One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[kkck]

Ah, that gave me an idea for S-gecko's potential devil fruit (since it's not necessarily the case that vegapunk had access to moria's blood to replicate the shadow ability)> SJW's fruit. And give s-gecko an alternative to shadow asgard. it's a bit lackluster tbh but I would argue that also fits for moria as a shichibukai.

 

[Fox666]

(since it's not necessarily the case that vegapunk had access to moria's blood to replicate the shadow ability)

What body fluids Moriah left behind for Vegapunk making a clone of him?

 

[hokageji]

recovered from Marinfold or before...

 

[kkck]

What body fluids Moriah left behind for Vegapunk making a clone of him?

Ah, fair point. The circumstances are quite different from jinbe or mihawk who lack devil fruits altogether. Then the only mystery left would be crocodile's logia ability which vegapunk simply can't replicate unless there's some other shenanigan at play. Like him not being able to replicate an ability but if he clones a person he also gets the ability.

 

[Fox666]

Ah, fair point. The circumstances are quite different from jinbe or mihawk who lack devil fruits altogether. Then the only mystery left would be crocodile's logia ability which vegapunk simply can't replicate unless there's some other shenanigan at play. Like him not being able to replicate an ability but if he clones a person he also gets the ability.

S-Shark and S-Hawk abilities were super obvious, shouldn't be hard to guess S-Croc

We have basically 2 options for S-Croc:

 

[kkck]

S-Shark and S-Hawk abilities were super obvious, shouldn't be hard to guess S-Croc

We have basically 2 options for S-Croc:

Out of those I considered the poison fruit but IMO it doesn't exactly fit. It'd definitely be an insanely powerful fruit for any seraphim to have. I don't think the rust fruit is compatible with crocodile's abilities. His sand can suck the water out of living things. I would argue the best fit for crocodile remains pica's fruit.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Out of those I considered the poison fruit but IMO it doesn't exactly fit. It'd definitely be an insanely powerful fruit for any seraphim to have. I don't think the rust fruit is compatible with crocodile's abilities. His sand can suck the water out of living things. I would argue the best fit for crocodile remains pica's fruit.

To be fair the rust fruit can also rust people too. The guy was rusting Zoro so would fit the theme to an extent. Personally I think the poison fruit is the best fit. And as for overpowered we already have S-Snake so would be okay to do.

 

[kkck]

To be fair the rust fruit can also rust people too. The guy was rusting Zoro so would fit the theme to an extent. Personally I think the poison fruit is the best fit. And as for overpowered we already have S-Snake so would be okay to do.

It can? I recall it evaporating zoro's sword but I don't recall an instance of it being used against a human. I don't think shu has appeared since ennies lobby using his ability at least.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

It can? I recall it evaporating zoro's sword but I don't recall an instance of it being used against a human. I don't think shu has appeared since ennies lobby using his ability at least.

Looked into it and it was anime only. My b. In that case I'm going all in on the doku doku fruit.

 

[HereNThere]

I think S-Gecko has a better shot of getting the poison fruit than S-Croc.

S-Croc could potentially get a completely new DF instead of a pre-existing ability.

 

[Pirate Queen]

For S Crocodile I'm going with Pika's fruit

 

[Fox666]

Out of those I considered the poison fruit but IMO it doesn't exactly fit. It'd definitely be an insanely powerful fruit for any seraphim to have. I don't think the rust fruit is compatible with crocodile's abilities. His sand can suck the water out of living things. I would argue the best fit for crocodile remains pica's fruit.

I don't see any connection with Pica's fruit

Rust matches Crocodile's dry ability

Poison matches the poison on his hook

 

[kkck]

I don't see any connection with Pica's fruit

Rust matches Crocodile's dry ability

Poison matches the poison on his hook

No? Sand, rock? Pica's fruit to some extent would allow s-crocodile to work as an off logia on account of his body being hidden. It wouldn't be able to replicate crocodile's fighting style exactly but rock blades and such should be viable. The only instance of the rust fruit being used so far used direct physical contact to the target... I don't see this being viable unless the rust fruit can be used at a range. At least in terms of mimicking crocodile's fighting style.

 

[albertwv]

I think Imu, the Gorosei, and the Holy Knights have upended One Piece Power scaling. From Enies Lobby onwards, it was kinda hinted the World Government was going to be the final villain, not some pirate or other character. It became more obvious during Reverie Arc part 1 before Wano.
Before the Reverie, I viewed the WG's stronghold being the Navy's Admirals and CP0. Now it seems that the WG has hidden powerhouses that could be Yonko level.
Imu, the 5 Gorosei, the Holy Knights (Figarland at least), plus the Admirals, and maybe the Seraphim.

Which IMO, kinda discredits the rest of OP. Kaido and the Yonko were seen as the pinnacle of the OP world, but now it seems that the WG had strong powerhouses this whole time. While we may not know exactly how strong the WG fighters are, they did manage to hold off Sabo and seem to be threatening.
This makes me believe the WG had the upper hand this whole time agaisnt the Yonko. But somehow Oda portrayed the Yonko as the bigger threat (as a group).
This all started in marineford war, seeing how scared the WG and Marines were in facing WB, ultimately they won though.

Now with the original Yonko down to Shanks and BB maybe posing a threat, the WG seems to have the upper hand (like they always had).
We're getting to the final arc, so I see Oda hyping up and introducing new characters and creating a new power level for everyone else to keep up to. Im thinking he retconned Croco, Hancock, Lucci, Kaku, and a few others so they can keep up with this new power roof that we are about to see.

This doesnt sit well with me. I always liked the Yonko being the most powerfulest beings, especially Kaido, as he was hyped to be the strongest in the world.

 

[Fox666]

I think Imu, the Gorosei, and the Holy Knights have upended One Piece Power scaling. From Enies Lobby onwards, it was kinda hinted the World Government was going to be the final villain, not some pirate or other character. It became more obvious during Reverie Arc part 1 before Wano.
Before the Reverie, I viewed the WG's stronghold being the Navy's Admirals and CP0. Now it seems that the WG has hidden powerhouses that could be Yonko level.
Imu, the 5 Gorosei, the Holy Knights (Figarland at least), plus the Admirals, and maybe the Seraphim.

Most of these are not Yonko level

I don't think Sabo would have escaped from 6 characters stronger than himself, so Saturn shouldn't be a match for Luffy for example

Of course it's hard to measure how strong Sabo is... I also think he got stronger since Dressrosa, and his strength is worth a few billions now

The Seraphim, as of now, had trouble with Zoro or Sanji

The Admirals have only collected losses <__<"

 

[DeadlyBeast]

If anyone is going to be stronger than Yonko level it would be Im. The rest so far seem to be YC+ but where they peak is a complete unknown right now. @Fox666 makes a good point. If Gorosei were even Yonko level fighters and absolutely wanted Sabo dead it would take a great leap to say Sabo escaped them and their stronghold. Could you imagine Sabo escaping from Kaido, Shanks, BM, WB, BB all working together in the same location which just happens to be their base of operations?

 

[kkck]

Most of these are not Yonko level

I don't think Sabo would have escaped from 6 characters stronger than himself, so Saturn shouldn't be a match for Luffy for example

Of course it's hard to measure how strong Sabo is... I also think he got stronger since Dressrosa, and his strength is worth a few billions now

The Seraphim, as of now, had trouble with Zoro or Sanji

The Admirals have only collected losses <__<"

Back at sambaody the supernova managed to escape kizaru... Escaping someone is more situational than anything IMO. Escaping someone shouldn't necessarily require you to have power in the same league as the would be captor. Hard to say how strong sabo is, he at least held his own against a possibly hesitant isshou, but the minimum should be admiral level. Sabo should be a decent bit stronger than before if only because he has had a chance to practice with a powerful devil fruit. Add to that him possibly growing stronger over arcs like the strawhats do (speculative but still possible).

The seraphines of course pack a punch but their most distinguishing feature would appear to be their durability which is off the charts. Lunarian physiology compounded with the great strength of the originals along with potential cyborg enhancements... S-hawk specifically has the supa fruit which gives him an iron body on top of that. In terms of overall fighting capability so far it doesn't appear any of the seraphines can trade blows with luffy, zoro, sanji or lucci for instance but they can simply eat their attacks, stand up seemingly unaffected and respond with their not insignificant base attack power and perhaps more worryingly with lasers (which seem to break power level tiers) and deadly devil fruits abilities. They are pretty much punching bags with guns.

 

[albertwv]

Although i may not like it and it is still not confirmed, but I see the Gorosei being near yonko level, just because of the way the story is progressing. I feel Oda is giving everybody higher power levels so they can be relevant.
Sabo escaping them makes sense. Sabo is YC1 maybe and every YC1 can escape a Yonko.

I rreally hope that im wrong and that the gorosei and figarland arent yonko level.

 

[kkck]

All the gorosei being yonko level fighters sounds like a stretch to me. How is it even possible to oppose a force like that? Taking down kaido alone required the effort of the scabbards, then multiple supernova and multiple consecutive BS powerups for luffy across an insanely long fight. Taking down big mom required multiple supernova, BS powerups and awakenings and then not even intentionally throwing her into an erupting volcano. Among the yonko crews outside of captains the only people who even somewhat register for proper yonko level fighters are marco, zoro and probably beckham considering his hype. Katakuri, king and everyone else are largely ignored by yonko level fighters. Shanks still one shot kid who had his role to play in taking down big mom and BB ultimately defeated lawl, albeit not as one sidedly as shanks defeated kid apparently. The most likely scenario is that the gorosei have varyond strength levels and the stronger ones perhaps hit the admiral tier. Assuming imu is stronger than them it's not that insane an stretch that he is actually a yonko level fighter.

 

[Fox666]

S-hawk specifically has the supa fruit which gives him an iron body on top of that.

S-Hawk's body is naturally stronger than steel

Turning it into steel actually makes him more vulnerable