One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[grey matter]

Like all it takes is a new costumes and maybe a new title or two sprinkled in to make the growth and training/growth apparent

Cavendish and don sai are pretty strong

Bartolommeo is also crazy strong
Strawhats fleet got fighters

Cavendish, just from what was shown to us, was a freaking beast!

He gave the vibe that he would utterly destroy anyone who didn't have the means to counter speed - like Bartalomeo with his barriers, or Robin who can sprout arms where ever she wishes to (in this case, Cavendish also likely resisted his alter ego)

If he's grown even more powerful, great. Really looking forward these characters:
- Cavendish
- Bartalomeo
- Don Sai
- the King who charges up into one of the most powerful punches in the series (forgot his name).

 

[Ellenate]

What happened to make you think they wouldn’t grow?

What makes you think they will?

Supernovas are the same as when they popped-up.

Most of the crew have gotten little outside of their timeskip wardrobe change. With most of their "growth" being duct taped on to them (e.g. zoro's new sword, sanji's raid suit, zeus with nami).


Characters in this manga either stay stagnant or have some ill-conceived glow up.

Heck, you could say Oda doesn't even grow his characters, he just retcons them.


"What is character development?" - Oda
"It just works." - Oda

 

[grey matter]

What makes you think they will?

Supernovas are the same as when they popped-up.

Most of the crew have gotten little outside of their timeskip wardrobe change. With most of their "growth" being duct taped on to them (e.g. zoro's new sword, sanji's raid suit, zeus with nami).


Characters in this manga either stay stagnant or have some ill-conceived glow up.

Heck, you could say Oda doesn't even grow his characters, he just retcons them.


"What is character development?" - Oda
"It just works." - Oda

Supernova did grow. Like by a lot.

 

[albertwv]

I could careless about the SH fleet. To me they were just stealing panels away from the real SHs who we needed desperately after the TS. SH fleet just made Dressrosa longer than it had to be. We could have focused more on the Supernovas than the SH fleet. It would be nice if Luffy and Kid had an actual combat rivalry going on.

 

[GL_Nova]

What makes you think they will?

Supernovas are the same as when they popped-up.

Most of the crew have gotten little outside of their timeskip wardrobe change. With most of their "growth" being duct taped on to them (e.g. zoro's new sword, sanji's raid suit, zeus with nami).


Characters in this manga either stay stagnant or have some ill-conceived glow up.

Heck, you could say Oda doesn't even grow his characters, he just retcons them.


"What is character development?" - Oda
"It just works." - Oda

Bro what are you talking about? Like, walk me through this, because I do consider myself a more casual OP fan, but Oda did pretty well developing the SH this second half as far as combat and that paying off.

Usopp: Spend the TS training on an island, comes back with new weapon and Oda confirmation of being as strong as pre-TS Zoro. Over the last few arcs he has, awakened Haki, earned a new nickname and bounty (sogeking still hasn’t been confirmed to populace right?), helped earn a grand fleet for the crew (which honestly he makes the most since ordering around and still being able to fill his , and spent time training his invention skills and other abilities on Wano while waiting and spying.

Chopper: special doctor training, which has paid off each arc of the new world. As well as having the effect of allowing him to manipulate his DF even better and upgrade his rumble tech, which was pushed further by his exposure to ceaser, but came to fruition during his time in Wano learning and experimenting to prepare for battle.

Robin: spent TS becoming a spy for the resistance, which directly tied into her own desire to learn more and get info regardless of barriers. Which also included specialized combat training, which she has continued to practice. As well as learning more soy skills while in Wano, and adding official seduction techniques to her repitior (though opinions may vary over this)

Brooke: Spent time performing which seems odd, but led to experimenting with his DF and gaining a new dimension to his DF powers. Which culminated in allowing him to be proven true Kryptonite for an entire Yonkou’s special ability. An is continuing to polish both those skills and his swordsmanship in Wano.

Nami: spent the break getting an even better understanding of her role and new weather tech. Which she immediately had incorporated into her weapon. She Followed that up by earning the loyalty of one of BM main weapons which she eventually gained full control over, giving her the largest combat upgrade yet. She also spent all her time in Wano training as a ninja.

Sanji: he get allot of flak, but my man leaned flight over the break and Haki as well. Even became a specialist. Then he got the raid suit last arc, which is apparently amping him long term. He also got the chance to take his cooking skills up a few notches in this arc and the last one. Continuing the trend of the SH growing in ways that support their actual personal goals.

Franky: Spent the TS pillaging vegapunk’s inventions. He was able to upgrade himself, and had been working to incorporate it into his weapons. Allowing him to have some of the better fights in this part of the story. An he hasn’t even awakened a Haki yet (I’m calling armament. Preferably while holding off all these Kaido subordinates after beating a TR as a perfect scenario to bloom in.)


Jinbei: joined, and still revealing new skills and power this arc. Even if the Haki was already expected. Nice to finally officially have my man on the ship. Please stay on it. No going to gather the fleet or nothing.


Zoro: trained with Mihawk, then learned to cut fire (opening the path to cutting other elements), new super Haki sword, spend whole time in Wano, picking duels and causing problems and polishing his sword skills further.


That’s not even including Yamato as a fun possible addition. I mean, I get complaining about where you want the SH to be, but to ignore what has been done doesn’t seem entirely fair. A much more fair critique might be Oda hasn’t put the expected or maybe rather desired time in letting all of them show off these new skills and have sufficient challenges. I was also hoping for a bit more. I think Usopp and Nami should have beat those siblings without major interference just to infer how far they’ve really come. Since we know they will be expected to fight BB crew and survive the major war with the marines.

 

[Ellenate]

@GL_Nova

You and I have different definitions of "character development".

That’s not even including Yamato as a fun possible addition.

Yamato is a lazy plot device.

Spoiler

yamato > luffy

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Yamato is a super fun addition
Tho I wish Oda at least tried to foreshadow them early or at least somewhat
They’re very forced into the plot and this is from someone who kinda enjoys Yamato

However however Yamato is climbing up the ranks , ridiculously powerful character lives up to being the new “oden” and child of kaido

 

[A$APBog]

Yamato is a super fun addition
Tho I wish Oda at least tried to foreshadow them early or at least somewhat
They’re very forced into the plot and this is from someone who kinda enjoys Yamato

However however Yamato is climbing up the ranks , ridiculously powerful character lives up to being the new “oden” and child of kaido

Tbh, if Yamato was a member of the Grand Fleet or living her own life like Ace with WB, it could be fun.

But having her on the boat... I mean, as you said, it's too forced and I hardly enjoy forced storytelling added characters

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Tbh, if Yamato was a member of the Grand Fleet or living her own life like Ace with WB, it could be fun.

But having her on the boat... I mean, as you said, it's too forced and I hardly enjoy forced storytelling added characters

Oh that’s why I want Yamato to join law
Law crew too hella weak man
Least kidd has killer
Strawhats already far far ahead of the other supernovas
Law a powerhouse but law and Yamato would be fun

 

[A$APBog]

Oh that’s why I want Yamato to join law
Law crew too hella weak man
Least kidd has killer
Strawhats already far far ahead of the other supernovas
Law a powerhouse but law and Yamato would be fun

I think we talked about it before and I thought that some of them were pretty decent (Bepo for example, a Su Long can be quite clutch in some situations or the two mates who were able to withstand the CoC of Rayleigh before the TS) but yeah, it is nowhere near the crew of Kidd and Luffy. Yamato could be a huge addition and add some serious firepower to their crew. It would create a more balanced dynamic between the crews of Kidd/Law/Luffy

 

[albertwv]

Im not a huge fan of Yamato joining the crew honestly, even Jimbei but its too late.
There are 10 or 11 SHs now, thats too big of a crowd. Usually mangas revolve around a group of 3-5 people maybe 7 or 8. This gives enough panels and character development to everyone outside the MC. The SHs before Jimbei were around 9/10. We didnt really see that much on each character. we barely saw much of Brook once he joined. Jimbei joining this late into the game seems wack and now to add Yamato, no thanks.

The only ones who have gotten real development have been Luffy, Zolo, and Sanji. Everyone else has gotten some development but not really, and especially not in Wano. For them to be strong enough to defeat a Flying 6 member with almost no struggle like the CP9 fight, wack. The reason why we havent gotten character development from the SHs is because Oda adds so many more useless characters. Oda has created a huge universe and doesnt know how to properly use them all. He went from Quality > Quantity, to Quantity > Quality.

Also Yamato joining Law because his crew is weak seems not likely since Yamato > Law.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Im not a huge fan of Yamato joining the crew honestly, even Jimbei but its too late.
There are 10 or 11 SHs now, thats too big of a crowd. Usually mangas revolve around a group of 3-5 people maybe 7 or 8. This gives enough panels and character development to everyone outside the MC. The SHs before Jimbei were around 9/10. We didnt really see that much on each character. we barely saw much of Brook once he joined. Jimbei joining this late into the game seems wack and now to add Yamato, no thanks.

The only ones who have gotten real development have been Luffy, Zolo, and Sanji. Everyone else has gotten some development but not really, and especially not in Wano. For them to be strong enough to defeat a Flying 6 member with almost no struggle like the CP9 fight, wack. The reason why we havent gotten character development from the SHs is because Oda adds so many more useless characters. Oda has created a huge universe and doesnt know how to properly use them all. He went from Quality > Quantity, to Quantity > Quality.

Also Yamato joining Law because his crew is weak seems not likely since Yamato > Law.

Yamato is not that much stronger than law they’re around the same levsl
I don’t think law has been given enough props , he and kidd are tag teaming big mum
He’s the only supernova not to get pinned down or in trouble against any of the yonkou

 

[albertwv]

Yamato is not that much stronger than law they’re around the same levsl
I don’t think law has been given enough props , he and kidd are tag teaming big mum
He’s the only supernova not to get pinned down or in trouble against any of the yonkou

You're being extremely bias right now, Im assuming he is your favorite character thats why.
Yamato has Advance COC and is seen to be matching Kaido, obviously he/she is not as strong as Kaido or anywhere near but definetly higher than Law.
Could you argue that Law can fight Kaido like Yamato 1v1?
He wasnt pinned down by any yonko, props to him but it was due to him his DF transportation ability.
Sure law has gotten stronger, most likely Doffy's level by now or stronger were not certain yet.

Kid and law have yet to show us anything against BM in their second round so stop making assumptions that they will beat her or are anywhere near as strong because they are tag teaming. While that may be that case at the end of the arc, we will find out, but as of right now, Law and Kid are not near Yonko level, maybe YC1-2.

AS of chapter 1024, Yamato seems to be the strongest in Onigashima outside of Luffy and the Yonko. I say this because we have yet to see someone else keep up with Hybrid Kaido using Advance COC for this long. Zolo was able to scar Kaido only once but even I think Yamato > Zolo. Will this change, yes most likely. Honestly I was not expecting Yamato to be this strong, to be YC1, that gives the Beasts Pirates a boost over almost any other Yonko crew, if she/he was really in the Beasts Pirates' side to begin with, which seem like she/he was during Ace's encounter.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

You're being extremely bias right now, Im assuming he is your favorite character thats why.
Yamato has Advance COC and is seen to be matching Kaido, obviously he/she is not as strong as Kaido or anywhere near but definetly higher than Law.
Could you argue that Law can fight Kaido like Yamato 1v1?
He wasnt pinned down by any yonko, props to him but it was due to him his DF transportation ability.
Sure law has gotten stronger, most likely Doffy's level by now or stronger were not certain yet.

Kid and law have yet to show us anything against BM in their second round so stop making assumptions that they will beat her or are anywhere near as strong because they are tag teaming. While that may be that case at the end of the arc, we will find out, but as of right now, Law and Kid are not near Yonko level, maybe YC1-2.

AS of chapter 1024, Yamato seems to be the strongest in Onigashima outside of Luffy and the Yonko. I say this because we have yet to see someone else keep up with Hybrid Kaido using Advance COC for this long. Zolo was able to scar Kaido only once but even I think Yamato > Zolo. Will this change, yes most likely. Honestly I was not expecting Yamato to be this strong, to be YC1, that gives the Beasts Pirates a boost over almost any other Yonko crew, if she/he was really in the Beasts Pirates' side to begin with, which seem like she/he was during Ace's encounter.

Oh I think Luffy and Yamato are stronger than the rest but same being in the but the other rooftop guys aren’t slouches and can keep up
Big mum isn’t the type to hold back tho

 

[Yonko Red Haired Shanks]

Do you think Oda will show another top tier with Kaido's herculean performance? Although I have to say that for me in the current manga Kaido is beyond any character.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Do you think Oda will show another top tier with Kaido's heculean performance? Although I have to say that for me in the current manga Kaido is beyond any character.

Yeah, Luffy.

 

[Yonko Red Haired Shanks]

Yeah, Luffy.

But Luffy has been defeated 4 or 5 times in Wano and has been helped by others to stay on his feet, while Kaido has fought almost 20 and continues to deploy Haki which is Stamina and the amount of attacks he has tanked is crazy.I don't know if in the future there will be fights as long as the one against Kaido.

 

[GL_Nova]

Im not a huge fan of Yamato joining the crew honestly, even Jimbei but its too late.
There are 10 or 11 SHs now, thats too big of a crowd. Usually mangas revolve around a group of 3-5 people maybe 7 or 8. This gives enough panels and character development to everyone outside the MC. The SHs before Jimbei were around 9/10. We didnt really see that much on each character. we barely saw much of Brook once he joined. Jimbei joining this late into the game seems wack and now to add Yamato, no thanks.

The only ones who have gotten real development have been Luffy, Zolo, and Sanji. Everyone else has gotten some development but not really, and especially not in Wano. For them to be strong enough to defeat a Flying 6 member with almost no struggle like the CP9 fight, wack. The reason why we havent gotten character development from the SHs is because Oda adds so many more useless characters. Oda has created a huge universe and doesnt know how to properly use them all. He went from Quality > Quantity, to Quantity > Quality.

Also Yamato joining Law because his crew is weak seems not likely since Yamato > Law.

If she doesn’t set off with Luffy, she’s staying with Momo.

 

[albertwv]

Do you think Oda will show another top tier with Kaido's herculean performance? Although I have to say that for me in the current manga Kaido is beyond any character.

I was expecting more villains to appear, especially those level 6 ID prison escapees, we've only seen the ones who left with BB, and the ones from the movies, World, Shiki, Bullet, and from that one game the Vampire. Oda hinted that many level 6 escapees were out there so it would be great if the SHs would have ran into them in the NW

 

[M3J]

Do you think Oda will show another top tier with Kaido's herculean performance? Although I have to say that for me in the current manga Kaido is beyond any character.

Akainu, Blackbeard, Shanks, and Big Mom, most likely. Luffy will probably get there too if there are stronger opponents than Kaidou. Im is also an unknown, but he does rule the Gorosei.