One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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• We will strive to avoid repetitive discussions and any extensive battle topics will be guided to the Davy Back fight to existing threads or new ones can be made there.

As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[XXGenesis]

Where does the top tier end at...What # Top20/25 or 30.

I would say Top tier begins at the commander lv 3. Or 2..Ppl like Cracker, Doffy, & Ace, Jozu etc...above mentioned probably don’t make it to Top20

So Katakuri makes my top tier.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

Do you think Big Mom and Kaido have the advanced version of all 3 hakis ?
Big Mom was born a monster so I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't need anything more than the basics to reach her Yonko level.
And the way Kaido keep calling it "Oden's Ryou" make it seems he doesn't use Advanced CoA too

 

[M3J]

I think Big Mom has an advanced version of hardening, based on her defense. Kaidou I'm not sure, maybe a combo of both? I mean, he did get hurt, and he wasn't able to predict attacks, so.

 

[Demonspeed]

Both probably have advanced CoA and CoC. They don't seem particularly good at CoO. Big Mom was the only one to show a different use of CoC with her scream.

Where does the top tier end at...What # Top20/25 or 30.

I would say Top tier begins at the commander lv 3. Or 2..Ppl like Cracker, Doffy, & Ace, Jozu etc...above mentioned probably don’t make it to Top20

So Katakuri makes my top tier.

Yonkou, Admirals, Fleet Admiral and Garp are the top tier IMO. I wouldn't call Commanders top tiers when they can get easily defeated by the Yonkou.

 

[HereNThere]

Katakuri's top tier. Don't know how he compares to his YC peers, but he's significantly stronger than the Multitude of other characters in this series.

 

[Ramen]

Do you think Big Mom and Kaido have the advanced version of all 3 hakis ?
Big Mom was born a monster so I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't need anything more than the basics to reach her Yonko level.
And the way Kaido keep calling it "Oden's Ryou" make it seems he doesn't use Advanced CoA too

I'd expect them to tbh

 

[albertwv]

People are fighting over who is Top tier and God Tier, so maybe we should start creating a system to place them on. They do not have to be particularly from strongest to weakest inside their respective "tier".

Classes could be S, A, B, C, D,

 

[Ramen]

People are fighting over who is Top tier and God Tier, so maybe we should start creating a system to place them on. They do not have to be particularly from strongest to weakest inside their respective "tier".

Classes could be S, A, B, C, D,

Katakuri would be A.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 20, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 20, 2020 ---

@King Moe Just for the sake of it, you really need to stop comparing Sanji/Zoro to Naruto/Sasuke. Naruto has been stronger since early Shippuden and Sasuke has never caught up.

 

[M3J]

Both probably have advanced CoA and CoC. They don't seem particularly good at CoO. Big Mom was the only one to show a different use of CoC with her scream.



Yonkou, Admirals, Fleet Admiral and Garp are the top tier IMO. I wouldn't call Commanders top tiers when they can get easily defeated by the Yonkou.

I think Kaidou and Big Mom's CoO might be weak because they don't need it due to their defense and/or ability to tank damage. Wonder if CoO is a huge part in beating Kaidou along with ability to do internal damage or have overwhelming strength like Garp.

I'd venture admirals are on the same tier as the Yonkou.

People are fighting over who is Top tier and God Tier, so maybe we should start creating a system to place them on. They do not have to be particularly from strongest to weakest inside their respective "tier".

Classes could be S, A, B, C, D,

We already did this somewhere in the thread, I think there are even pictures.

Katakuri and Luffy are on A tier. Luffy after training with Hyogoro is probably above Katakuri but still A tier, but that depends on whether he can hit Katakuri with ryou consistently.

 

[McNuss]

People are fighting over who is Top tier and God Tier, so maybe we should start creating a system to place them on. They do not have to be particularly from strongest to weakest inside their respective "tier".

Classes could be S, A, B, C, D,

You are never, ever, ever going to get a sufficient tier list with just 5 tiers.

Actually just ranking the characters from Romance Dawn arc already creates more.

If you really want to find out who is a top tier and who isn't, you will at least require twice the alphabet, probably more.

 

[Nie Li]

You lost credibility when you told me Zoro will one-shot Magellen despite how diverse his poison is and ignoring his swords will melt if he touch him.

1- This is a lie. I never said Zoro one-shots him and I talked about fighting long range, not about his swords touching him. I was very clear about my points and my posts are there if you want to read them back and understand them.

2- That's an entirely different topic and a dirty way to avoid what I said.

Also what you mean. I stated whether we think it's Canon or Non-Canon the Anime give portrayal Sanji is above T6H just like in manga whether he beats Drake or PO, it pushes narrative on that. Your really grasping on straws for your own dislike of a character, huh?

Whether I like Sanji or not has nothing to do with my post. Actually, Sanji has nothing to do with my post.

In my post, I talked about your arguments.

You said "Sanji defeated Drake in the anime", and, as you usually say, "Oda approves what happens in the anime so it's canon". However, Page One was perfectly fine after fighting Sanji in the anime, and there you switched to "Page One was defeated by Sanji in the manga (which is a lie either way), so it doesn't matter that Sanji failed to defeat him in the anime".

This is what I mean: you cherrypick your points as best suits Sanji in a dishonest way, and this time you made it too obvious by doing this in a single sentence.

Here's what you said: "Already Anime whether Canon or Non-Canon says he can beat Drake and took out PO in manga".
In a single sentence, you take a feat from the anime because Sanji looks better than he did in the manga, and ignore the other feat because Sanji looked worse in the anime version.

Recently, you have even been insisting that even filler fights from Enies Lobby are somehow canon despite what the manga showed, yet you somehow entirely deny that Sanji vs PO in the anime can be canon because Sanji doesn't stomp him.

You can be as much of a hardcore Sanji fan that you want, and you can hate on Zoro as much as you want, but please be consistent on your claims.

Either way, as usual, anime is not considered canon for our discussions here (because it's not) at all. Only if Oda says something is canon will it be considered canon. Until Oda says something about any specific scene, episode or movie, only the manga is.

 

[albertwv]

For the tier system, we can have a high and low class to atleast differentiate between the characters.
Someone mentioned Katakuri would be an A class, I agree and to add on he would be a high A class. Current Luffy would be high A class as well, UNTIL Luffy shows us otherwise and im sure he will soon but as of rn he is just above Katakuri.

Moe, has tried so many times to downplay Zolo, his most recent was with Apoo. Since Apoo was able to cut and defend from Zolo, Moe claimed Apoo > Zolo. BUT, we quickly saw how Zolo was able to take down Apoo in one slash. Oh and where is Sanji at? Being held down by a one of the Flying 6.

 

[Ramen]

Moe, has tried so many times to downplay Zolo, his most recent was with Apoo.

Why do you still call him Zolo?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Why do you still call him Zolo?

Viz and Shounen Jump still call him Zolo. Its just a personal choice thing, I'm assuming

 

[Ramen]

Viz and Shounen Jump still call him Zolo. Its just a personal choice thing, I'm assuming

Oh they do? I don't mind but I found it interesting.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Oh they do? I don't mind but I found it interesting.

Its stupid. They won't correct their mistakes almost 100 volumes in lol.

Thats why we still have CatViper for Nekomushi going around lol

 

[XXGenesis]

For the tier system, we can have a high and low class to atleast differentiate between the characters.
Someone mentioned Katakuri would be an A class, I agree and to add on he would be a high A class. Current Luffy would be high A class as well, UNTIL Luffy shows us otherwise and im sure he will soon but as of rn he is just above Katakuri.

I personally hate the Alphabet Tier List; I think it’s the same even if you add highs and lows...Characters that are distinctly weaker or stronger will be in the same tier....A-E/F imo just isn’t enough.

Also Titles for tiers help understand placement imo..Instead of having characters occupy the same tiers that shouldn’t

 

[albertwv]

Why do you still call him Zolo?

Im from the USA. I grew up reading English only volumes of One Piece. I prefer it that way. I prefer Catviper over Nekomamushi or Dogstorm because its english. You could say I am uncultured. It bothers me when they use the honorifics such as "san, chan, nii, ya, kun, etc" Im not too sure what they all mean. But I respect the Japanese language.
p.s. I am actually glad OP is one of the few mangas that does not use normal Japanese names, it is easier for me to remember names and not get mixed up on whats their first or last name. For Example, MHA: Izuku Midoriya, reading that name I would not know what is his first name because he gets called both Midoriya and Izuku so it confuses the shit out of me.

Okay enough side rant.
So I guess the Alphabet Tier system does not clearly work here.

 

[Nie Li]

Have you learned nothing of Japanese Lore after Kaido has Fish DF based on that? If so, Orochi is going to be like real life lore and regenerate too and Buggy's is more splitting then regenerating. Not really the same thing.

Since this is just a dream match-up that has nothing to do with what's going on in the manga, I'll anwer you here and avoid derrailing the chapter thread.

The galls that you have to bring up Japanese Lore when you're mistaking the Yamata no Orochi and the Hydra from Greek Mythology.

In Japanese Lore, Yamata no Orochi was defeated by being sliced up in pieces by Susanoo. Which means it's the fruit of a beast that was slain by Zoro's specialty if you're going by its lore, and it's in the hands of Orochi, who isn't a warrior and is likely to not even capable of using any haki. Someone who has always needed strong bodyguards because he's not capable himself, not to mention a coward.

It would be a low-diff for Zoro.

If Orochi is still alive, he better stays away from him.

 

[albertwv]

Since this is just a dream match-up that has nothing to do with what's going on in the manga, I'll anwer you here and avoid derrailing the chapter thread.

The galls that you have to bring up Japanese Lore when you're mistaking the Yamata no Orochi and the Hydra from Greek Mythology.

In Japanese Lore, Yamata no Orochi was defeated by being sliced up in pieces by Susanoo. Which means it's the fruit of a beast that was slain by Zoro's specialty if you're going by its lore, and it's in the hands of Orochi, who isn't a warrior and is likely to not even capable of using any haki. Someone who has always needed strong bodyguards because he's not capable himself, not to mention a coward.

It would be a low-diff for Zoro.

If Orochi is still alive, he better stays away from him.

Honestly, Orochi's death was unsatisfying and I kinda want to see him revived but only to see his DF in action. Although I wouldnt doubt Orochi himself would disappoint. He would be a good battle agaisnt someone like Brook, but versus Zolo? No way

It would be nice to see Zolo one shot Orochi just so Moe could stop.