One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[neomaster121]

He and Law collectively are Yonko tier - this is a fact.
If they weren't, BM wouldn't have been forced over her limits. BM felt that, if she didn't go over her limits, she might end up losing. Plus her comment that these two are serious about usurping her thrown, and nobody had pushed her that far in years

If you want a more specific feat, Kid's attack dealt good damage on BM

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This is something that can be and has been replicated by Law, Kid and Marco.
Law fought BM solo while even making up for dead weight Kid, during Killer vs Hawkins. Plus, collectively making a Yonko go over her limits.
Marco fought BM for a few chapters IIRC, while she commented that she would just end up wasting her time and energy on him. After holding her back, he 1v2'd King + Queen for hours while spending energy on healing up thousands of soldiers. And he's still up and running.

No problem if you think she's stronger than Zoro, I can understand where you're coming from there

Seriously
He dealt no damage to kaido
But hurt big mom
All that shows is kaido > big mom

Plus big mom was pooping her pants every time Zoro got serious

Again Kidd has not done much in fact he was captured by kaido because he's not even close to ready

Law however has been super impressive

Zoro with aCoC would be cutting big mom down not squashing her with metal

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How did I nearly forget Zoro saving kid and law and killer and Luffy

By delaying the strongest attacks seen in one piece and then gets up and manages to scar kaido...

Again in terms of feats Kidd has been awful this arc

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All pre his true aCoC awakening...

 

[Fox666]

I'm kinda shocked people see kid so high up.

Forgetting Zoro for a second. What has Kidd achieved this entire arc.

Literally he has zero feats in wano

Law and Kid are fighting Big Mom, they have damaged her a lot and are tanking attacks like they are nothing

IMHO Kid smashing Big Mom against the floor, and ignoring being punched in the face is more than Zoro did

But don't take power levels in One Piece too serious

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Kidd issue so far is his attacks like “bite” his attacks would be very effective against the other supernovas tho
But his raw strength stamina durability and speed is as good as it gets among them

 

[Ero-Sanji]

Kidd has tanked two Indras, one Ikoku, one punch and one Mama-raid at point blanc. Let's not also forget that the dude got stabbed and then his head bashed in repeatedly with no way of guarding himself. He's still standing. Luffy has lost twice already, got time to rest and eat. Zoro also got time to rest and even healed. Kidd is still standing.

 

[LadyVados]

In my opinion Zoro was stronger than Luffy before either got AdCoC

And I see no reason why it should be a bigger power-multiplier for one than for the other.

 

[LaGOAT]

In my opinion Zoro was stronger than Luffy before either got AdCoC

And I see no reason why it should be a bigger power-multiplier for one than for the other.

Yo bro chill out…

 

[LadyVados]

The Mihawk vs Shanks and Zoro vs Law debates are finished.

Oda literally calls Roger, Shanks and Law swordsmen.

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Also the manga has clearly given us further material to discuss so Shanks vs Mihawk should no longer be a banned topic.

 

[Aaaa]

In my opinion Zoro was stronger than Luffy before either got AdCoC

And I see no reason why it should be a bigger power-multiplier for one than for the other.

only reason its a bigger multiplier for Luffy is because he’s fought the more intense fights + just has a better understanding of it compared to Zoro. Zoro right now is probably around the level that luffy was when he first started using advanced CoC

 

[Gallon]

Luffy's specialty is Conqueror's Haki. His CoC has always been noted to be exceptional.
Zoro relied on Enma drawing it out for him, and he can't control it as well as Luffy. His is both weaker and less polished.

They're definitely not on the same level. Luffy was already stronger with advanced Observation and Armament, and the gap's greater now that his specialty has reached an advanced stage. Zoro just surpassed what Luffy managed in Whole Cake Island; the latter's capable of stalemating the strongest characters at this point.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

only reason its a bigger multiplier for Luffy is because he’s fought the more intense fights + just has a better understanding of it compared to Zoro. Zoro right now is probably around the level that luffy was when he first started using advanced CoC

Zoro doesn’t even know how use basic COC consistently man Oda kinda goofed on this development

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The Mihawk vs Shanks and Zoro vs Law debates are finished.

Oda literally calls Roger, Shanks and Law swordsmen.

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Also the manga has clearly given us further material to discuss so Shanks vs Mihawk should no longer be a banned topic.

boy there's about 2 people on the one piece planet that gives a shit about the worlds strongest swordsman title and that's zoro and mihawk.

 

[LadyVados]

Zoro right now is probably around the level that luffy was when he first started using advanced CoC

Um… Luffy got AdCoC less than an hour ago ! You’re making it sound like he’s had it for years !

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Luffy's specialty is Conqueror's Haki. His CoC has always been noted to be exceptional.
Zoro relied on Enma drawing it out for him, and he can't control it as well as Luffy. His is both weaker and less polished.

They're definitely not on the same level. Luffy was already stronger with advanced Observation and Armament, and the gap's greater now that his specialty has reached an advanced stage. Zoro just surpassed what Luffy managed in Whole Cake Island; the latter's capable of stalemating the strongest characters at this point.

Zoro’s tatsumaki did more damage to Kaido than G4 Luffy’s barrage.

Ergo an AdCoC infused Tatsumaki from Zoro should do more damage than an AdCoC-infused G4 Barrage from Luffy.



Also Luffy barely beat Kata after an 11 hour battle (and Kata arguably let him win)

Zoro wrecked Albert (who is probably stronger than Kata) in 5 minutes.

Those feats aren’t even remotely comparable.

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Every single person we have seen has either been a Yonko, Pirate King or strong enough to give a Yonko a high diff fight (Yamato) but sure Zoro is only commander level… It’s not like Kaido called it a power only the strongest people in the world could use or something.

 

[Crimson Ice]

bingo kaido is a straight brawler, knowing how he fight doesn't mean much , he's not tricky, you have the raw strength speed and durability to keep up, yamato does

Yup. Always thought that this point was really bad and was only ever used to downplay Yamato's feats against Kaido. Especially because anyone who said this ALWAYS ignored that they BOTH know how each other fight.

 

[Gallon]

Zoro’s tatsumaki did more damage to Kaido than G4 Luffy’s barrage.

Not even close. Kaido barely reacted to Tatsumaki, while Big Mom was shocked at how much damage Luffy was dealing with his Kong Gatling; Kaido responded by going Hybrid.
By your logic, Kinemon did more damage than Luffy's barrage.

Ergo an AdCoC infused Tatsumaki from Zoro should do more damage than an AdCoC-infused G4 Barrage from Luffy.

Lol.

Also Luffy barely beat Kata after an 11 hour battle (and Kata arguably let him win)

Yeah, a Luffy without advanced Armament, advanced Conqueror's, and only novice use of advanced Observation.

Zoro wrecked Albert (who is probably stronger than Kata) in 5 minutes.

Zoro wrecked nobody, he won with high difficulty.
Also, this is Zoro with advanced Armament and Conqueror's. So, Luffy ultimately accomplished something comparable with far less in his arsenal.

Every single person we have seen has either been a Yonko, Pirate King or strong enough to give a Yonko a high diff fight (Yamato) but sure Zoro is only commander level… It’s not like Kaido called it a power only the strongest people in the world could use or something.

Well, it's very convenient that Zoro's opponent happened to be a first Yonko Commander, so we can scale him properly!
He was getting overwhelmed without advanced CoC, and eventually won with it while still struggling and risking running out of fuel before doing so.
With it, he's just above that level, but it's still immensely draining to him, and he barely managed.

On the other hand, you have Luffy trading blows with and stalemating Kaido (albeit not fresh; Luffy should still be able to hold himself just as well against a fresh Kaido, but lose in a battle of attrition, in which Kaido excels), while not showing signs of running out of Haki just yet. It's not even comparable, sorry.

Also, Yamato isn't a high difficulty fight for Kaido. Moreso a medium difficulty for a Kaido that had already fought a dozen powerful characters before.

 

[XXGenesis]

I’m interested to see how Kid & Law fight ends vs BigMoM..Solo they wouldn’t win; But together if they can manage more DF awakened attacks they stand a chance. The win will put them at Admiral lv IMO, if they don’t they remain at YC1+

Kaido has been kicking ass in this Onigashima gauntlet. He’s tiring after 4 different fights where he got injured…Scabbards, Rooftop, Luffy, Yamato, You can count Yamato/Luffy/Momonuske…Now Luffy again. Luffy will win and be a low tier Yonkou.

Marco did not fight BigMom for that long. His showings and feats are impressive especially. He visually hurt Queen & hurting King isn’t a thing unless he’s not flamed up. So all in all Marco & Yamato IMO yes are just about equal. Yamato has the better Haki though and an actual battle with a Yonkou not a clash, a fight.

 

[AmitDS]

The Mihawk vs Shanks and Zoro vs Law debates are finished.

Oda literally calls Roger, Shanks and Law swordsmen.

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Also the manga has clearly given us further material to discuss so Shanks vs Mihawk should no longer be a banned topic.

That's confirmed a fanart submission. This has been discussed and dispelled ad nauseum on fanverse (and even reddit lol) but you know that already.

 

[albertwv]

Yeah not happy about Zolo getting ACoC right away. He didnt even have ACoA. Oda shouldve just given him ACoA or at least a panel of him using it. Oda failed miserably the Beasts Pirates fights.

I mentioned before, I think King has to be the weakest among YC1s. I had high hopes for him, but after Marco knocking him down a bit and Zolo's fight. I didnt see anything worthy of King besides, his defense, besides King taking full frontal slashes from Zolo pre ACoC. Other than that, I dont see King matching up to Katakuri or even Marcos. King didnt demonstrate ACoA or ACoO or Awakening (hoping) or anything that may show he is on par with the other YC1s.
So I am putting King on the lowest of YC1s.
Anyone else agree?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Yeah not happy about Zolo getting ACoC right away. He didnt even have ACoA. Oda shouldve just given him ACoA or at least a panel of him using it. Oda failed miserably the Beasts Pirates fights.

I mentioned before, I think King has to be the weakest among YC1s. I had high hopes for him, but after Marco knocking him down a bit and Zolo's fight. I didnt see anything worthy of King besides, his defense, besides King taking full frontal slashes from Zolo pre ACoC. Other than that, I dont see King matching up to Katakuri or even Marcos. King didnt demonstrate ACoA or ACoO or Awakening (hoping) or anything that may show he is on par with the other YC1s.
So I am putting King on the lowest of YC1s.
Anyone else agree?

I've been saying it. He's got nothing on Katakuri in any stat. You can say they have an equal Stat but nothing that he exceeds in

Were as Katakuri is a Conqueor, has Future Sight, and an undefeated record... until recently.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I've been saying it. He's got nothing on Katakuri in any stat. You can say they have an equal Stat but nothing that he exceeds in

Were as Katakuri is a Conqueor, has Future Sight, and an undefeated record... until recently.

King definitely has better durability and you could argue attack power. Like, let's not go crazy.

 

[Pirate Queen]

King definitely has better durability and you could argue attack power. Like, let's not go crazy.

You can say they have equivalent durability and attack power, not there being a huge gap in either.

Katakuri was able to fight for 12+ hours (tanking G4 hits), King lasted less than 15 minutes and had a glaring weakness.

His block mochi also showed his mastery of CoA.

King had no advanced forms of haki, nor a conqueror. He really has nothing to hype him over Katakuri