One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Rein Avara]

Okay guys. Zoro is many levels below Luffy. Its most powerful blow is weaker than a simple punch from Luffy in his base form. Zoro is slower and doesn't have Advanced Kenbunshoku. Zoro's cuts are like mere scratches on Luffy who has long taken several more powerful blows than Zoro's most powerful blow. Luffy would beat Zoro with a single hit as well (since Luffy's single basic punch is stronger than Zoro's most powerful attack). Zoro to Luffy is like Krillin to Goku. Luffy doesn't even need to use the Gomu Gomu no Mi against Zoro using En-You Kyotoryu Ashura. I believe it would take 9 Zoros and 10 Sanjis to force Luffy to at least use his Devil Fruit powers, and twice that to force Luffy to use his marches. Right?

No one is trying to discredit Zoro but he just doesn't stack up when compared to Luffy, not that he's too far behind. But the panels during the rooftop battle show that Luffy was doing by far the most damage to Kaido, whether it be through Advanced Armament or Advanced Conquerors.

Yes Zoro did a lot of damage to Kaido with dead mans game (but he himself was disappointed that he couldn't knock him down at the very least), but then following that you have Luffy who discovers the truth behind CoC coated attacks, and instantly punches Kaido which caves in his stomach then follows up with an uppercut to lift Kaido off the ground and knock him on his back a feat which Zoro failed to do. All which indicate Luffy was doing far more damage with his attacks than Zoro was.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Okay guys. Zoro is many levels below Luffy. Its most powerful blow is weaker than a simple punch from Luffy in his base form. Zoro is slower and doesn't have Advanced Kenbunshoku. Zoro's cuts are like mere scratches on Luffy who has long taken several more powerful blows than Zoro's most powerful blow. Luffy would beat Zoro with a single hit as well (since Luffy's single basic punch is stronger than Zoro's most powerful attack). Zoro to Luffy is like Krillin to Goku. Luffy doesn't even need to use the Gomu Gomu no Mi against Zoro using En-You Kyotoryu Ashura. I believe it would take 9 Zoros and 10 Sanjis to force Luffy to at least use his Devil Fruit powers, and twice that to force Luffy to use his marches. Right?

Make that 30 Zoro's and 40 Sanji's and MAYBE they force a tie against gear less, hakiless, and one armed Luffy

 

[McNuss]

Are Ichiji and Niji also supposed to regenerate like that from such injuries? If so, they're much more dangerous than I thought.

Yes, that's the entire point of them. They aren't really strong as fighters but are nigh invincible as they simply get back up from everything.

The final sequence of WCI shows them losing to the Decuplets Fusion, then the next panel Judge is seen facing Snack and the Decuplet Fusion, but apparently it ended all with Big Mom herself beating Yonji and Niji again and Reiju, Judge and Ichiji getting away.

I kinda got stuck at this point with my Tierlist because the Germa is kinda a mess due to this offscreen moment.

Actually almost all of Big Mom's children have fighting feats but many of them are versus the Germa and the ambiguity of the final leaves their true strenght unknown, thus making most of the lower Tier Charlotte's placements good guesswork.

What actually happened? Did Judge beat both Snack and the Decuplets Fusion? That sounds a bit too much.
Did his children save him? How did they deal with the many other Charlottes surrounding them? Did Sulong Pekoms break out in the chaos?

I think popular perception might help here so I ask you all how strong do you think the Vinsmokes are?

 

[Luke Beifong]

It’s my impression or there’s blue lightning coming out of Sanji ifrit jambe leg in the new cover?

 

[Pirate Queen]

It’s my impression or there’s blue lightning coming out of Sanji ifrit jambe leg in the new cover?

It did in the manga chapter he defeated Queen as well

 

[XXGenesis]

In a fantasy manga such as One Piece. Blunt trauma & slash/puncture trauma are not going to be portrayed or have as much repercussions as it does in reality.

Luffy can punch somebody miles away….
Zoro can slice something huge apart but Luffy can bust that object apart & probably destroy more of the object over, Zoro using the functions of swords slashing & piercing…the damage a sword does can’t be compared to a wrecking ball

 

[Crimson Ice]

Okay guys. Zoro is many levels below Luffy. Its most powerful blow is weaker than a simple punch from Luffy in his base form. Zoro is slower and doesn't have Advanced Kenbunshoku. Zoro's cuts are like mere scratches on Luffy who has long taken several more powerful blows than Zoro's most powerful blow. Luffy would beat Zoro with a single hit as well (since Luffy's single basic punch is stronger than Zoro's most powerful attack). Zoro to Luffy is like Krillin to Goku. Luffy doesn't even need to use the Gomu Gomu no Mi against Zoro using En-You Kyotoryu Ashura. I believe it would take 9 Zoros and 10 Sanjis to force Luffy to at least use his Devil Fruit powers, and twice that to force Luffy to use his marches. Right?

Being sarcastic doesn't make your points more solid.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 24, 2022, Original Post Date: Mar 24, 2022 ---

Much like the visual representation of Zoro's attacks are always the same for every big attack he makes.

Zoro scarred Kaidou, but he didn't make him fall down. It was a purposeful distinction on Oda's part to explicitly put that in the dialogue and contrast it directly with how Luffy's attacks effect him.

Zoro says that and literally a page or two later Luffy does it, but people don't think that was intentional.

 

[grey matter]

When he scarred Kaido, Zoro lamented over the fact he couldn't even knock Kaido down...And Luffy immediately gets up and knocks Kaido on his ass. Not to mention, Kaido didn't seem too impressed with Zoro being able to scar him. It's blown out of proportion because Oden did the same thing, though the narrative was leaning towards Oden possessing the power to beat Kaido, something Zoro can't do. There's absolutely no reason to think that current Zoro hits harder than he did in 1010; in fact, 1010 Zoro actively tried to use his full power while Zoro against King simply stopped resisting his sword.

I'm not putting Zoro on the level of Luffy who was making Kaido spit up blood while just in base and G2, the gap gets more ridiculous when you start to factor in things like Boundman which is an enormous boost in raw power, Zoro doesn't compare. Luffy is just that much above his crew, I'd do the same in regards to Sanji vs Luffy in speed

Much like the visual representation of Zoro's attacks are always the same for every big attack he makes.

Zoro scarred Kaidou, but he didn't make him fall down. It was a purposeful distinction on Oda's part to explicitly put that in the dialogue and contrast it directly with how Luffy's attacks effect him.

In a fantasy manga such as One Piece. Blunt trauma & slash/puncture trauma are not going to be portrayed or have as much repercussions as it does in reality.

Luffy can punch somebody miles away….
Zoro can slice something huge apart but Luffy can bust that object apart & probably destroy. Pre of the object rather than Zoro using the swords functions of slashing & piercing…the damage a sword does can’t be compared to a wrecking ball

I understand where this is coming from.
It really comes down to perspective.

In my opinion, Zoro being disappointed at not knocking Kaido off his feat wasn't to make distinction between what Luffy did later, but to make distinction between what Oden did and what Zoro could manage in 1010.
For me, this is the clear comparison that Oda wanted to make. Because:
- after Oden, Zoro was the first character to give a wound deep enough to permanently scar Kaido. While at the same time, Oda wanted to convey to readers that, even though Zoro scarred Kaido, it wasn't as strong as Oden's attack which managed to scar Kaido and knock him down.
- both are sword users.
- the narrative constantly comparing Zoro and Oden


Blunt force has a much easier time knocking someone off their feet, than piercing/high-pressure damage.
It's hard to make comparisons between them.
When you cut someone with a sword (but not deep enough), he'll remain standing. When you hit someone with a club or kick him, he gets knocked down. Which actually did more damage? It takes more info to measure - like how deep was the cut, how much damage to bones/organs did the kick/club-attack do etc

Knocking Kaido off his feet was something Luffy could do in beginning of Wano, when he did zero damage, and in beginning of raid with his advanced armament.
I hope we can agree that 1010 Zoro hits harder than both these versions of Luffy

 

[Pirate Queen]

Current Zoro has higher attack damage than all versions of Luffy except the one that has Advanced CoC.

 

[really_jonny]

Being sarcastic doesn't make your points more solid

It may seem to have been sarcastic, but by your guys logic it is possible to seriously argue all this.
No kidding, because if Luffy is physically faster, has Advanced Kenbunshoku, his attacks in base form with Haoshoku are stronger than Zoro's most powerful blow, Luffy would actually beat Zoro in moments and with a single attack.

 

[JStackz26]

Sanji is stronger than Jinbe, and the gap is significant.
Sanji prior to Germa bio awakening? Maybe Jinbe was stronger than that version of Sanji. Current Sanji? No way.

Sanji was basically playing with the upper hand against Queen. And only had one attack to fear from Queen.

 

[XXGenesis]

What stats would you guys give Sanji?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Category	Luffy	Yamato	Zoro	Sanji
Power	10	8.5	8	7
Speed	9.5	8	6	10
Durability	9	8.5	8	9
Stamina	10	8	8	6
Skill	9	9	10	8
Haki	9.5	9	8.5	7
Total	57	51	48.5	47

 

[really_jonny]

Why does everyone put Luffy with less skill? What do you consider skill? Skill for me is the variety of techniques and how difficult it is for the enemy to dodge them, are the offensive and defensive techniques possess.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Why does everyone put Luffy with less skill? What do you consider skill? Skill for me is the variety of techniques and how difficult it is for the enemy to dodge them, are the offensive and defensive techniques you possess.

I'm equating skill to fighting style. So because Luffy, as of me making this poll, hasn't awakened, I put him at 9.

I think Zoro is as skilled with swordsmanship as he is going to get so I have him maxed out with a 10. I guess he could be a 9 because he hasn't forged a black blade but I don't think forging a black blade has to do with how well he fights with a sword so this is subject to change once we find that out

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[XXGenesis]

What did I even mean when Made Skill/Ability an option?? The characters way of combat essentially. Luffy Gomu Gomu, Zoro Swordsmanship, Sanji Leg Martial arts, Usopp Sniper, etc….In terms of these abilities how skillful are the characters with them

Skill is the expertise acquired by learning.
Ex. G2, G3, G4 are skills Luffy has developed for DF, Sanji using his new genes & Haki for new attack is a skill…..

 

[Qenjin]

I know it's too early but here is my go on top 5(from all who showed powers):

1.Luffy g5
2. Kaidou/Wb/roger
3. BM/akainu/oden
4. Katakuri/aokiji
5. Law/kidd/doflamingo
Wildcard: blackbeard

 

[grey matter]

What stats would you guys give Sanji?

If Luffy's stats are normalized to 10, then for Sanji.

Attack power: 6
Durability: 7
CQC/defense: 7
Pure Speed: 9
Attack speed/Blitz speed: 8
Stamina: 5

Haki:
Observation Haki: 9
Armament haki: 4
Conqueror's haki: 0

 

[aberick]

I know it's too early but here is my go on top 5(from all who showed powers):

1.Luffy g5
2. Kaidou/Wb/roger
3. BM/akainu/oden
4. Katakuri/aokiji
5. Law/kidd/doflamingo
Wildcard: blackbeard

agree, i think now luffy should be the strongest pirate ever, maybe only imu can put a fight, having in mind that he probably has more than 800 years alive, the guy must be so strong and broken...

 

[Pirate Queen]

I know it's too early but here is my go on top 5(from all who showed powers):

1.Luffy g5
2. Kaidou/Wb/roger
3. BM/akainu/oden
4. Katakuri/aokiji
5. Law/kidd/doflamingo
Wildcard: blackbeard

That's insane that you have Luffy Top 1..... I love it