One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[LadyVados]

Some people believe that healthy Old WB is equal to Primbeard based on these 2 scans-

 

[Nie Li]

Some people believe that healthy Old WB is equal to Primbeard based on these 2 scans-

I'd say it's clear that's what Oda went for. That's why he's still on the same tier as the current strongest people on the world instead of having been surpassed by new generations as is the norm in this kind of story.

 

[LadyVados]

Is it me or is Kaido's AP (or at least his lethality), kind of weak by top tier standards.

He couldn't even kill the Scabbards

 

[Nie Li]

Is it me or is Kaido's AP (or at least his lethality), kind of weak by top tier standards.

He couldn't even kill the Scabbards

Not really, he did knock out G4 Luffy in a single strike.

Everyone just surviving him is more on Oda's writing than on Kaido's strength.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Some people believe that healthy Old WB is equal to Primbeard based on these 2 scans-

I'd say it's clear that's what Oda went for. That's why he's still on the same tier as the current strongest people on the world instead of having been surpassed by new generations as is the norm in this kind of story.

I don’t know they’re still poweful but sengoku and garp and Rayleigh still felt a tad diminished compared to their primes (their words)

Is it me or is Kaido's AP (or at least his lethality), kind of weak by top tier standards.

He couldn't even kill the Scabbards

Plot induced and he’s more interested in defeating and breaking spirits

 

[HereNThere]

Everyone just surviving him is more on Oda's writing than on Kaido's strength.

Can't be stated enough. When Kaido got serious, he walked through them in no time flat. He could've easily murked all his of them.

Neither here nor there, but I think Wano, while having great moments, also highlights some of Oda's more prominent writing flaws.

 

[LadyVados]

I just realized something

When Zoro used a 3 sword style move with Enma on Kaido, it drew blood and stunned him briefly then he was just fine

When Zoro used a 3 sword style move with Enma on King

Spoiler: 1023

, it drew blood and stunned him briefly then he was just fine

But King isn't a top tier...

Sure

I guess Marco, Beckman and Shilliew are the only top tier YC1s...

They can fight Admirals and Yonko just fine but King can't...

 

[XXGenesis]

Not really, he did knock out G4 Luffy in a single strike.

Everyone just surviving him is more on Oda's writing than on Kaido's strength.

Yea Oda IMO is inconsistent with this. Or is way to vague with how much effort is going into attacks; How much someone is holding back..etc

The Rooftop fight was Dope. The effort The Yonkou’s were putting in seemed as if they were fighting partially seriously; Even then The Supernova had 1 highlight who defeated a Vc1, everyone else is under him, yet they have withstood several blows, with Zoro doing the most…

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

Not really, he did knock out G4 Luffy in a single strike.

Everyone just surviving him is more on Oda's writing than on Kaido's strength.

I agree. Let's not forget that everyone in One Piece has very high durability, including civilians. Not a single soul lost during Enel rampage despite many civilians get hit by the lightning.

 

[Ellenate]

The grandfleet is going to be no better than the typical friendly arc fodder that always finds themselves side-by-side with the sh's (arguably weaker)... and the longer oda takes to pull them out, the more useless they'll become.

...i don't know why people want them saved for the last arc; they need to grow alongside the crew (even if "one at a time"-ish).

 

[kkck]

The strawhat grand fleet? Oda has zero time for meaningful character development. The only character who oda has bothered showing somewhat of a strength progression is luffy and that via haki shenanigans. Zoro got a few frames worth of enma haki shenanigans. From then no other strawhat got chapters or even frames dedicated to their growth. Most strawhats barely have feats in the new world. All sanji got up to now is not defeating vergo and getting defeated by doflamingo with ease. Franky for some reason got more fights and victories than sanji. Brook got no fights in between fishman island and wano... Robin got iirc a single fight in dressrosa and then nothing else until BM. Ussop hasn't won any fights... Nami hasn't won any fights. Chopper's NW feats do not justify his bounty being as high as it is. It'd make no sense for oda to give any time for growth for the grand fleet if he can't even give the manga's literal main characters a fraction of the time they deserve. It'd even be infuriating. I mean, who even gives a crap about them nowadays? Given how little time oda has for actual character development the most likely scenario is that the next time we see them we are going to see the setup for the big event they are supposed to be involved with and then have the big event be immediately off screened.

 

[Ellenate]

It'd make no sense for oda to give any time for growth for the grand fleet if he can't even give the manga's literal main characters a fraction of the time they deserve.

The story for over a decade has been nothing but oda giving time to stuff outside of the sh's. They're a lost cause at this point and his time would be better spent on "landing the plane".

It'd even be infuriating. I mean, who even gives a crap about them nowadays? Given how little time oda has for actual character development the most likely scenario is that the next time we see them we are going to see the setup for the big event they are supposed to be involved with and then have the big event be immediately off screened.

Entirely my point... we're not even at the manga's end, yet a huge part of it is already flawed.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

The strawhat grand fleet? Oda has zero time for meaningful character development. The only character who oda has bothered showing somewhat of a strength progression is luffy and that via haki shenanigans. Zoro got a few frames worth of enma haki shenanigans. From then no other strawhat got chapters or even frames dedicated to their growth. Most strawhats barely have feats in the new world. All sanji got up to now is not defeating vergo and getting defeated by doflamingo with ease. Franky for some reason got more fights and victories than sanji. Brook got no fights in between fishman island and wano... Robin got iirc a single fight in dressrosa and then nothing else until BM. Ussop hasn't won any fights... Nami hasn't won any fights. Chopper's NW feats do not justify his bounty being as high as it is. It'd make no sense for oda to give any time for growth for the grand fleet if he can't even give the manga's literal main characters a fraction of the time they deserve. It'd even be infuriating. I mean, who even gives a crap about them nowadays? Given how little time oda has for actual character development the most likely scenario is that the next time we see them we are going to see the setup for the big event they are supposed to be involved with and then have the big event be immediately off screened.

Come on , reducing everything to fights isn’t fair tho
Brook had the showdown with big mum and stole the ponegylph info
Nami assisted luffy versus cracker , helped a lot with the planning of the WCI wedding stuff
Chopper ? Been pulling his weight as a doctor a ton , curing the kids , the folks at zou and now at wano
Ussop had his fantastic moment against sugar
Would I have liked more fights but the crew have actually been flexing their specific training things all new world
I do wish we got more of sanji as a fighter but alas

 

[kkck]

Come on , reducing everything to fights isn’t fair tho
Brook had the showdown with big mum and stole the ponegylph info
Nami assisted luffy versus cracker , helped a lot with the planning of the WCI wedding stuff
Chopper ? Been pulling his weight as a doctor a ton , curing the kids , the folks at zou and now at wano
Ussop had his fantastic moment against sugar
Would I have liked more fights but the crew have actually been flexing their specific training things all new world
I do wish we got more of sanji as a fighter but alas

Fights ARE in fact extremely important. They are for the most part the climax of all arcs. The contributions the characters make DON'T WORK without them also pulling their weight in fights against named enemy executives. That's why sanji until now at least has come of as a pathetic cake baker rather than as the strawhat's third strongest member.

And going point by point:
Brook had the showdown with big mum and stole the ponegylph info: "big showdown" is stretching this quite a bit. And the stealing happened off screen. Brook sort of showed up with the poneglyph. Meh.

Nami assisted luffy versus cracker , helped a lot with the planning of the WCI wedding stuff: The bulk of which happened off screen.

Chopper ? Been pulling his weight as a doctor a ton , curing the kids , the folks at zou and now at wano

Ussop had his fantastic moment against sugar: yeah this was neat. And also by far his greatest accomplishment. Which is the problem.

Would I have liked more fights but the crew have actually been flexing their specific training things all new world: Then why are we finding out about robin's timeskip training 10 years into the NW saga?

I do wish we got more of sanji as a fighter but alas: So do I.

 

[albertwv]

Although fights may not be everything, us as readers find it that they are especially in a fighter-type manga. We want to see development on how that character got to that point, besides the main character. Plus the story revolves around the SHs not everyone else, yet for the latter part of the story (New World saga) we've only seen Luffy get huge development while the others only a bit. Not fair at all. Oda should've never introduced so many characters into the story if he could not handle them well. Im talking about the SH fleet who took up too much time on Dressrosa. Usopp has not shown his haki ever since Sugar, lame. Nami barely had any development, Brooks was off screened during his fight with BM, I mean we knew he was going to lose but it wouldnt look nice seeing how he lost.
Whole cake island took too long for only 1.5 major battles too happen and both by Luffy? Wack. It was Sanji's arc, Oda shouldve given Sanji a fight added to the cake baking process, that wouldve made things more dramatic and the community wouldve respected Sanji more than a cake baker.
Nami, Brook, Chopper, heck maybe even Carrot, shouldve had a 1v1 with a BM pirate and there was a lot of them. But we only saw Luffy and Pedro (who didnt really finish his fight) fight. I understand it was an infiltration rescue mission but if Luffy fought twice then his crew shouldve had a fight too

 

[Yonko Red Haired Shanks]

After chapter 1023 someone will still say that characters like Shanks, Big Mom, Kizaru and Fujitora are weaker than Mihawk?

 

[Nie Li]

After chapter 1023 someone will still say that characters like Shanks, Big Mom, Kizaru and Fujitora are weaker than Mihawk?

Yes.

 

[Yonko Red Haired Shanks]

Yes.

 

[Pirate Queen]

After chapter 1023 someone will still say that characters like Shanks, Big Mom, Kizaru and Fujitora are weaker than Mihawk?

I can't put my finger on why, but I can tell im gunna like you. Welcome

 

[Deleted member 169696]

After chapter 1023 someone will still say that characters like Shanks, Big Mom, Kizaru and Fujitora are weaker than Mihawk?

Yes. I don’t see any problem with that statement. It is possible.