One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Pirate Queen]

well most of the yonkou headliners got one-shotted

Yeah, Hawkins is a Head Liner and he did pretty well in the short time he fought Zoro so the range of Headliners is between Sheepshead and Hawkins. (Where strength is concerned)

 

[M3J]

The assassins probably won't be much of challenges and could be reserved for Usopp and Franky as fights.

 

[Eiyuu Yami]

SH current PLs:

[High High Tier (Marco, KK)] = Luffy
[Low High Tier(Ace, Snack)] = Zoro (without Ashura)
[High Mid Tier(Smoker, Vergo)] Sanji (without RS)

SH post-wano PLs:

[Low Top Tier(Old Ray, Old Garp)] Luffy
[High High Tier(Marco, Katakuri)] Zoro
[Mid High Tier(Queen, Smoothie)] Sanji

Well, my prediction is based on the assumption that Zoro will beat King and Sanji will beat Queen so don't take it too serious.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

old ray is weaker than old garp.
Garp is the guy fighting pirate king

 

[hokageji]

old ray is weaker than old garp.
Garp is the guy fighting pirate king

Old Rayleigh can use CoC, swim through calm belt fighting sea kings and even stop an admirals kick.
Garp punched a YC......
Sure, he fought toe to toe with the PK but that was 20 years ago as well..

 

[Pirate Queen]

old ray is weaker than old garp.
Garp is the guy fighting pirate king

The award for this weeks "Most Baseless Claim" goes to.................!

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

no base argument for rayleigh to be in yonkou-tier

The award for this weeks "Most Baseless Claim" goes to.................!

Lexusflame

 

[Pirate Queen]

No base arguement...

Ray fought an Admiral to a stand still

Admiral = Yonko

But Ray isn't Yonko Tier... Lol

 

[hokageji]

@Grandmaster Woro .
Now dont come back saying you were joking and it was obvious...

 

[Pirate Queen]

Possible unpopular opinion:

Since alot of people are so keen to say Kid and Luffy are equals and have many similarities I'm going to throw this in as well.

Zoro = Killer

Both their Captains are so similar their First Mates should be around the same level.

The popular excuse for Kid is that we just haven't seen enough of them, so I'm going to use that excuse as well lol

Both Zoro and Killer similarities:

-Their captains are "Rivals"
-They are both Supernova along with their captains
-Both are more level headed than their captains
-Both have clashed with Supernova Captains (Zoro clashed with Hawkins, Killer clashed with Urouge)
-Both use bladed weapons
-Both aren't afraid to kill
-Both are only SuperNova without DF's

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

i felt like admirals in general are underestimated

 

[nik87]

I think Yonko's are above Admirals but two Admirals would give a Yonko a very hard time and fight would end in favor of 2 Admirals, most likely.

 

[Fox666]

Yes. Besides that we saw the Admirals fighting Whitebeard in Marineford, it was implied a few times:

The author also stated this in an interview:

For example, if Akainu became the protagonist, he is so strong that ONE PIECE would come to an end withing a year.

 

[nik87]

For example, if Akainu became the protagonist, he is so strong that ONE PIECE would come to an end withing a year.

Ever since i heard of this it has bothered me and I dont know what was Oda thinking when he said that, if he really did.

Even if he had Luffy's place and the plot armors it's not an issue of strength. Going against Yonko's would end bad, especially vs Kaido since in 1vs1 we know who to bet on. Akainu is a logia and we know that Blackbeard owns the strongest logia of all, plus he owns the DF which can destroy the world and which was proven to affect Akainu greatly.
Also, as I said, its not just an issue of strength, One Piece ending means finding the treasure and how will he do it when 4th road poneglyph is missing in action... This is assuming plot treats Akainu same way like Luffy and hands him over the Road Poneglyph from Zou.

Akainu is surely strong but there are at least 10 individuals stronger than him in world of One Piece.

 

[M3J]

Ever since i heard of this it has bothered me and I dont know what was Oda thinking when he said that, if he really did.

Even if he had Luffy's place and the plot armors it's not an issue of strength. Going against Yonko's would end bad, especially vs Kaido since in 1vs1 we know who to bet on. Akainu is a logia and we know that Blackbeard owns the strongest logia of all, plus he owns the DF which can destroy the world and which was proven to affect Akainu greatly.
Also, as I said, its not just an issue of strength, One Piece ending means finding the treasure and how will he do it when 4th road poneglyph is missing in action... This is assuming plot treats Akainu same way like Luffy and hands him over the Road Poneglyph from Zou.

Akainu is surely strong but there are at least 10 individuals stronger than him in world of One Piece.

It doesn't necessarily mean he'd beat opponents in his way. A pirate doesn't have to beat the Emperors to become the Pirate King, he/she just has to get to Raftel and find One Piece. If anything, Akainu is strong enough that he can deal with most things in his way, whereas Luffy would have problems. That said though, I can see Akainu being strong enough to take down one or two Emperors, especially given his resiliency and power. I mean, no matter what Whitebeard did, Akainu was never down for long and still continued to fight.


So yeah, I think it depends on the individual admiral and Yonkou. Given how Kizaru's light keeps piercing through everyone, it's possible he could beat Big Mom or Kaidou but still lose to someone like Whitebeard or Shanks.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

It doesn't necessarily mean he'd beat opponents in his way. A pirate doesn't have to beat the Emperors to become the Pirate King, he/she just has to get to Raftel and find One Piece. If anything, Akainu is strong enough that he can deal with most things in his way, whereas Luffy would have problems. That said though, I can see Akainu being strong enough to take down one or two Emperors, especially given his resiliency and power. I mean, no matter what Whitebeard did, Akainu was never down for long and still continued to fight.


So yeah, I think it depends on the individual admiral and Yonkou. Given how Kizaru's light keeps piercing through everyone, it's possible he could beat Big Mom or Kaidou but still lose to someone like Whitebeard or Shanks.

He (Kizaru) could even lose to Katakuri... while we are at it.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 13, 2018, Original Post Date: Dec 13, 2018 ---

Yes. Besides that we saw the Admirals fighting Whitebeard in Marineford, it was implied a few times:

The author also stated this in an interview:

For example, if Akainu became the protagonist, he is so strong that ONE PIECE would come to an end withing a year.

I bet if it's Kaido it'll take 2 weeks or less
And with any of the other Yonko, less than 3 weeks would do.


But TBH though I think all Oda was trying to do is emphasise Luffy's weakness rather than Sakazuki's strength.

Obviously any top tier character would need much less time than it'd take Luffy to be crowned PK either by pure strength or struggle to Raftel (plus they would be getting all of Luffy's plot armour and other protagonist-esque armour)

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 6, 2019 ---

Something's piqued my interest of late...

Doffy/YC level vs Aokiji/Admiral level (Doffy feels he can take him on – possibly win? – but doesn't want to due to the timing of the skirmish and the damage he'll incur as a result).

Doffy vs Kaido/Yonko level (Doffy knows he stands absolute zero chance and the mere thought of it makes him sweat, panic and rethink his methods).

Oda implied this for a reason. For those hoping we'll get an Admiral or two in Wano...

I'm in on the hype!

 

[Pirate Queen]

He (Kizaru) could even lose to Katakuri... while we are at it.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 13, 2018, Original Post Date: Dec 13, 2018 ---

I bet if it's Kaido it'll take 2 weeks or less
And with any of the other Yonko, less than 3 weeks would do.


But TBH though I think all Oda was trying to do is emphasise Luffy's weakness rather than Sakazuki's strength.

Obviously any top tier character would need much less time than it'd take Luffy to be crowned PK either by pure strength or struggle to Raftel (plus they would be getting all of Luffy's plot armour and other protagonist-esque armour)

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 6, 2019 ---

Something's piqued my interest of late...

Doffy/YC level vs Aokiji/Admiral level (Doffy feels he can take him on – possibly win? – but doesn't want to due to the timing of the skirmish and the damage he'll incur as a result).

Doffy vs Kaido/Yonko level (Doffy knows he stands absolute zero chance and the mere thought of it makes him sweat, panic and rethink his methods).

Oda implied this for a reason. For those hoping we'll get an Admiral or two in Wano...

I'm in on the hype!

Every battle against top tiers are situational. Doffy vs Aokiji was very hype, but no one really expected Doflamingo to pull off a win in the long run: Hence his retreat

It's been like this for shounen manga since the dawn of time

 

[M3J]

He (Kizaru) could even lose to Katakuri... while we are at it.

Do explain, ma'am, as Kizaru is pretty fast in his own right and would probably have superior hakis.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Do explain, ma'am, as Kizaru is pretty fast in his own right and would probably have superior hakis.

Kizaru is definitely not having future observation Haki. He might have superior armament but until we get evidence for that, it can't stand. Same thing regarding CoC, Kizaru might not have that as well.

If we go by what we've seen from Kizaru at Marineford, then he'll get flopped (which is BS since he's an Admiral and pre time skip battles don't matter much in relation to power levels).

 

[Pirate Queen]

Kizaru is definitely not having future observation Haki. He might have superior armament but until we get evidence for that, it can't stand. Same thing regarding CoC, Kizaru might not have that as well.

If we go by what we've seen from Kizaru at Marineford, then he'll get flopped (which is BS since he's an Admiral and pre time skip battles don't matter much in relation to power levels).

So, let me get this straight... Because Kizaru doesn't have future sight (which he might be able to negate because he moves at the speed of light) and because he hasn't shown impressive aramament haki.... Katakuri can defeat Kizaru? Katakuri that Luffy walked away with a W from? The Yonko First Commander?

No offense butI... I don't even know where to begin with this lol