can hope to beat him 1 v 1
Mihawk is Worlds Strongest Swordsman so one one in the verse using a sword can hope to beat him

But saying Kaido can batter Mihawk is just BS, both of them hold tittle of strongest in the world i dont see one battering the other like you are implying. If it was Shanks or Blackbeard then sure they would get battered since they are not the strongest in the world but it would be impossible for people with such tittles to be far above the other, I dont see Kaido being far above Whitebeard 2 years back for him to batter him nor do i see Kaido being far above Mihawk to batter him currently

Okayy maybe batter wasn’t the right word, but take Wano for example. These guys 9v1 and they’re no pushovers. Kaido has already done them in.
What I said did imply Mihawk will injure Him but to beat him? Na highly doubt that.