One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[M3J]

I feel like Sanji would lose to Kizaru, but Zoro would probably beat Lucci if everyone went all out at full health.

 

[kkck]

Current BM is just a giant version of Dadan so wouldn't say she had a bad ending. I'm like what genuinely old woman in OP looks good? He always draws them as either super short, stocky, leathery, or some other negative depiction. Women don't age gracefully in OP (Shaky may be the only exception that I can think of though not sure she is that old).

Edit: Holy shit Shaky is 64 years old! Considering she is from Amazon Lily and followed her heart, things bode well for @Pirate Queen future

I don't think that's necessarily true but it is true a big chunk of them seems to end up half their original height or less. Oda definitely has fun there but it's not too difficult to make a case for bad ending looks in some cases. Dadan is a bit of a lowlife (not evil though) so it's not a character I'd expect to have a good ending look.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

I don't think that's necessarily true but it is true a big chunk of them seems to end up half their original height or less. Oda definitely has fun there but it's not too difficult to make a case for bad ending looks in some cases. Dadan is a bit of a lowlife (not evil though) so it's not a character I'd expect to have a good ending look.

That's true its not an absolute rule but the pattern does hold for most old females turning out looking unattractive compared to male peers of similar age.

 

[grey matter]

I curious about this consensus…What Diff did Zoro have facing Lucci…Mid or High Diff?

Sanji vs Lucci….Mid/High/Extreme??

What tier/rank do you place the Gorosei?

I believe Zoro vs Lucci was Mid diff. He finished the fight instantly when under scrutiny, didn’t sustain any grievous or heavy damage throughout the fight. Yes he had some trouble but still didn’t even use his full power to win.

This matchup I’m seriously curious about. I view Sanji as a YC1 but at the bottom of the list. I believe Sanji can win not however leaving the fight injured.

Gorosei are looking like low Admiral tier. Sujuro just ran across the coast line of egghead and disabled the Pacifista, that’s a mild feat but I like.

Zoro vs Lucci was low-mid diff
Not straight up low diff, since Lucci managed to hold his own against Zoro for a considerable duration.
But once Zoro got serious, he was clearly outmatched. Dodged Lucci's named barrage of attacks casually, and ended the fight with a single named attack. And still no injury (aside from few scratches maybe), , no bandana, and no KoH. Can't go beyond mid diff.

This chapter didn't change it.
Lucci was down to like 20% hp in one named attack (presumably advanced conqueror's). I see some usual downplay Zoro here saying Luffy could make Lucci go unconscious, while Zoro couldn't. Well, Luffy's attacks were in G5, plus Zoro did more damage should be more obvious if we check the state of Lucci post Luffy and compare to post Zoro. The losing consciousness was a clear callback to EL, meant to be very momentary; and Lucci wasn't done there, as we saw him up with just a bandaid in the panel immediately after Luffy and co got out of the rocket or something.

As for Sanji vs Lucci.
I will just say that portrayal won't allow Zoro to low-mid diff Sanji, Oda won't allow that; so I give it to Sanji. Maybe high-extreme diff?


Gorosei are on a spectrum IMO.
I think Mercury, Venus and maybe Mars to be higher end top tiers, compared to say Kaido or Shanks.
While Saturn looks like a bum with regen, at best he's comparable to lower end top tiers like Greenbull/Fuji or old man trio.

 

[IloveYou]

Zoro vs Lucci was low-mid diff
Not straight up low diff, since Lucci managed to hold his own against Zoro for a considerable duration.
But once Zoro got serious, he was clearly outmatched. Dodged Lucci's named barrage of attacks casually, and ended the fight with a single named attack. And still no injury (aside from few scratches maybe), , no bandana, and no KoH. Can't go beyond mid diff.

This chapter didn't change it.
Lucci was down to like 20% hp in one named attack (presumably advanced conqueror's). I see some usual downplay Zoro here saying Luffy could make Lucci go unconscious, while Zoro couldn't. Well, Luffy's attacks were in G5, plus Zoro did more damage should be more obvious if we check the state of Lucci post Luffy and compare to post Zoro. The losing consciousness was a clear callback to EL, meant to be very momentary; and Lucci wasn't done there, as we saw him up with just a bandaid in the panel immediately after Luffy and co got out of the rocket or something.

As for Sanji vs Lucci.
I will just say that portrayal won't allow Zoro to low-mid diff Sanji, Oda won't allow that; so I give it to Sanji. Maybe high-extreme diff?


Gorosei are on a spectrum IMO.
I think Mercury, Venus and maybe Mars to be higher end top tiers, compared to say Kaido or Shanks.
While Saturn looks like a bum with regen, at best he's comparable to lower end top tiers like Greenbull/Fuji or old man trio.

thats wrong comparison

its doesn't matter if luffy attack in gear 5

zoro use adcoc against lucci

luffy use gear 5 without adcoc and internal destruction
just df abilities with one armament hardening'
nika df is not like law awakening ability that have internal ap

zoro put much damage because of adcoc.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Gorosei are on a spectrum IMO.
I think Mercury, Venus and maybe Mars to be higher end top tiers, compared to say Kaido or Shanks.
While Saturn looks like a bum with regen, at best he's comparable to lower end top tiers like Greenbull/Fuji or old man trio.

Ju Peter ain't even worth mentioning, got beheaded and upon recovery immediately got bombed

Honestly without their regen is their best ability. The haki feat this chapter is first thing we've seen that could put them in Kaido or Shanks territory.

On separate note with what we are seeing of Dorry & Brogy these past couple of chapters, could they have taken care of Kid pirates by themselves? Of course this should include their whole crew if needed so Giant Warrior Pirates vs Kid Pirates in worst case scenario. At the moment I'd give them a mid to potentially low diff win over Kid Pirates. Thoughts?

 

[Pirate Queen]

thats wrong comparison

its doesn't matter if luffy attack in gear 5

zoro use adcoc against lucci

luffy use gear 5 without adcoc and internal destruction
just df abilities with one armament hardening'
nika df is not like law awakening ability that have internal ap

zoro put much damage because of adcoc.

Zoro vs Lucci was definitely a high diff. Especially with this latest chapter revealing Lucci wasn't even "one shot" like his fans were so excited about.

And I agree, Luffy playing around in Gear 5 vs Lucci while Zoro had exhausted 1 use of KoH + ACoC to even get to where he was at last chapter.

 

[grey matter]

Ju Peter ain't even worth mentioning, got beheaded and upon recovery immediately got bombed

Honestly without their regen is their best ability. The haki feat this chapter is first thing we've seen that could put them in Kaido or Shanks territory.

On separate note with what we are seeing of Dorry & Brogy these past couple of chapters, could they have taken care of Kid pirates by themselves? Of course this should include their whole crew if needed so Giant Warrior Pirates vs Kid Pirates in worst case scenario. At the moment I'd give them a mid to potentially low diff win over Kid Pirates. Thoughts?

Yeah lol, dude was just mid. Not horribly underwhelming like Saturn for a namedrop in hall of shame. But not looking impressive like Mercury/Venus/Mars. I'll just reserve my judgement.

Anyway, the way Gorosei is treated so far SCREAMS to me that Oda is having them sandbagging for the sake of plot. Because we have enough evidence that they are not just regen abusers, with Mercury giving us a strong haki feat, Venus showing some of the best mobility and attack speed feats in the verse, with Mars destroying the barrier (which has been hyped) through seemingly sheer physical power and haki.

It suggests that they don't need the regen, since they have more than enough haki to easily tank stuff like giants slash, Franky's laser, etc. It is moreso a suggestive that they are just not using any haki for defence at all, since they have regen and hence don't need to rely on haki for protection.


Anyway, coming to Dorry/Broggy, I am fairly certain they got retconned.
The portrayal they have now suggests IMO, that they are at least comparable to standard 1st commanders like King or Marco. I think they can probably defeat Kid pirates by themselves, but definitely not low diff or anything. Kid himself is comparable to King or Marco, and Killer likely comparable to say Queen.

thats wrong comparison

its doesn't matter if luffy attack in gear 5

zoro use adcoc against lucci

luffy use gear 5 without adcoc and internal destruction
just df abilities with one armament hardening'
nika df is not like law awakening ability that have internal ap

zoro put much damage because of adcoc.

Who says Luffy didn't use internal destruction? He probably used it.
We know Lucci uses advanced armament/internal destruction, Luffy using his own to counter it makes sense.

And what is even your point?
My point was that Zoro did more damage, because I kept seeing posts in threads how Luffy knocking down Lucci while Zoro didn't was used to downplay Zoro. Same story of Zoro scarring Kaido getting downplayed back in the days.
If you think that Zoro did more damage than Luffy on Lucci, then we are at least in agreement on that front.

Luffy used G5, his most taxing mode. Only thing he restrained is using advanced conqueror's haki (presumably) and gigantification. Even then he got up in the time the rocket reached destination, with little signs of damage.
Zoro vs Lucci was a stall match, intended by Oda to have Zoro busy, where Zoro was using 2 swords for the most part, and some part where he used overflowing advanced armament.
The moment Sanji pissed off Zoro and had him be serious, we saw Zoro casually dodge Lucci's barrage of attacks, and reduce him to like 20% hp with a single attack of (presumably) advanced conqueror's - no KoH, no bandana, no high end move. While taking little to no damage in the entire fight. Arguing this is anywhere beyond mid diff is nonsensical

Just to add. My intention was not to argue Zoro is somehow on Luffy's level, if that is what you are thinking. Obviously Luffy is stronger, likely a tier above him, Zoro is at best comparable to G4 Luffy.
My post is just addressing the downplays Zoro keeps getting in this forum.

Just a question. What diff was Zoro vs Lucci?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro vs Monet where he stared at her and she cried = Neg diff

Zoro winning effortlessly vs Hyozou = low diff
Zoro

Zoro having small difficulty but gain advantage after brief altercations with Pica in Dressrosa or Killer in Wano = Mid diff

Zoro vs Lucci, a long altercation in which he used his strongest form KoH, all 3 swords, and ACoC = High diff

Zoro vs King, where he was nearly dying = extreme diff

It seems more than anything Zoro struggling with Lucci is breaking through whatever cognitive dissonance was keeping Zoro as high as he was. In the end he is likely the strongest YC1 outside of Katakuri(debatable)/Beckman and is a Top 15 ACTIVE pirate currently. Maybe even top 10.

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I even have to begrudgingly put Zoro above even Hancock at this point unless we see more from her

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During this break we should do a Top 15 of active Pirates (not dead/captured)

I'll go first:

1.Shanks
2.Luffy
3.Blackbeard
4. Aokiji
5. Mihawk
6.Beckman
7. Marco
8. Katakuri
9. Zoro
10. Hancock
11. Rayleigh
12. Law
13. Shiryu
14.Yamamoto
15. Sanji

 

[IloveYou]

Yeah lol, dude was just mid. Not horribly underwhelming like Saturn for a namedrop in hall of shame. But not looking impressive like Mercury/Venus/Mars. I'll just reserve my judgement.

Anyway, the way Gorosei is treated so far SCREAMS to me that Oda is having them sandbagging for the sake of plot. Because we have enough evidence that they are not just regen abusers, with Mercury giving us a strong haki feat, Venus showing some of the best mobility and attack speed feats in the verse, with Mars destroying the barrier (which has been hyped) through seemingly sheer physical power and haki.

It suggests that they don't need the regen, since they have more than enough haki to easily tank stuff like giants slash, Franky's laser, etc. It is moreso a suggestive that they are just not using any haki for defence at all, since they have regen and hence don't need to rely on haki for protection.


Anyway, coming to Dorry/Broggy, I am fairly certain they got retconned.
The portrayal they have now suggests IMO, that they are at least comparable to standard 1st commanders like King or Marco. I think they can probably defeat Kid pirates by themselves, but definitely not low diff or anything. Kid himself is comparable to King or Marco, and Killer likely comparable to say Queen.



Who says Luffy didn't use internal destruction? He probably used it.
We know Lucci uses advanced armament/internal destruction, Luffy using his own to counter it makes sense.

And what is even your point?
My point was that Zoro did more damage, because I kept seeing posts in threads how Luffy knocking down Lucci while Zoro didn't was used to downplay Zoro. Same story of Zoro scarring Kaido getting downplayed back in the days.
If you think that Zoro did more damage than Luffy on Lucci, then we are at least in agreement on that front.

Luffy used G5, his most taxing mode. Only thing he restrained is using advanced conqueror's haki (presumably) and gigantification. Even then he got up in the time the rocket reached destination, with little signs of damage.
Zoro vs Lucci was a stall match, intended by Oda to have Zoro busy, where Zoro was using 2 swords for the most part, and some part where he used overflowing advanced armament.
The moment Sanji pissed off Zoro and had him be serious, we saw Zoro casually dodge Lucci's barrage of attacks, and reduce him to like 20% hp with a single attack of (presumably) advanced conqueror's - no KoH, no bandana, no high end move. While taking little to no damage in the entire fight. Arguing this is anywhere beyond mid diff is nonsensical

Just to add. My intention was not to argue Zoro is somehow on Luffy's level, if that is what you are thinking. Obviously Luffy is stronger, likely a tier above him, Zoro is at best comparable to G4 Luffy.
My post is just addressing the downplays Zoro keeps getting in this forum.

Just a question. What diff was Zoro vs Lucci?

my point is you can't compare it as zoro have more damage because of adcoc

how did you know luffy using internal destruction when he only use one hardening against lucci lol

 

[grey matter]

my point is you can't compare it as zoro have more damage because of adcoc

how did you know luffy using internal destruction when he only use one hardening against lucci lol

If you agree Zoro's attack did more damage, why even quote me lol? We are then in agreement on the main point of my original post, because there are users here who even deny that.

Stuff aside from that is just nitpicking on specifics, but let's go over them anyway.

How do you know Luffy didn't use internal destruction though?
The visuals at this point are identical to regular armament. Should Luffy be yelling "I am using internal destruction" ? What visuals of internal destruction did Luffy have against Kaido?


Here is the thing, objective answer is that we don't know with certainty who is using what haki.
Even for advanced conqueror's, it is hard to know when a character is using it. Because Loda has lightning for everything. Check out this video:

There used to be one visual that could distinguish advanced conqueror's from the rest - the "gap" thing, but Oda used it only for 1010 and 1011, and then just decided it's too much pain and abandoned it lol

At this point, we just use headcanon (lightning length, thickness, shape/trail, divergent/convergent etc) to deduce whether attacks are advanced conqueror's, advanced armament 2 (internal destruction), advanced armament 1 (barrier), or just regular armament haki.

Aside from visuals. If we go by context that Lucci uses advanced armament, it makes sense that Luffy and Zoro at least used those in their clashes with him to counteract Lucci's own.
Luffy's G5 attacks, by default are likely internal destruction anyway even aside from haki, because it changes the enemy's own body's shape upon contact and deals damage.
We can use context to assume that Zoro used advanced conqueror's on Lucci, because we see Lucci has strong (advanced) armament haki that can clash with Luffy's and Zoro's. So to get Lucci to like 20% hp with a single move, it makes more sense that it's advanced conqueror's.

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Anyway, what diff is Zoro vs Lucci @IloveYou ?

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Zoro vs Monet where he stared at her and she cried = Neg diff

Zoro winning effortlessly vs Hyozou = low diff
Zoro

Zoro having small difficulty but gain advantage after brief altercations with Pica in Dressrosa or Killer in Wano = Mid diff

Zoro vs Lucci, a long altercation in which he used his strongest form KoH, all 3 swords, and ACoC = High diff

Zoro vs King, where he was nearly dying = extreme diff

It seems more than anything Zoro struggling with Lucci is breaking through whatever cognitive dissonance was keeping Zoro as high as he was. In the end he is likely the strongest YC1 outside of Katakuri(debatable)/Beckman and is a Top 15 ACTIVE pirate currently. Maybe even top 10.

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I even have to begrudgingly put Zoro above even Hancock at this point unless we see more from her

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During this break we should do a Top 15 of active Pirates (not dead/captured)

I'll go first:

1.Shanks
2.Luffy
3.Blackbeard
4. Aokiji
5. Mihawk
6.Beckman
7. Rayleigh
8. Katakuri
9. Zoro
10. Hancock
11. Marco
12. Law
13. Shiryu
14.Yamamoto
15. Sanji

The bolded truly means you're serious about these rankings!

I do definitely think Zoro's fight with Lucci was a high diff too at this point. It also goes to show that Lucci likely is a strong match up against all the YC1 we have seen so far since he gave Zoro so much trouble. I think Zoro going from mostly extreme diff in most of his early fights to low diffs in most of the pre-skip fights has made him confusing. He nearly died each fight in Paradise and then went on taking stroll through the park with fights in New World. Seems now he is getting back to old form and will likely have genuine struggle fights going forward.

As for my top 15 active pirates I'd go:

1. Shanks
2. Luffy
3. Blackbeard
4. Mihawk
5. Aokiji
6. Law
7. Dorry & Brogy (together)
8. Beckman
9. Rayleigh
10. Yamato
11. Hancock
12. Zoro
13. Shiryu
14. Sanji
15. Marco

The reason why Sanji makes it over Katakuri for me is I no longer see him losing to any Yonko commander in a serious 1v1 where he has conviction to win.

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Yeah lol, dude was just mid. Not horribly underwhelming like Saturn for a namedrop in hall of shame. But not looking impressive like Mercury/Venus/Mars. I'll just reserve my judgement.

Anyway, the way Gorosei is treated so far SCREAMS to me that Oda is having them sandbagging for the sake of plot. Because we have enough evidence that they are not just regen abusers, with Mercury giving us a strong haki feat, Venus showing some of the best mobility and attack speed feats in the verse, with Mars destroying the barrier (which has been hyped) through seemingly sheer physical power and haki.

It suggests that they don't need the regen, since they have more than enough haki to easily tank stuff like giants slash, Franky's laser, etc. It is moreso a suggestive that they are just not using any haki for defence at all, since they have regen and hence don't need to rely on haki for protection.

The Gorosei definitely seem much more capable than they are being shown but maybe they also don't spend enough time fighting. Its been decades since they left Marijoise so when was the last time they actually had to fight (not counting Sabo)? Even strong people get rusty if they spend it just sitting around. Maybe now they will start training again to prepare for serious fights. Oda can use this as legit excuse if they seem more competent next time.

Anyway, coming to Dorry/Broggy, I am fairly certain they got retconned.
The portrayal they have now suggests IMO, that they are at least comparable to standard 1st commanders like King or Marco. I think they can probably defeat Kid pirates by themselves, but definitely not low diff or anything. Kid himself is comparable to King or Marco, and Killer likely comparable to say Queen.

They were both retconned and underestimated by the fan base. I went back and re-read their original chapters and they honestly were more impressive than most pirates we'd seen leading up to the Marineford war. The only serious injuries they sustained were from each other with the one exception being a bomb exploding inside of Dorry causing internal bleeding/injuries, which he did get back up from not too long after. I think the fact Mr.3 was around made people think he was stronger than them when all he did was trap one in wax that is harder than steel (we've seen plenty of strong people jailed/trapped before so I don't read this negatively). With their current portrayal I definitely think they'd beat Kid pirates too. I think this means Oda is serious about showing Elbaf as a terribly powerful country that WG has just stayed clear of when it comes to trying to take over. They probably are stronger than Wano militarily.

 

[Pirate Queen]

The bolded truly means you're serious about these rankings!

I do definitely think Zoro's fight with Lucci was a high diff too at this point. It also goes to show that Lucci likely is a strong match up against all the YC1 we have seen so far since he gave Zoro so much trouble. I think Zoro going from mostly extreme diff in most of his early fights to low diffs in most of the pre-skip fights has made him confusing. He nearly died each fight in Paradise and then went on taking stroll through the park with fights in New World. Seems now he is getting back to old form and will likely have genuine struggle fights going forward.

As for my top 15 active pirates I'd go:

1. Shanks
2. Luffy
3. Blackbeard
4. Mihawk
5. Aokiji
6. Law
7. Dorry & Brogy (together)
8. Beckman
9. Rayleigh
10. Yamato
11. Hancock
12. Zoro
13. Shiryu
14. Sanji
15. Marco

The reason why Sanji makes it over Katakuri for me is I no longer see him losing to any Yonko commander in a serious 1v1 where he has conviction to win.

Respectable list. Dory and Brogy combined is interesting. I need to see more before I entertain that position tho

 

[XXGenesis]

The break is going to be very interesting . PLZ do a re read or glance over the last 30 chapters.it’s sure to change & give a better perspective. Giving the many breaks in between chapters, Kuma’s Backstory , All the recaps of events & story telling since reaching Egghead….

Heart Pirates Vs BBP
Kid Pirates vs Shanks
Garps raid on Pirate Island
Sabo’s Reverie Recap/ Aftermath of Reverie
The Whole Egghead Plot set in motion by York.


**Current Topic is Zoro vs Lucci.

*The fandom has Underestimated Lucci..I can admit that for myself.

* Zoro vs Lucci is not an important fight in this arc, The fight gets no panel time & when it did ODA was prolonging the fight, even the fight’s banter admits it being dragged out but can finished if felt like….lol. Final Cut back, The fight is ended like every knew it could…The motivations for not ending it and reason for why it ended is very contrived.

So when taking into account ODA offscreen the fight & stalled its conclusion for plot purposes. Also minus all the flashbacks. Zoro hasn’t been taking all that long with this fight, as if he was struggling. Literally the reasons for him not ending the fight and reasoning for why he ended is Just LODA; Contrived plot purposes.

It was a Mid Diff.
Lol laughing at myself also, we really thought Zoro is just going to Low Diff YC1, just because he has AdCoC which gives him Admiral lv attack potency.

The big thing is Zoro does not have AdCoC for long durations. It’s a skill he hasn’t mastered, if he uses it it’s going to drain his stamina.

No Lucci did not give Zoro a high Diff. We didn't see Lucci landing any attacks. Its conclusion Lucci actually got embarrassed. So plot aside, Zoro could make the fight look like more of a Low diff.

Either Way Lucci is a decent YC1 lv character., with decent endurance & stamina as an awakened Zoan.

Imo Sanji would have High Diff fight, given above mentioned attributes of Lucci, & Sanji’s attack potency always coming into question.

 

[I Am Atomic]

I am with the people who agrees on mid diff. Zoro took no damage from the fight. When he got serious, he ended the fight. Disrespected Lucci by casually dodging his named attack.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Either the fight was a high diff fight or you think Zoro is incompetent and has poor ability to help his crew out in crucial situations where they needed and depend on him.

It's one or the other.

Was Zoro wasting time or did he need to wear Lucci down enough to where his final attack did him in? (And Lucci wasn't even done with the fight. It took Jinbei to truly end the fight)

 

[M3J]

Ju Peter ain't even worth mentioning, got beheaded and upon recovery immediately got bombed

Honestly without their regen is their best ability. The haki feat this chapter is first thing we've seen that could put them in Kaido or Shanks territory.

On separate note with what we are seeing of Dorry & Brogy these past couple of chapters, could they have taken care of Kid pirates by themselves? Of course this should include their whole crew if needed so Giant Warrior Pirates vs Kid Pirates in worst case scenario. At the moment I'd give them a mid to potentially low diff win over Kid Pirates. Thoughts?

But it also begs the question: how would they fare if they weren't immortal or knew they could be killed like normal humans?

Zoro winning effortlessly vs Hyozou = low diff
Zoro

I see the same if he fought Hodi. Didn't he one-shot Hodi until Hodi used drugs and lost only because of the underwater disadvantage?

 

[Pirate Queen]

But it also begs the question: how would they fare if they weren't immortal or knew they could be killed like normal humans?



I see the same if he fought Hodi. Didn't he one-shot Hodi until Hodi used drugs and lost only because of the underwater disadvantage?

Hodi was a low diff for Zoro

 

[M3J]

at worst, yeah. Even drugged up Hodi would have likely lost to Zoro since swords are >>>

 

[Pirate Queen]

at worst, yeah. Even drugged up Hodi would have likely lost to Zoro since swords are >>>

Ye

at worst, yeah. Even drugged up Hodi would have likely lost to Zoro since swords are >>>

Yeah I'm confused why Oda just didn't make Hodi stronger. He never seemed threatening the entire arc. Great design tho (once drugged up)