Final time I'll be responding to this stuff since you keep tagging me.
I never said start of Wano Luffy >> Luffy why drew with Katakuri. They are around same level, with start of Wano Luffy being a bit stronger due to passive growth.
What I said was post Udon Luffy (i.e rooftop Luffy/start of raid Luffy) >> Luffy who drew with Katakuri.
This Luffy trained hard for about a month, has armament haki on a completely different level (which also translates to...G4 whose tension and hence physical stats is derived from armament haki), practiced future sight a lot with gifters and headliners, had base training for days when put in sea Stone.
This version of Luffy is far stronger than pre Udon Luffy ACROSS THE BOARD. Stronger, faster, better haki, hits harder. Post Udon Luffy will need mid diff to defeat pre Udon Luffy.
So Luffy fighting a bunch of fodders in Udon made him much faster while Luffy fighting Kaido pushing his body to the limit did not make his Egghead version>>his version who fought Kaido that doesn't make sense.
Why would fighting a bunch of fodders in Udon made Luffy that much faster while after pushing his body to the limit fighting Kaido did not make him much faster in Egghead than his Wano version? Fighting a bunch of fodders in Udon improved base Luffy stats much more than fighting Kaido pushing his body to the limit?
If fighting a bunch of fodders made post Udon Luffy much faster than pre Udon Luffy then fighting Kaido pushing his body to the limit made Egghead Luffy even much faster than rooftop Luffy.
"Base training for days with sea stone"
This is a massive reach. You are not saying something from the manga. You are just making an entire different manga at this rate. Queen released the sea stone from Luffy's hands. Luffy only fought Daifugo and a bunch of fodders using sea stone in 1 day only. For the rest of his days in Udon, Luffy trained to unlock internal destruction and barrier haki while fighting a bunch of fodders. Luffy did not use sea stone during those fights.
Why would using Future Sight on fodders improve Luffy Future Sight? By that argument, Luffy used a lot of CoA, CoO, advCoC against Kaido? Egghead Luffy advCoC, CoO and CoA were much higher than Wano Luffy advCoC, CoA and CoO which makes Egghead Luffy>>>Wano Luffy.
You have nothing to base this on. The only thing you want is to make Snakeman Luffy that blitzed Kaido to have much better CoO and speed than WCI Snakeman so Katakuri remains fodder to Kaido.
If Luffy improved his CoO, he should have noticed which one Kizaru's clone was fake (Katakuri noticed which Luffy was real among Luffy clones that came out of Wedding Cake).
If Luffy improved his CoO, he should have seen into the future that Lucci would stab Sentomaru. Katakuri saw into the future that assassins tried to kill Bege.
There's no statement that Luffy improved his CoO post Udon. If using Future Sight a lot on fodders improved his Future Sight then you should agree that Luffy using Future Sight and armament a lot on Kaido improved his Future Sight and armament which makes Egghead Luffy>>>Wano Luffy because Egghead Luffy had better Future Sight and armament.
"Practicing his Future Sight a lot on fodder"
What kind of manga are you reading? Luffy only used Future Sight to help Hyo beat those Beast Pirates fodders. After that there's no evidence that Luffy used Future Sight again. The only thing Luffy did after that was training to learn barrier haki and internal destruction. You just invented some new headcannon that Luffy had been training his Future Sight for weeks by using it against fodders. Even in the training montage Luffy training was learning to use internal destruction.
Also 0 basis Luffy CoA was stronger after Udon. The only thing he did was learning how to flow his haki to his hands to use barrier haki and internal destruction. It doesn't require him to improve his haki. Boa sisters had fodder armament haki yet they learnt barrier haki.
Future Sight is the only advanced haki that requires the users to improve their CoO to be learnt. Barrier haki and internal destruction don't require that. The users only need to learn how to flow haki into their hands to use those advanced hakis.
Oda has made it clear and obvious, when there is a substantial jump in power level post timeskip.
No he didn't you just made it up. Oda made it clear the reason rooftop base Luffy dodged Thunder Bagua was due to using Future Sight while act 1 Luffy cannot dodge Thunder Bagua because act 1 Luffy did not use Future Sight. Him on the rooftop being surprised that with Future Sight he still got hit by Thunder Bagua was a clear evident that rooftop was the first time he used Future Sight. This is evident in chapter 1042 that Luffy in Boundman form a much faster form cannot dodge Thunder Bagua from weakened Kaido mirroring act 1.
Between Dresrossa/start of WCI and end of WCI, Luffy got a major powerup - future sight.
His CoO got a massive upgrade not his base stats. So saying post Udon Luffy is much faster than pre Udon Luffy is a massive headcannon.
Between pre Udon and post Udon, Luffy got a major powerup - mainly armament haki, but generally across the board stats improvement due to heavy training.
Since when weight training improves base stats significantly? Is this your new headcannon? Majority of Zoro's base stats power up was due to him fighting strong opponents pushing his body to the limit. Weight training barely improves his base stats.
These base stats improvement is a massive headcannon you have been pushing which have been debunked when chapter 1042 Luffy still got blitzed by Thunder Bagua mirroring act 1 when Boundman Luffy cannot use Future Sight since he was panicked had to hurry he had to beat Kaido before Gear 4 time limit ran out.
It's hypocritical to say base Luffy stats improved from pre Udon to post Udon so Snakeman Luffy feats blitzing Kaido cannot be given to Katakuri while base stats Luffy from Dressrosa to WCI did not improve so you can make arguments how Katakuri or Cracker is close to Doflamingo.
Also like I said fighting a bunch of fodders made Luffy much faster from pre Udon to post Udon while fighting Kaido pushing his body to the brink did not make Luffy much faster from Wano to Egghead doesn't make sense.
Between post Udon/rooftop and 1010 Luffy got a major powerup - advanced conquerors haki.
No base stats power up. Luffy only learnt how to coat his fists with CoC.
Between 1010 and 1026, Luffy got a major powerup - haki bloom of advanced conquerors haki resulting in a level capable of "sky splitting"
He got better with using advCoC therefore the sky split. No base stats improvement.
Between 1026 and 1044, Luffy got a major powerup - DF Awakening
Still no base stats improvement.
This is very clear and easily noticable if you put down the agenda glasses for a moment and read objectively.
If you put down agenda then there objectively there is no reason why fighting a bunch of fodders in Udon improved base Luffy stats significantly while fighting Kaido did not make base stats Luffy improved significantly from Wano to Egghead.
It's hypocritical to say base Luffy stats improved from pre Udon to post Udon so Snakeman Luffy feats blitzing Kaido cannot be given to Katakuri while there's no base stats improvement of Luffy from Dressrosa to WCI.
Egghead Luffy is only a bit stronger than the Luffy that fought Kaido at the end. Due to passive growth and maybe a bit better mastery of Awakening. Oda has not shown us anything indicative of a major powerup for Luffy, since finale of fight against Kaido.
So post Udon Luffy had better Future Sight because he used that a lot against fodders in Udon (you're lying btw since Luffy only used Future Sight to help Hyo beat Beats Pirates fodders solo no evidence he used Future Sight again after that) while Egghead Luffy is only a bit stronger than Wano Luffy despite Luffy used dozen of Future Sight, advCoA, advCoC against Kaido.
Oda also didn't use any indicative that postUdon Luffy had better Future Sight and speed but here you are making a bunch of baseless assumptions that fighting a bunch of fodders and lifting weight made Luffy much faster. Using Future Sight on fodders improved Luffy Future Sight.
Why would Egghead Luffy only be a bit faster than Wano Luffy while post Udon Luffy is much faster than pre Udon Luffy?
Post Udon Luffy fought a bunch of fodders in Udon. Why should that made base Luffy stats improved significantly?
While Egghead Luffy already fought Kaido pushing his body to the limit which logically should make base stats Luffy improved much further.
Kizaru was keeping up with Gear 5 Luffy who beat Kaido so logically by your own arguments Kizaru should be>Kaido just like Kaido can low diff Katakuri because Kaido low diff Luffy who beat Katakuri.
Kizaru had a draw with someone who beat Kaido so if you're consistent with what you said, you are contradicting yourself by saying Kizaru<Kaido. It should be Kizaru=Gear 5>Kaido.
What's your thought on this? I remember you said Kaido low diffs Katakuri because in your mind, Kaido low diffed Luffy who beat Katakuri (when in fact Kaido low diffed non FS Boundman Luffy the same mode that lost to Cracker)
Why not use the same energy to say Kizaru had a draw with someone who beat Kaido therefore making Kizaru=Gear 5>Kaido?
What would your excuse be when Marineford Luffy has an extreme diff fight with Akainu? Would you say only in Udon fighting a bunch of fodders and weight training which barely improves Zoro base stats made base Luffy stats improved significantly so Snakeman Luffy feats cannot be attributed to Katakuri while after fighting Kaido in Wano and Kizaru in Egghead, Luffy base stats barely improve so you can push Kaido>admirals?
It's hilarious how base Luffy stats barely improved from Dressrosa to WCi so you can entertain the idea of Doflamingo being above Cracker.
It's hilarious how base Luffy stats barely improve after fighting Kaido pushing his body to his limit so you can entertain the idea of Kaido>admirals.
Somehow base Luffy stats post Udon were much higher than base Luffy stats pre Udon because he lifted some weights and fought some fodders (who even Usopp can beat) so any Snakeman feats blitzing Kaido cannot be attributed to Katakuri.
You just made your own rules when base Luffy stats improved significantly and when base Luffy stats barely improved.
